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[TheThunder]

man i remember back in the day when i had to close all other programs before i play a game. now i have photoshop, thunderbird, 40 tabs of chrome open and i don't give a fuck.

Not only did I do that, but also I restarted my pc every single time I wanted to play and had blank as a desktop backround AND ran with the windows 95 theme, all just to squeeze whatever I can from my barley adequate rig. Battlefield 2 still ran like shit, but I had the best gaming moments during that time.

 

[_machine]

Ouch, I've been doing still pretty well with my trusty 5850, but it seems to be the bare minimum in Watch Dogs. It'll probably run on a worse GPU, but I'm slightly scared about my framerate and maybe it's telling me to pony up and upgrade it sometime soon.

 

[Gbraga]

The GTX 460 minimum requirement is actually pretty impressive if the PC version is next gen only. I'd like to see it scale all the way down to PS360 levels to more people could enjoy it, but still, very impressed.

 

[Ricerocket]

My cpu seems like it's sitting at recommended but my GPU is at minimum so I'm torn. I kinda want to see how next gen consoles will raise the bar for PC gaming before I want to pick up a new video card for basically the start of next gen and regret it. Also the TrueAudio thing from AMD has my interest.

i5-2500k @ 4.5Ghz
8GB
Nvidia GTX 470

 

[EloquentM]

Well I'll just by some more ram, but instead of releasing a game targeted at 700-1000$ builds (let's face it, to even get the minimum requirements you have to pay atleast 600-700$), why not target it for a bigger price range? Like, if I were to buy a 500$ PC today I should be able to play the newest games on minimum specs. Thats not really the case here I'm afraid. (Okay maybe it works if you don't meet the minimum reqs, but we don't know that)

Your wishes are torn to shreds when you begin to realize that core development teams aren't developing for 7 year old systems anymore. Which is why I was saying PC gamers got what they wanted. Everyone complained but was still comfortable with what they had. Now it's a matter of put up or shut up. Next gen consoles may not be more powerful than PCs but they still outclass current gen. This is still a new generation. This is really no different than any gen before that.

 

[Redx508]

And run it worse?

Another over reaction thread.

Your i5's are going to be more than enough people.

I pre order the PS4 Watch Dogs Bundle but if the ps4 ver is that bad ill get it on pc will need to wait for digital foundry

 

[thehypocrite]

PC gamers holding next gen back.

Spoiler

I keed.......maybe

 

[The Insane Dufresne]

Just built a PC with Haswell.... might as well throw that useless, underpowered piece of shit away....

 

[derExperte]

Did Ubisoft fix AC3? on pc that game ran bad day1

Nope and it was extremely CPU limited. So worrying about WD not being optimized particularly well isn't all that unreasonable. Didn't matter what processor you threw at AC3, it always could dip below 60fps with low settings for no apparent reason. I'll believe that Ubisoft made a good engine that scales with more cores if I see it, though the new consoles may have forced them to do it.

Just built a PC with Haswell.... might as well throw that useless underpowered piece of shit away....

That's the only way. The sooner you get rid of it, the better. Don't even wait for benchmarks.

 

[mattiewheels]

'Lazy' and 'unoptimized' are gonna get shouted a lot in the next few months, aren't they? Nails on a chalkboard, man.

 

[K.Jack]

Can my MSI GT60 handle this game?

Laptop gamer I know...

You have the 770M or 780M?

 

[gblues]

Ubi devs smoking crack.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc

Just over 44% of Steam users have 4+ core systems.
About the same % have 6GB+ of RAM.
44-57% have 1024 or more VRAM (depends on if "other" is less than 1024 or more than)
only 2% of Steam users are using a DX11-class GPU + OS combo

Now, for comparison sake, Skyrim sold about 11 million units total and 14% of those were on PC, about 1.5 million total.

There are around 54 million Steam users (as of 12/2012, at least). 2% of that is about 1,080,000 users.

That means that even if absolutely everybody with a PC that meets the stated minimum requirements buys a copy of the game, the best Ubisoft can hope for is 2/3 of the volume that Skyrim did across the last two years.

Ubisoft done fucked up.

 

[LCGeek]

'Lazy' and 'unoptimized' are gonna get shouted a lot in the next few months, aren't they? Nails on a chalkboard, man.

Lazy is one damning thing to say especially with no proof.

Unoptimized is something we can judge and analyze. If you're crowd doesn't like the word tuff. Devs can no longer hide behind their bs rhetoric when we can see what a game is doing and how it performs. The game better look something fierce at certain settings for what they are demanding.

 

[MadSexual]

It's probably worth posting this again for the people who missed it last time around:

Note that BF4 is also optimized for 8 threads.

 

[Gbraga]

'Lazy' and 'unoptimized' are gonna get shouted a lot in the next few months, aren't they? Nails on a chalkboard, man.

Yep, definitely. People get way too crazy over the settings names instead of how it actually runs and looks lol

I remember people claiming Crysis 3 was unoptimized because their rig would only get 60fps on medium or whatever and comparing it to something like DmC, even though Crysis 3 on medium was way more intensive than DmC on Ultra with high res textures, anti aliasing and even downsampling from a high res.

DmC does look amazing, but that's mostly due to the art and fantastic IQ you can get with a decent rig, not because it's a graphical showcase.

And I don't know shit about these stuff and I'm always asking about my rig in such threads, but even so people who know way more than me get crazy over stuff they shouldn't.

AC3 in Boston was unoptimized, but that wasn't mentioned in the system requirements, so there really isn't any way to know that now. It is fair not to trust Ubisoft and believe it will be unoptimized though.

It's probably worth posting this again for the people who missed it last time around:



Note that BF4 is also optimized for 8 threads.

Man I really should OC my 3570k as soon as possible. I'm scared it will make my machine way too loud though.

 

[mattiewheels]

Lazy is one damning thing to say especially with no proof.

Unoptimized is something we can judge and analyze. If you're crowd doesn't like the word tuff. Devs can no longer hide behind their bs rhetoric when we can see what a game is doing and how it performs. The game better look something fierce at certain settings for what they are demanding.

Right about that, but this is one of the very first games not held back by a 7 year old system spec, so I would expect them to have us make use of muscles we haven't worked out yet.

 

[Skeff]

Ubi devs smoking crack.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc

Just over 44% of Steam users have 4+ core systems.
About the same % have 6GB+ of RAM.
44-57% have 1024 or more VRAM (depends on if "other" is less than 1024 or more than)
only 2% of Steam users are using a DX11-class GPU + OS combo

Now, for comparison sake, Skyrim sold about 11 million units total and 14% of those were on PC, about 1.5 million total.

There are around 54 million Steam users (as of 12/2012, at least). 2% of that is about 1,080,000 users.

That means that even if absolutely everybody with a PC that meets the stated minimum requirements buys a copy of the game, the best Ubisoft can hope for is 2/3 of the volume that Skyrim did across the last two years.

Ubisoft done fucked up.

Well, With Skyrim selling over the last 2/3 years, You should look at the specs of computers in 18 months too, During a Steam sale in the near future, there will be a lot more PC Gamers with much better rigs, with the release of PS4/XB1, the multiplatform games will be much better now for PC and the requirements for all games will increase quite sharply.

Though I agree that the minimum specs are a little too high, I think that it won't just be ubisoft who will be sharply increasing PC specs over the next 6-12 months.

 

[DukeBobby]

I pre order the PS4 Watch Dogs Bundle but if the ps4 ver is that bad ill get it on pc will need to wait for digital foundry

The PS4 version runs at 30fps and God knows what resolution (could actually be 720p), so yeah, I can assure you that your PC will run it better.

Well, unless it's terrible optimised, of course.

 

[Elija2]

What a stupid decision. They clearly have the game running with low settings on 360/PS3 so why don't they allow PC users to do the same? You can keep your ridiculously high requirements for the highest graphical setting, but don't make the minimum requirements so high when you don't have to.

 

[elelunicy]

It's probably worth posting this again for the people who missed it last time around:



Note that BF4 is also optimized for 8 threads.

Are these done on empty servers? Almost no difference between the minimum fps and the average fps.

 

[_machine]

only 2% of Steam users are using a DX11-class GPU + OS combo

What?

DX11GPU+WIN7 62.79% at the top graph, majority of game machines clear that, but the minimum memory and VRAM is bigger problem at around 43%. Which would bring the potential maximum userbase at 23 million.

 

[LCGeek]

Right about that, but this is one of the very first games not held back by a 7 year old system spec, so I would expect them to have us make use of muscles we haven't worked out yet.

we both know the first fact you mentioned. While I do expect ubisoft to make use of things I also know from previous history it won't always be to the best. At the very least they try which is more than I can say for rockstar or other companies who multiplatform ports are much worse imo.

 

[Gamerloid]

Why would it need 6GB minimum? Is it poorly optimized or something? Wasn't expecting this increase at all.

 

[Gbraga]

Why would it need 6GB minimum? Is it poorly optimized or something? Wasn't expecting this increase at all.

That's a good question. I don't doubt it would need it, but I wonder what is it being used for. Maybe to eliminate pop ins?

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Why would it need 6GB minimum? Is it poorly optimized or something? Wasn't expecting this increase at all.

It's really hard to say, but I think it at least indicates that we're getting the PS4/XBONE version's assets rather than the PS3/360.

 

[Munin]

PC games have laughably low specs for years as a result of console stagnation, GAF whines "where is the progress????"

Finally PC game with higher minimum specs gets announced, GAF whines "lol I won't be able to run this Ubi u suck"

 

[chickdigger802]

Why would it need 6GB minimum? Is it poorly optimized or something? Wasn't expecting this increase at all.

open world.


cloak physics.


trash dynamic physics.

 

[Skeff]

The PS4 version runs at 30fps and God knows what resolution (could actually be 720p), so yeah, I can assure you that your PC will run it better.

Well, unless it's terrible optimised, of course.

Watch_Dogs is 1080p on PS4.

While overall image quality isn't quite on a par with last year's PC-based demo, Watch Dogs appears to render natively in 1080p on the PS4 using post-process anti-aliasing that has less of a softening effect on the overall image.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-watch-dogs-on-ps4-tech-analysis

I know off-topic, but seemed like there was genuine curiosity about PS4 resolution.

 

[Gbraga]

PC games have laughably low specs for years as a result of console stagnation, GAF whines "where is the progress????"

Finally PC game with higher minimum specs gets announced, GAF whines "lol I won't be able to run this Ubi u suck"

While this is true, I think GAF is big enough to say that maybe it wasn't the same guys?

Watch_Dogs is 1080p on PS4.



http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-watch-dogs-on-ps4-tech-analysis

I know off-topic, but seemed like there was genuine curiosity about PS4 resolution.

These days ubi themselves said the resolution wasn't set for next gen consoles yet, IIRC

Maybe Xbox One will run at a lower res?

 

[ICPEE]

Core i5 2500K
8GB Ram
Nvidia GTX 560Ti

I just about make it for minimum requirements. And good to hear PC is lead development platform.

 

[Adam Blade]

You have the 770M or 780M?

780m.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

I just put a 3570k in my build last week! I'm dreading the benchmarks, but at the same time, that chart from the last thread had the stock 3570k outperforming the highest OCed AMD 8-core in recent BF4 benches. I want to hope.

Believe.

The i5 beating the 8 core AMD was only because games were not optimized for 8 cores. Now games will use those cores.

 

[SteveWinwood]

A large number of people went with the 32bit Windows 7 OS, even though almost every new processor has been 64bit since 2004 or 2005, and 64bit Windows worked fine with Vista. I can see why devs were hesitant, even if that hesitation should have subsided before now.

Windows 7 shouldn't have even offered a 32 bit.

 

[Lulubop]

The i5 beating the 8 core AMD was only because games were not optimized for 8 cores. Now games will use those cores.

And still lose out to i5's.

 

[SouthernGangstaNerd]

Watch_Dogs is 1080p on PS4.

YEAH OK. lol

 

[darkside31337]

Ubi devs smoking crack.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc

Just over 44% of Steam users have 4+ core systems.
About the same % have 6GB+ of RAM.
44-57% have 1024 or more VRAM (depends on if "other" is less than 1024 or more than)
only 2% of Steam users are using a DX11-class GPU + OS combo

Now, for comparison sake, Skyrim sold about 11 million units total and 14% of those were on PC, about 1.5 million total.

There are around 54 million Steam users (as of 12/2012, at least). 2% of that is about 1,080,000 users.

That means that even if absolutely everybody with a PC that meets the stated minimum requirements buys a copy of the game, the best Ubisoft can hope for is 2/3 of the volume that Skyrim did across the last two years.

Ubisoft done fucked up.

Seriously the most reasonable post in the thread. The guy who said this was a bad sign for PC gaming was right. People are seriously overestimating how many PC gamers have actually have top of the line rigs or are willing to spend a crapload of cash to upgrade what they just built or bought a few years ago.

 

[Skeff]

While this is true, I think GAF is big enough to say that maybe it wasn't the same guys?



These days ubi themselves said the resolution wasn't set for next gen consoles yet, IIRC

Maybe Xbox One will run at a lower res?

If we speculate on the difference between PS4 and XB1, this thread dies.

I'm looking forward to picking this up in 18 months on PC, I should have a beast of a PC by then and hopefully there will be Mod's to make it even prettier, I expect it to be better than the initial reveal after mods.

YEAH OK. lol

It's confirmed in the link I posted by the pixel counters....

 

[MadSexual]

The i5 beating the 8 core AMD was only because games were not optimized for 8 cores. Now games will use those cores.

This was a BF4 benchmark, which supposedly does use 8 threads. I posted the chart further down the page, though that one is contradicted by another that has since been posted, so who knows. We'll find out in a month or so anyway. Believe.

 

[Brannon]

AMD FX-8350 represent!

You may not laugh.

Also there's 8 gigs of RAM and a 660ti in there somewhere so that helps.

 

[Askherserenity]

The game comes out soon, shouldn't they put up a video detailing the graphics for the pc version of the game to see what what such high requirements are for?

 

[Brianimaniac]

It doesn't look nearly impressive enough to justify those specs.

 

[Mesoian]

Watch_Dogs is 1080p on PS4.

Yeah...probably not. I'd wait for the DF comparison for that one.

 

[thehypocrite]

Finally all the power in the PCs will be put in use. I'm sure a 500 dollars rig will run the game at max settings.

 

[AstroZombie]

Ubi devs smoking crack.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc

only 2% of Steam users are using a DX11-class GPU + OS combo

What? According to that very link you used 62.79% of Steam users have a DX11 GPU + Win7.

 

[Gestault]

It's confirmed [that the PS4 version of Watch Dogs runs at native 1080p] in the link I posted by the pixel counters....

I feel like the words of the game's own developer and publisher should matter in a situation like this.

 

[Nocturno999]

Seriously the most reasonable post in the thread. The guy who said this was a bad sign for PC gaming was right. People are seriously overestimating how many PC gamers have actually have top of the line rigs or are willing to spend a crapload of cash to upgrade what they just built or bought a few years ago.

It's like EA and UBI wants to force people to switch to next-gen consoles.

 

[solarus]

Lol at everyone who said current CPUs are way overpowered and will handle the most demanding next gen specs... but I listened and built one in september. Fuck I was going to wait until next year and build an 8 core system ;_;

 

[Mihos]

Will it have mod support?

I am fine on specs, so it just comes down to the extras for me on choosing a platform.

 

[MadSexual]

Lol at everyone who said current CPUs are way overpowered and will handle the most demanding next gen specs... but I listened and built one in september. Fuck I was going to wait until next year and build an 8 core system ;_;

Don't worry. Two cores will be dedicated exclusively to UPlay.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Seriously the most reasonable post in the thread. The guy who said this was a bad sign for PC gaming was right. People are seriously overestimating how many PC gamers have actually have top of the line rigs or are willing to spend a crapload of cash to upgrade what they just built or bought a few years ago.

It's not reasonable when some of his percents are straight up wrong.