What do mean Xbox OS will reduce features? The 3GB is locked. No matter how demanding a game becomes, they'll have to fit in 5GB RAM footprint. I don't know what Microsofts plans are, but having a big space for OS purposes allows them to be more flexible. Who knows where Windows RT/ Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 kernels will go, who knows what the latest trends in mobile space will be. The whole point of the 3GB reserved is to have something to fall back on of in the future some unexpected features appear. The Xbox 360's OS is roughly just as capable now as it was in 2005. Microsoft have stated multiple times they want to be able to add new features to the Xbox One OS without the limittion of RAM.
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Xbox One: Built for the future
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What do mean Xbox OS will reduce features? The 3GB is locked. No matter how demanding a game becomes, they'll have to fit in 5GB RAM footprint. I don't know what Microsofts plans are, but having a big space for OS purposes allows them to be more flexible. Who knows where Windows RT/ Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 kernels will go, who knows what the latest trends in mobile space will be. The whole point of the 3GB reserved is to have something to fall back on of in the future some unexpected features appear. The Xbox 360's OS is roughly just as capable now as it was in 2005. Microsoft have stated multiple times they want to be able to add new features to the Xbox One OS without the limittion of RAM.
BWJinxing
Member
Why doesn't XBL Compute run the apps instead of on the system? Back when they were pushing mandatory internet, this would have made sense since the cloud is so awesome and frees up system resources for games and would be showcasing its cloud in the real world.
Missed oppertunity.
Missed oppertunity.
Credit to XboxUncut on Reddit.
Credit where its due, that looks lovely...
I still don't like the Metro interface at the end, to busy looking with all those different tiles there. Aside from that it looks pretty smart.
Bony Manifesto
Member
Why is it ridiculous to expect some evidence that this big new feature of the console (that is STILL a massive part of Microsoft's marketing message) has some sort of worthwhile use? Even if the games aren't there at launch, would it kill them to have some sort of demonstration of what it can do?
I think the worry everyone has is that it was a feature that's there not because it's useful or desirable to games, but because it's technology that another division of Microsoft has sunk millions into researching and is a nice, modern-sounding bullet-point on a press release.
dapperbandit
Banned
Yeah that's a really nice start up screen.
I've been wondering about a possibility lately and the title "Built for the future" brought it back up for me. Would it be possible for Microsoft or Sony to do hardware upgrades/refreshes in the future without breaking backwards compatibility? Both systems are using more standard PC-like architecture. If I put a new video card or higher speed RAM in my PC now, it doesn't break any of my games or programs (well, most of the time it doesn't). I'm not talking about Xbox One Two or PS5, more like how Apple keeps selling Macbooks but puts better components in them each year.
What other platforms are doing what MS is doing right now with regards to "clouds" and Kinect? That's clearly what he meant. Unless you're a bit dumb I'm sure you were able to understand that.
Why can't he stop lying?
CassidyIzABeast
Member
They won't do it because it would segment the userbase and what hardware developers target.
That's not the full quote from that part of the video. Watch it yourself.
This^ lol
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Those small pieces of UI in the video also confirm you can change the 'accent colour' of the UI. So you don't have to be stuck with Xbox green all the time.
Yep, just looked at it again.
Edit. But still not really true.
PS4 can do the same cloud stuff, if SONY wants it.
And the PS4 is clearly the more powerful hardware
Titanfall AI and detailed explanation from Respawn on cloud benefits, Forza drivatar, COD dedis versus peer to peer last gen, cloud profiles with mobile game libraries, etc. It sounds like their are multiple launch window examples with details about cloud implementations at launch that apparently dont count or you choose to ignore.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
I just looked and...yeeeeaaahhh.
Thanks for that. Sorry I don't take this guy's statements at face value - especially when he with dribble he was pasting on neogaf.
So what you're saying is essentially "Microsoft is lying about cloud computing because they have no tech demo". I guess Sony lied about the SPE's too. Nobody knew what those were for until 2008.
Respawn Entertainment has a blog post a couple of month ago about their implementation of the Cloud: http://www.respawn.com/news/lets-talk-about-the-xbox-live-cloud/
Forza also uses the Cloud for ' Drivatars '. Your and your friends' driving style is studied and an AI avatar of you is created, which drives you like you drive. This is done in the cloud so the console doesn't have to process this. So this is actually an example of how you can offload tasks.
Impeccable
Member
So it is like racing ghost times :O
Credit to XboxUncut on Reddit.
Dat easing tho
Daffy Duck
Member
Showing me all these nice things really clouds my judgement with ditching my XB1 pre order and getting a PS4.
Damn you MS.
Damn you MS.
Sony pushed the PS3's special SPE's way more than Microsoft is pushing Cloud Computing. We didn't see the benefit of SPE's until years after launch. The first games if I recall correctly that described how SPE's aided their rendering was Killzone 2, released in 2009.
SniperHunter
Banned
Apparently this isn't a new feature. Evolution did the same thing in Motorstorm RC for the Vita....no clouds needed
With your post history, i'm sure your unsupported claims will show these ignorant fanboys!
TheCanisDirus
Member
(just personal opinion here... no Xbox One hate)
To each his/her own but...
Am I in the minority thinking this is far too Windows 8 and just plain hideous? Just curious as I hear non-stop hate for Win8/Metro but loads seem to dig this.
To each his/her own but...
Am I in the minority thinking this is far too Windows 8 and just plain hideous? Just curious as I hear non-stop hate for Win8/Metro but loads seem to dig this.
Magic
If you're going to insult a fellow GAFer and call them a liar, you should at least do them the courtesy of providing their full quote.
Opus Angelorum
Member
And there goes the thread.
Not exactly, because ghost times are static/ fixed. Restart the race, and the ghost will take exactly the same route. It's basically a replay. A drivatar is dynamic. It drives like you do. It takes corners like you would, it brakes like you would brake and it makes mistakes, just like you would.
We are not talking about Sony here. This is a Microsoft promise we are discussing.
As for Drivatars. How is this not possible with some servers set-up for the purpose of this game? How is this not glorified bots? I mean, do you actually like bots? Do you also really care that a bot that races like you races online against others why you are not there?
How about checking my second post (afterwards)?
edit.
And btw. I don't give a damn that "Mr. Crappy PR" Penello from MS is a "fellow GAFer".
Don't care about who "created" DirectX".
Clouds, dude, CLOUDS.
I hope MS/Sony won't try to make another 8 years generation...
chugen
Member
Cert.in.Death
Member
Still not crazy for Metro/tiles...but it appears wholly functional
What's wrong with that GIF?
Its just a simple routine that calculates chances and probabilities and mimics a "behavior" out of this. Dont make more out of it as it is. Nothing that would kill the performance of the game if it was processed in box. If the cloud could really handle some performance heavy duties it would be a complete different thing. Its nice though, but far away from what Microsoft promises.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
cloud is just the tech noob friendly term for servers.
Must be rendering on the cloud!
clouds
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Bony Manifesto
Member
But it's all very minor stuff (or stuff that people take for granted). If they're name-dropping it in every interview, I feel there should be something more to it than that.
Oh come on. Microsoft's PR guys are clearly given instructions to make sure they mention the cloud in every interview they do. Sony's focus on the mysterious untapped power of the Cell was a desperate attempt to try and turn their insane architecture decisions into some sort of positive. When every multiplatform game was noticeably superior on the much cheaper 360, they had to have some sort of answer to that.
I thought the reason this is using the cloud though is because it downloads your friends' drivatars and you race them.
