But if you're "online playing", that means a PS+ account while the dude who originally bought the game is already signed in to his PS+ account. So are you talking about a second PS+ subscription for the home person to use the locally loaded games online?
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PS4: Two people can play on the same account at the same time.
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But if you're "online playing", that means a PS+ account while the dude who originally bought the game is already signed in to his PS+ account. So are you talking about a second PS+ subscription for the home person to use the locally loaded games online?
TetraGenesis
Member
No, you said that directly to me. I've asked for you to define what that means. If you're going to insult someone, have the nuts to spell it out. What's my agenda?
Oh good. But read the post I quoted.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Agreed
simplythebest
Banned
Right now I'm all like
I think the problem you got people here interpreting this issue in different contexts, it might seem confusing to others who don't know what to believe. I think it's best to get one clear concise message from the source that everyone will be understand clearly.
Xbox One and PS4 are the same in this regard. The "home" PS4 or Xbox One is usable by all accounts. If the main user of that PS4 has PS+ or XBL, all the other accounts on that box have it too.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I did but there's little point in arguing that someone is wrong when all I wanted to do is put your mind to rest
Seems like the current 360 model.
If they want to cut game sharing as much as possible without violating your rights to play the games you bought, that's fine, but I wish they'd lower the price point then. $60 for a digital title is very shitty.
I do realize that I'm part of the problem buying digital titles on PS3 for $60, even though I refuse to do so on PC. Oh well.
If they want to cut game sharing as much as possible without violating your rights to play the games you bought, that's fine, but I wish they'd lower the price point then. $60 for a digital title is very shitty.
I do realize that I'm part of the problem buying digital titles on PS3 for $60, even though I refuse to do so on PC. Oh well.
We already have that. The video on the Sony youtube channel. It's clear. It's concise.
Because Sony never liked that people were doing that. They originally had 5 systems capable of doing it but Publishers threw a stink. Probably Publishers were involved in making them change their policies into something slightly less forgiving.
Here's the thing man. The industry DOES NOT WANT YOU to buy one game and let 2 people play it at once on 2 separate machines. They simply don't.
So anyone expecting the same 2 consoles per game policies from the PS3 to transfer over to PS4 haven't been paying attention to the industry direction when it comes to consumer limits to digital property.
Tripolygon
Banned
Bingo. I did not insult you and i pretty much spelt out what your agenda was previously (link if you need it) and you said it was a mistake on your part so i've pretty much moved on past that. And you mean balls, nuts is childish.
why is it so hard to understand, maybe because some of you didnt have PS3 before?
There are two important terms here:
1. Activated console
2. Account
One account can have 2 consoles activated. On those 2 consoles, ANY account can play games on it. It does not have to be original account that purchased the game. This is how people share games.
For PS4, it seems that they also added "roaming" for account which allows it to play purchased game at any PS4 as long as your are logged in. This is what I get from description on Knack store page.
In any case, tweet from Yoshida confirms the first part, which is same as before with PS3 - on your activated consoles, you can play with ANY account. So your girlfriend or my nephew can play my games on their account as long as I activated their console as one of my 2 consoles.
There are two important terms here:
1. Activated console
2. Account
One account can have 2 consoles activated. On those 2 consoles, ANY account can play games on it. It does not have to be original account that purchased the game. This is how people share games.
For PS4, it seems that they also added "roaming" for account which allows it to play purchased game at any PS4 as long as your are logged in. This is what I get from description on Knack store page.
In any case, tweet from Yoshida confirms the first part, which is same as before with PS3 - on your activated consoles, you can play with ANY account. So your girlfriend or my nephew can play my games on their account as long as I activated their console as one of my 2 consoles.
The problem is that some people took the entirely incorrect thread title and the incomplete tweet and drew whatever conclusions they wanted. I wanted game sharing to stay the same too, but it didn't.
The new system has advantages and disadvantages. The license is more restricted, but the account itself is more flexible and mobile.
It would be nice if we'd had something like that back in July.
VIDEO FOR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T GET THIS
Watch from :45 to 1:20
Brad Grenz
Member
They would change it so you can play on more than 2 systems. With the new policy for both Xbox One and PS4 it doesn't matter where a game is purchased, it is always accessible on a home system and on any other system where you are logged in. This also has the benefit of sharing Plus/Gold benefits in a household rather than needing individual subscriptions for every user.
It isn't like PS3. No more two consoles. It's actually more like 360 and exactly the same as Xbone.
Recommend watching the video linked below.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
The problem is that some people took the entirely incorrect thread title and the incomplete tweet and drew whatever conclusions they wanted. I wanted game sharing to stay the same too, but it didn't.
The new system has advantages and disadvantages. The license is more restricted, but the account itself is more flexible and mobile.
It would be nice if we'd had something like that back in July.
VIDEO FOR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T GET THIS
Watch from :45 to 1:20
LOL!!! 10/10 for persistence
It wouldn't have been anywhere near as much fun if I hadn't misinterpreted that tweet!
Yep, the best part about this thread is that 5-10 people have come in with "Why don't you guys get this? SMH!"
And they've all been wrong themselves.
Thanks for quoting the video...can't be posted enough. LOL.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
aha, so according to the video - you have 1 activated console that you can "give" to other person that you are sharing your games with and then play while logged on any console. This is clashing with what Knack page said, so that info is wrong then.
This is effectively better system than on PS3 as 2nd console can be anything. I can basically give all of my games to my nephew (as I do now) and then use my own account logged in for my own console/s or when visiting friends.
Why, there is nothing wrong with this DRM. It's not like it is always online or anything. Digital copies are always going to have account based restrictions. If you don't want to deal with those restrictions, then go buy a physical copy, that is what they are there for. Being angry at Sony for not giving you two activations (if that is what is even going on) would be like being angry that a physical copy only comes with one copy of the game. You can still play the game on any PS4, you just have to be signed in on consoles outside of your "home". I don't understand what is so bad about that. Steam has been doing pretty much the same things for years now, and it isn't an issue at all. Even if you can't play a game on two systems at the same time (which it sounds like you can), so what, you most certainly can't play a physical game on two systems at the same time, and people don't seem to have an issue with that.
Fredrik
Member
Turn the console you play on the most into an always-online console. No thank you. I'll go physical-only on PS4 instead.
You sir are a quick study and are to be commended. Seriously, it's been a rough thread.
As for Knack, it doesn't conflict at all. Take another look and substitute either "activated" or "home" for "primary".
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
That is fine, it is a level of abuse they will tolerate because it still sells consoles.
Not the same level of abuse that would have happened if MS kept that Xbox One friends and family thing, that sounded to good to be true because every possible user would abuse the shit out of it.
So if my friend and I decide to use each other's PS4's as our second consoles, could he play my games on his PS4 while I play his games on my PS4 at the same time on our own accounts and would it work online? I just want to make sure I'm understanding that correctly since it seems kind of insane that sharing would still work. I know it was abused heavily back in the early days of the PS3 but I can't imagine it'd stay.
Your nephew's console would have to be your master console and you would have to be online to play on your own console/friend's console. So yes, but a little convoluted.
It's more restrictive than PS3 but more mobile.
Unless there's some fine print not yet revealed, this should work EXCEPT that you would have to make each other's consoles your primary (not secondary) console and then log in with your own account. As long as you both have PS Plus and are online to log in, you should be good to go.
Wow, that's crazy. I doubt it's something I would do for a few reasons, but now I know why people are so adamant about sharing for PS4.
Thanks.
The Faceless Master
Member
i don't know how anyone reading those tweets comes to a conclusion other than the current Xbox 360 model of 1 account license + 1 console license.
i BELIEVE its been confirmed that you can sign multiple PSN accounts in at the same time ala Xbox 360
Yes, which is at least partly why they wanted accounts to be more mobile.
which i feel is very much a step in the right direction...things like playing some CoD when a friend is over is much nicer on the 360 where we both can long into our own XBL accounts...
Which basically means one console - the home console - lets anyone in your family play, but if you have a second PS4 in the house only you can play digitally purchased games on it.
So eg if we have a PS4 in the living room, and my son has one in his room, there is no way for my son to play on both machines, he can only ever play on the home machine. But that means I'd have to make *his* machine the home one, so now my daughter cannot play in the living room (and neither can he)
Seems much less family friendly than before. Looks like I'll be staying physical for the foreseeable future
I'm fine with not being able play on both machines at the same time, but this blocks you from even taking it in turns. Physical discs are more flexible than digital in this situation
Killing_Joke
Member
I'm not sure if that's exactly clear. Yes, you'll need to log in beyond the 2 system activations. But i don't see anywhere it says you HAVE to be logged in for the 2nd system. What's the point of a 2nd activation if it has to follow the same log in rule as the rest of them?
I think they are trying to cut down on long distance sharing. Want to play on 2 systems at home? No problem. Want to play the same game at the same time in 2 different locations? Bit of a stretch.
How do you nominate for post of the day?
Almost none of this is right.
Any of you can play on either machine with their own account. Whichever machine you want everyone to have access to all content should be the home console, probably the living room. Assuming the home account is your son's account, he could still access his stuff in his room simply by logging in with his account.
Brad Grenz
Member
There are no system activations for PS4, just a designated home/primary console. The old 2 activation limit does not apply at all. If you are not on the primary system you need to log in online to access your psn game library.
Of course anyone can play with their own account, but assuming my account will be the one paying for games, then only one console will let others play those games. That's what I meant in that post.
I guess I could do it the way you suggest, make purchases through *his* account, but I'm wary of doing that, I'd prefer to control the purse strings
Tripolygon
Banned
Tweet it to GAF twitter and #NeoGAF or #PostoftheDay or something like that.
Edit: Apparently you just have to quote it and say you vote that as post of the day, at least that what i've seen over the years on GAF.
yes... if you think about it, it is better before, especially since you can easily activate/deactivate console from the account page.
I see. Having 3 players makes it a bit trickier, but the important thing, I would think would be sharing PS Plus.
I would make his console your primary, so he can use your PS+ with his account and let your daughter use your profile in the living room for games she wants to access or for playing online.
But I'm making the sexist assumption that he'll care more than her and/or plays online more. If they're both big gamers, you're gonna need 2 PS Plus accounts.
Killing_Joke
Member
it depends on who is doing the purchasing of the digital games...each user can designate a "home" console...whatever they purchase is available to EVERYONE on that specific console...this also includes the PS+ benefits like the ability to play games online (like Call of Duty Multiplayer) or play free titles...
the purchaser can also go to ANY other PS4 and play they games that they themselves have purchased...
the problem arises when YOU have purchased a digital game...then installed it on your home console...even if your account is on your son's PS4 it can only be played when your account is signed in...he cannot play it on HIS console, with HIS account...
it gets tricky with the third account....4 consoles would be easier than 3 lol...
I just loved "speak your mind boy".
For some reason, I read it in Nick Cage's voice from The Rock.
you're happy.
Tripolygon
Banned
In my head it came out in Morgan Freeman's voice.