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PC gaming will never be taken seriously until it fixes the bs
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SirMossyBloke
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This is exactly why I like the idea of people now making "pc performance" threads for new games coming out.
There's nothing worse than going into a thread about a new game only for it to be shit on by pc gamers making pages and pages of complaints about drivers and performance issues and what card can run what with what settings.
Happens all the time. Console gaming may not give you the best results, but it sure is easier.
There's nothing worse than going into a thread about a new game only for it to be shit on by pc gamers making pages and pages of complaints about drivers and performance issues and what card can run what with what settings.
Happens all the time. Console gaming may not give you the best results, but it sure is easier.
RagingAvatar
Member
Agree with OP which is why I'm a console gamer mostly.
Booted up Mass Effect 3 on PC yesterday an it error'ed saying I needed a PhysX package. Didn't tell me which one, where to get it, didn't auto-download for me etc.
Consoles give an extremely simple experience - and I love that. Whilst I also love the fact that enthusiasts and tinkerers can tailor their game and experience how they see fit on PC.
I liken the console/PC thing to cars - stock vs. customised.
Group hug?
Booted up Mass Effect 3 on PC yesterday an it error'ed saying I needed a PhysX package. Didn't tell me which one, where to get it, didn't auto-download for me etc.
Consoles give an extremely simple experience - and I love that. Whilst I also love the fact that enthusiasts and tinkerers can tailor their game and experience how they see fit on PC.
I liken the console/PC thing to cars - stock vs. customised.
Group hug?
I can't help but laugh at the responses of "but pc gaming is taken seriously", god I bet the publishers who push pc games back months, refuse to acknowledge a pc version, and regularly release buggy and unoptimized games at launch just love hearing that. What incentive is there for them to change, when the masses are more than happy being treated like shit by publishers.
I completely disagree, and I love to tinker. OP isn't talking about tinkering. I hate all the shit he's talking about; been a PC gamer first and foremost for the majority of my 28 years as a gamer (I'm 32).
That said, I rarely experience issues on my PC because I use it like a console and don't load more than what's absolutely necessary to game. Otherwise I have a laptop for productivity.
What kind of game even needs that? First time I even heard about this. I'm legitimately curious.
Lasthope106
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Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I do think certain games need more attention on the PC platform but my experience hasn't been like yours. I'm not saying you're not legitimately frustrated either. Usually if there is an issue I just google it or search a forum for 2-3 minutes and find a solution. I think one game was entirely unresponsive to fixes and that was burnout paradise city... steam version. But since I got it on humble bundle (and already owned it on 360 a while ago so I didn't care much), I tried installing the origin version and it worked fine.
Please don't post this antagonistic BS.
Please don't post this antagonistic BS.
chrominance
Member
Basically this. PC gaming is already taken seriously, it's just two different (and overlapping) audiences for PC and console. On console, you're 99% guaranteed a minimum level of functionality. So my friend, who's been trying to get Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed working on his new gaming PC with absolutely no success (but can run it just fine on an aging laptop), is shit out of luck in a way that would never happen on consoles. The issues I had getting Punkbuster to work with Battlefield 3 would also never happen on consoles.
But on the flip side, everyone who bought the PS3 version of Fallout or Skyrim is screwed in a way PC gamers will never be, because not only can you upgrade a PC, but the actual issues that Fallout/Skyrim have on PS3 can be worked around or eliminated entirely after the fact even if the developer is unwilling to. The Dark Souls resolution fix Durante created is a great example of an improvement that is impossible to pull off on a console.
Two different audiences. You just want your shit to work? Get a console. You're okay with the occasional driver bullshit and want to enjoy the ability to tweak and modify your games to get the most out of them? PC.
Finally: I'm sorry you've been having troubles with your PC games. It genuinely sucks and no amount of other people telling you about the PC master race is going to change the fact that you can't play your games without bullshit you didn't want to go through. I hope you figure out how to get Batman running someday, just like I hope my friend figures out how to get Sonic Racing running on his system.
Absolutely fantastic suggestion. Fixes 99% of computer problems.
VFX_Veteran
Banned
I haven't tinkered with my PC in ages.
It's much faster to load and play than any console I've ever owned. But then again, I have 16G of RAM and an SSD.
All I do is download drivers and patches. And that's normal for consoles too. Have my rig hooked up to my 55" Plasma and wireless mouse/keyboard/joystick.
It's much faster to load and play than any console I've ever owned. But then again, I have 16G of RAM and an SSD.
All I do is download drivers and patches. And that's normal for consoles too. Have my rig hooked up to my 55" Plasma and wireless mouse/keyboard/joystick.
Shitty console ports from console-centric developers/publishers means PC gaming is a joke? Ok bud.
breadtruck
Member
Agreed. I may have had to do it maybe once out of all the Steam, Origin, and any physical media game Ive owned/played. I think the game was Battlefield 2... so yeah, its been a while.
Lasthope106
Member
Did you update the drivers? Well, did you?!
LQX
Member
I kind of agree because as of late I think PC gaming is getting worse in regards to giving a pass to almost intentional game breaking BS like no controller support and shit like no resolution or K\B configs in the main menu of games. This is un-fucking-acceptable and I do not care if you are a Indie developer who by the way are the main perpetrators of this. So many fucking games of late that are only on PC are being put on Steam half-assed with no option to even reconfigure commands unless you go edit some ini file. Fuck that. Not even ten years ago did that seem as common as it is today.
It must just be me, but I rarely experience an issue with my PC gaming. I'm not saying others don't, but it seems odd to me. I use my PC these days more than my consoles because it is quicker, easier, faster, to buy, download, install and play a game. It's always faster for me to get into a game on my PC than it is on my consoles.
Windows is full of cruft and that is probably the main issues people have, hopefully SteamOS can solve that sort of stuff for people.
Windows is full of cruft and that is probably the main issues people have, hopefully SteamOS can solve that sort of stuff for people.
I play games on a PC and almost never have to tinker unless we're talking getting some old game to work that was never designed for Windows 7 or whatever. I just don't get how people end up in this situation. I use Steam, GOG or retail disks for the most part and not only do the games "just work" pretty much all the time.
Go to consoles OP.
Although it's kind of funny how PC consoles are becoming. Forced to cache/install games, day 1 patches etc. Very rarely can you just pop in a game and play nowadays.
Crossing streams bro
Although it's kind of funny how PC consoles are becoming. Forced to cache/install games, day 1 patches etc. Very rarely can you just pop in a game and play nowadays.
Crossing streams bro
Phrozenflame500
Member
Have you tried deleting the game and reinstalling it? That tends to fix most problems. If it doesn't it's either your drivers or your hardware.
Occasionally it might also be Windows, you might want to back up all non-games and reinstall (make sure you have Steam Cloud enabled so your saves get transferred). It's unlikely it's the OS though if it's only this one game.
Regardless, I've never actually had any problems to that level. I've had game crashing issues before, but never to an unplayable extent.
I have a gaming PC because I have the time and patience for it. Most people don't. That doesn't mean I enjoy tweaking things to get things to work the way I'd like though. I'm having the most fun when things are working the way I want them to, not when I'm working to get them that way. Just because I don't like tweaking things doesn't mean I don't like the end results.
Haunted
Member
Tried to play my 360 last week after a long time, pressed the big button on the controller, nothing happened.
Usually the light comes on, but nothing. Couldn't control the console, couldn't do anything. The wireless controller was just dead. I could start the console with the button on the console and the dashboard booted up fine, but there was simply no way to play the damn thing with the controller off.
Controller just wouldn't turn on.
Usually the light comes on, but nothing. Couldn't control the console, couldn't do anything. The wireless controller was just dead. I could start the console with the button on the console and the dashboard booted up fine, but there was simply no way to play the damn thing with the controller off.
Controller just wouldn't turn on.
I have been gaming on PC since 1992, before that on AMIGA.
I can honestly say that nowadays it is easier than ever to game on a PC.
That last bit of occasional tweaking or reading something up comes with the fact that PC is still an OPEN PLATFORM as opposed to all those lovely walled gardens all around us.
Why do I have the feeling that computer literacy goes down and down with each year?
I can honestly say that nowadays it is easier than ever to game on a PC.
That last bit of occasional tweaking or reading something up comes with the fact that PC is still an OPEN PLATFORM as opposed to all those lovely walled gardens all around us.
Why do I have the feeling that computer literacy goes down and down with each year?
I've been PC gaming with self-build PCs and stuff for about 12 years now, I've never done or experienced over half of these.
Stuff like Windows Updates are user controlled, you set it when you first installed Windows.
Stuff like limiting a game to two cores I have not done in the last 5 years.
There are things in place now like GOG for old games, Geforce Experience is getting there for auto-tweaking, and more generally google is there to solve most problems in seconds.
Jakoozie89
Neo Member
For as long as I could afford it, I have been both a PC and console gamer. I think there are ups and downs to both platforms.
But, I do not understand people like the OP of this thread.
This is me being curious, not defensive or angry; I have seriously not had a single issue with my PC games since I started using steam in 2009. The odd crashes of course happen, but very rarely, and I have no idea how to edit an ini-file, and I've never used rivatuner. I can not, at all, relate to what you are writing in your post.
Theses problems existed earlier, sure. But I don't feel you are representative for what PC gamers are experiencing today.
But, I do not understand people like the OP of this thread.
This is me being curious, not defensive or angry; I have seriously not had a single issue with my PC games since I started using steam in 2009. The odd crashes of course happen, but very rarely, and I have no idea how to edit an ini-file, and I've never used rivatuner. I can not, at all, relate to what you are writing in your post.
Theses problems existed earlier, sure. But I don't feel you are representative for what PC gamers are experiencing today.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
The things you identify are problems and should be fixed, but I think you are maybe overstating their prevalence based on one or two bad experiences. Case in point:
Arkham City is a relatively poor GFWL port hastily patched to remove GFWL. That it has hardware or software compatibility issues on a go-forward basis is not that surprising. It's a bummer. It's a problem. But it's not the average case.
Piercedveil
Member
Didn't you know cheap games, better graphics, higher frame-rates, ability to upgrade things, mods, game option customization, and having more than a single DD store suck?
OP, I can't say I've had too many problems gaming on my PC but I have definitely had a few minor issues in the past. If you're sick of dealing with it, you could get an Xbox.
dark_prinny
Banned
This is the main reason of my loathing towards PC Gaming. I can understand people who see this as a non issue or even "enjoy" this bullshit but not me. I was there, and I have no interest in coming back.
Insert the disc and play. That's all I want. Nothing more, nothing less.
Insert the disc and play. That's all I want. Nothing more, nothing less.
dripdripsplash
Member
More like console gaming will never be taken seriously until it has this bs.
HAHAHHAHAH. That picture mad me laugh waayyyy more than it should have.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
Or you could have googled the problem, showing you needed to go into Nvidia Control Panel and uncheck the "steroscopic 3D" box. I had the same 'issue' and it was as easy as right-click desktop>nvidia control panel.
Mark me as one of those annoying people who almost never have PC issues. Had a few DirectX crashes with BF3 (and BF4), but those seem to be out of my control.
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It's not about being "hard", or me being incompetent to solve an issue. It's me not wanting to spend the time to fix issues, regardless how little time they may take. Again, I continue to put up with it however because I do love the benefits to pc gaming. So I guess I'm a hypocrite, though I just don't know if I'll continue down the pc road, or go with consoles for next gen and be done with the pc bullshit so I can get back to just enjoying games.
Great post, I agree. The Lara Croft bit cracked me up ^^
I think this is a very valid response -- yes there are some cases, but I suspect the vast majority of people never have to disable a keyboard driver to get a game to work. Some people do, and that's unfortunate, but a few people having a problem doesn't mean that PC gaming in general is not "taken seriously". There are some people who take it seriously and some who don't and it will probably always be that way. I agree that "taken seriously" is a bit vague -- Valve and Riot and Mojang probably take it "seriously", though Valve and Mojang have also made a lot of money off consoles. Of course supporting a console is not mutually exclusive to having a PC version. "Taken seriously" seems a bit vague to me even with the additional language about publisher awareness and public reconigition.
And public recognition? PC is not a uniform platform like "XBox 360" or "Playstation 3" or "Wii U" or something, so I'm not sure that there can ever be public recognition of that. Perhaps "Steambox" could become a publicly recognized name for some threshold definition of "publicly recognized", but who knows.
In addition to the keyboard driver comment, I agree again with Durante about Windows updates for example. It is something that can be disabled fairly simply, quickly, and permanently. Likewise, it is very rare for me that I would have to edit a .ini file or replace a .dll. I had issues with PhysX with maybe two games in the last 5+ years.
To the OP, does my experience and that of others in the thread mean your experience is invalid? No, but if the problems you described truly were the exception rather than the rule, it does become a situation of "It is unfortunate you had problems, but if you are in the minority it may not be valid to draw a worldwide generalization from this."
I have spent a surprisingly small amount of time tweaking and tinkering in recent years.
The vast majority of tweaking for me has involved older games and a couple of really shitty
console ports. Most games seem to work right out of the gate without problems.
If you start playing around with mods, SMAA injectors and the like, then things get complicated quickly, but other than that the last few years have been very uncomplicated for me.
The vast majority of tweaking for me has involved older games and a couple of really shitty
console ports. Most games seem to work right out of the gate without problems.
If you start playing around with mods, SMAA injectors and the like, then things get complicated quickly, but other than that the last few years have been very uncomplicated for me.
If you want a counter anecdotal experience, I haven't had any, of the issues described in the OP for years on PC. User experience may vary etc.
Mental Atrophy
Banned
One of the downsides of the proliferation of technology is it results in generations of people who don't even know how the things they use work. Don't blame the device.
Sounds more like an understandable frustration. Shit happens, fixes aren't always incredibly easy.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Theres way too many people in here saying he's wrong that it isn't hard or difficult.
I don't think he said either of those things. I think he finds it annoying.
I don't think he said either of those things. I think he finds it annoying.
Well this is hyperbole.
The only game I've ever had massive issues with was Bioshock 2. That game crashes like no other. And it has godawful audio problems.
I will say that it still is an annoying part of PC gaming, but the fact that you can actually change things for an optimal experience makes it so much better than console, where you just have to settle with what you're given.
The only game I've ever had massive issues with was Bioshock 2. That game crashes like no other. And it has godawful audio problems.
I will say that it still is an annoying part of PC gaming, but the fact that you can actually change things for an optimal experience makes it so much better than console, where you just have to settle with what you're given.
I agree with both of these posts. PC is an enthusiast platform, and it's not possible to make it as convenient as consoles while retaining all the things enthusiasts love about it.
So why not just keep them separate?
If that is the case, then I hope PC gaming never becomes mainstream. (For the reasons I outlined previously, i.e. the consequences of limiting user choice in order to unify the experiences of all users)
And of course disregarding the fact that PC gaming in some forms (i.e. The Sims or LoL) is already more mainstream than console gaming.
These are also true.