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[Toma]

both look good. the x1 holds the framerate during the majority of the game with bigger dips then ps4 with heavy theatrics. i'm actually more surprised that the ps4 version is only 900p and also has framerate drops. its much closer then i anticipated - chalk it up to console parity between multiplats i guess.

720p to 900p with framerate differences and more effects is "console parity" now?

This thread...

Edit: As I said earlier, I do agree that the average consumer might not care or notice much of that when looking at videos, but from a technical point of view this difference is ridiculously bad for MS.

 

[derExperte]

They recommend the PS4 version over the PC version because the hardware to run it costs only 400€. That's exactly what they say.

No. But of course you're going to try to spin it that way. There's no reason to go PS4 if you have a capable PC and they don't say anything different.

 

[orioto]

Read up, I already replied to you.
And I don't see why the aliasing is important to the discussion, I don't think anybody is arguing that the Xbone version is technically superior (PS4 has better FPS/AA/effects etc) but what is an issue for me is that PS4's AA solution/post-processing making the image too blurry, which negates things like it having the better resolution, because a lot of the detail is lost.

Yes this.

Guys this is just a sad example of a far superior technical showcase actually looking less good lol.. There is something as ironic as depressing in that.

 

[avcables]

Xbox One version definitely has better textures. There's missing ground texture detail in the PS4 version. The hell happened there? PS4 has the same amount of RAM and it's faster.

I would imagine it has something to do with the tessellation available to DirectX 11. There's nothing about either version that makes a clear distinction that the textures are all that great.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Xbox One version definitely has better textures. There's missing ground texture detail in the PS4 version. The hell happened there? PS4 has the same amount of RAM and it's faster.

It does not. It has an aggressive AA solution which blurs texture detail. The textures in both games are the same except one game runs at a higher resolution meaning that you should be seeing more detail overall, even if it's less sharp.

As for the ground textures, they are not all placed in the same way, they are laid down procedurally so you will get slightly diffrerent ground textures in certain areas each time you load up the game.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

People that actually saw both versions in motion all say thats not the case and the PS4 looks better in every way.

Well I'm only going off what I'm looking at here, and in most cases, PS4 screenshots and video is blurrier than Xbone.
If you want to play that card, we may as well disregard all footage because 'people that actually saw' is a better way of comparing the two, right?

 

[Pug]

720p to 900p with framerate differences and more effects is "console parity" now?

This thread...

Edit: As I said earlier, I do agree that the average consumer might not care or notice much of that when looking at videos, but from a technical point of view this difference is ridiculously bad for MS.

More effects?

 

[mrklaw]

It's really not. It's clear that the PS4 is obviously more capable than the Xbone from these shots, but no regular user that doesn't sit with their eyeballs glued to their television is going to notice these little inconsistencies while in action playing the game.

why did anyone ever bother with DF face offs with current gen? Why bother being informed about which is the better version to buy?

That'll do pig

 

[op_ivy]

720p to 900p with framerate differences and more effects is "console parity" now?

This thread...

if you read my post history you'll immediately see that, for me personally, i dont see 720p to 1080p as being a big difference. 720 to 900p is obviously less so.

also, i stated console parity meaning that dice's goal may have been to have them both be similar - not that tech wise the systems are. put down the weapons console warrior

 

[JonathanPower]

My observations:
1) The Digital Foundry footage is clearly botched and not useful for doing comparisons. You need to look at all the other comparison footage floating around the Internet to draw any conclusions.
2) For the next gen consoles trying to do comparisons with low bit rate, high compression Youtube videos is mostly worthless. We need comparison videos that are 20-30Mbit/s at least, none of this 5 Mbit/s Youtube stuff.
3) The PS4 at 900p has a large advantage over the 720p Xbone, but the low-bit rate video muddies all the fine detail you should see from having higher resolution.
4) BF4 looks to be CPU bound on the PS4 which is why we get 900p and not 1080p. This is purely DICE Fail. Every other launch game for the PS4 is 1080p, DICE just spent more of their time working on current gen and MANTLE and didn't spend much time optimizing the PS4 version. Prediction: For BF5 DICE will use GPGPU to offset the Jaguar CPU's in the PS4 and magically BF5 will run at 1080p (and maybe the Xbone gets to 900p).

I don't see what the CPU has do to with the resolution. If anything, we can say it's not CPU limited since it runs at 60fps.

 

[Prisoner KSC2-303]

Sometimes I question how smart I am. This thread made me realize I'm a lot smarter than I give myself credit for.

Spoiler

Please juniors read a few pages before posting

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To be fair, there's not a whole lot of clarity. Pick any page and you'll see images being bandied around, some miscaptured, others altered and unlabelled as such.

This is the problem with judging image quality over the net. The chain is so broken due to capture techniques, compression and the viewer's display that it should really only ever be considered a pointer.

I place far more emphasis on the opinions of those who've seen games running in the flesh, providing i can assume no obvious allegiance.

 

[Pain]

but I doubt the casuals are buying because of these details.

if a system has the games and features they want they will buy.

Why are so many assuming the casuals are loyal to the Xbox brand? Did the PS2 not teach us anything? The Wii?

No, power isn't everything but combine that with price and I think "the casuals" will bite.

 

[RamzaIsCool]

I have been watching some of MP footage that JackFrags took and I am pretty impressed! So what are you people blabbering about bluriness?

http://youtu.be/LJ0soB6gihY

http://youtu.be/2RPniQC4TG4

 

[Toma]

Well I'm only going off what I'm looking at here, and in most cases, PS4 screenshots and video is blurrier than Xbone.
If you want to play that card, we may as well disregard all footage because 'people that actually saw' is a better way of comparing the two, right?

I am not playing any card. You should take into consideration what people report about this on top of what you are seeing. You might prefer the "Look" of the X1 version shots, which you can emulate on PS4, but considering everyone states that PS4 looks better, I dont get your argument. Its not about cherrypicking, its about not hearing a single contrary opinion.

 

[nelsonroyale]

The PC/Nextgen comparison (Xbone version) is rather jarrying.

 

[metalslimer]

Xbox One version definitely has better textures. There's missing ground texture detail in the PS4 version. The hell happened there? PS4 has the same amount of RAM and it's faster.

Definitely huh....

 

[iceatcs]

More effects?

Ambient Occlusion and Anti-aliasing

 

[fluffydelusions]

That hypothetical is far from being accurate. Any $1300 PC with a well thought-out build will naturally dominate the consoles.

I've just built a setup for less than $1200. Well waiting on mobo which should be here today. It's an i7 4770k + 280x + 128gb SSD/1tb HDD + 8gb RAM. Will report back when I see how it plays.

 

[Pug]

Ambient Occlusion and Anti-aliasing

But both will be added for launch.

 

[KORNdoggy]

question in regards to this

as i'm not a PC gamer, is AO a "free" effect that can be turned on, or does it come at a price? and if so how big?

 

[Majanew]

It does not. It has an aggressive AA solution which blurs texture detail. The textures in both games are the same except one game runs at a higher resolution meaning that you should be seeing more detail overall, even if it's less sharp.

As for the ground textures, they are not all placed in the same way, they are laid down procedurally so you will get slightly diffrerent ground textures in certain areas each time you load up the game.

So, this ground texture will look different each time you reload to play this section? Because it clearly is in Xbox One's favor right there:

As is the rail texture in the foreground here:

 

[Drencrom]

both look good. the x1 holds the framerate during the majority of the game with bigger dips then ps4 with heavy theatrics. i'm actually more surprised that the ps4 version is only 900p and also has framerate drops. its much closer then i anticipated - chalk it up to console parity between multiplats i guess.

Edit: read it wrong

 

[Toma]

But both will be added for launch.

Only AO was confirmed to come for launch, and this probably means more framerate issues as well.

 

[iceatcs]

But both will be added for launch.

It is what we got now. No matter what happen in the future, it got to wait.

 

[avcables]

I've just built a setup for less than $1200. Well waiting on mobo which should be here today. It's an i7 4770k + 280x + 128gb SSD/1tb HDD + 8gb RAM. Will report back when I see how it plays.

This is the exact build I was going to use as an example, sans the SSD. You'll be able to turn BF4 up to Ultra, with all the bells and whistles, and get a steady 60fps. I'm running a similar rig with an Nvidia card. There is absolutely no comparison between what the PC is capable of and what the console obviously aren't.

 

[tipoo]

 

[erpg]

Well, I guess I understand why they didn't go with the Xbox 720 name. That'd be way too easy.

 

[Sanic]

question in regards to this

IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9eqKAYN.jpg[/IMG]

as i'm not a PC gamer, is AO a "free" effect that can be turned on, or does it come at a price? and if so how big?

No it's not, doubly so for the HBAO solution they employ. It'll be interesting to see if there is an effect on frame rate.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

gif destroys the image quality, but there you go. Anyone know if there's an ANPG plugin for photoshop?

Thank you!

 

[IAmRandom31]

This is the exact build I was going to use as an example, sans the SSD. You'll be able to turn BF4 up to Ultra, with all the bells and whistles, and get a steady 60fps. I'm running a similar rig with an Nvidia card. There is absolutely no comparison between what the PC is capable of and what the console obviously aren't.

But does that system have a good upscaler?

Why bother with all that mess and money when you can just get a 7770 and an upscaler, run 720p and be done with it? I mean, its a gorgeous end result

 

[op_ivy]

trying to catch up here, why do the x1 screens in the OP looks sharper then the ps4 ones?

 

[zomgbbqftw]

It does not. It has an aggressive AA solution which blurs texture detail. The textures in both games are the same except one game runs at a higher resolution meaning that you should be seeing more detail overall, even if it's less sharp.

As for the ground textures, they are not all placed in the same way, they are laid down procedurally so you will get slightly diffrerent ground textures in certain areas each time you load up the game.

Well the good news is that DICE are patching in a new AA mode for PS4 and the Bone in the retail version, hopefully that will reduce the amount of texture blurring.

 

[Perkel]

Read up, I already replied to you.
And I don't see why the aliasing is important to the discussion, I don't think anybody is arguing that the Xbone version is technically superior (PS4 has better FPS/AA/effects etc) but what is an issue for me is that PS4's AA solution/post-processing making the image too blurry, which negates things like it having the better resolution, because a lot of the detail is lost.

I am arguing that for some reason bit blurry image due to AA is worse that sea of shimmering for you.

Dude this doesn't add up.

Look at IGN mp footage. That is reality. Xbone version is sea of aliasing due to low res and lack of any AA.

 

[Sanic]

trying to catch up here, why do the x1 screens in the OP looks sharper then the ps4 ones?

AA implementation.

Being patched seemingly as I'm reading now.

 

[Pug]

trying to catch up here, why do the x1 screens in the OP looks sharper then the ps4 ones?

You did that on purpose, I'm sure!

 

[Bundy]

Xbox One version definitely has better textures. There's missing ground texture detail in the PS4 version. The hell happened there? PS4 has the same amount of RAM and it's faster.

The Xbone definitely doesn't have better textures.
Check you facts or read this thread.

 

[ElTorro]

I invite everyone to type that into google translator.

I can confirm that. (Although I am skeptical about the validity of the statement itself.)

 

[gutterboy44]

But I thought 720p meant higher framerate and more effects?

Honestly, neither are terribly impressive. Jaggies or Vaseline. The multiplayer looked awful on both consoles. I guess you will get the better framerate with PS4 though.

Let's hope this is just learning curve with the new gen and things look better on both sides in a year.

 

[avcables]

But does that system have a good upscaler?

Why bother with all that mess and money when you can just get a 7770 and an upscaler, run 720p and be done with it? I mean, its a gorgeous end result

Why introduce an upscaler when you can just play at full fidelity without having to fake it? I mean, you can get a 7770 and set it to Medium like the consoles and still play in 1080p60.

 

[op_ivy]

Eh, it's actually the other way around.

what? maybe i wasnt clear (its 5am and i just woke up). i also didnt bother watching the entire video comparison. both x1 and ps4 ran at 60 fps during most normal gameplay. both dropped frames with huge theatrical explosions events - the x1 version significantly and for a longer period of time (as smoke lingered for example).

 

[Drencrom]

what? maybe i wasnt clear (its 5am and i just woke up). i also didnt bother watching the entire video comparison. both x1 and ps4 ran at 60 fps during most normal gameplay. both dropped frames with huge theatrical explosions events - the x1 version significantly and for a longer period of time (as smoke lingered for example).

My bad, read your post wrong

 

[endlessflood]

I would imagine it has something to do with the tessellation available to DirectX 11. There's nothing about either version that makes a clear distinction that the textures are all that great.

DF claimed that many of the game textures seemed to be randomised, such as some ground textures and even the player's own textures (in terms of camo), so that would explain differing textures in some shots which seem to favour one version or another. But really you'd have to ask yourself whether anything DF claims can be trusted given the glaringly obvious problems with the footage they released: it seems to indicate a level of technical incompetence that is truly concerning for a site which passes themselves off as experts.

 

[derExperte]

He says at one point (after saying the thing with 60fps and the 1000€ PC): "Die PS4 kostet nur 399€, das ist auch ein Argument für die PS4 Version"

And at the end: "Ich kann jedem auch wirklich nur die PS4 Version empfehlen, weil für 400€ kriegt man da sehr gute Hardware und ein sehr gutes Spiel"

I invite everyone to type that into google translator.

Watched it again, he says 'Ich kann jedem auch nur die PS4 Version auch empfehlen' (he stutters a little there). How interesting that you left out a few words as it's obvious for native speakers what he meant. Basically 'I can recommend the PS4 version too, for 400€ you get very good hardware and a very good game'. He does not say 'buy PS4 version, not PC'. Which wouldn't make any sense because a) higher res b) potential for more AA/oversampling c) kb/m and d) they haven't compared multiplayer yet.

 

[Y2Kev]

But both will be added for launch.

Where does it say the Xbox one version will get AA for launch?

I feel like I missed a post from dice.

 

[fluffydelusions]

But does that system have a good upscaler?

Why bother with all that mess and money when you can just get a 7770 and an upscaler, run 720p and be done with it? I mean, its a gorgeous end result

Can't tell if sarcasm? Why would I need an upscaler when I can play at native 1080p? And I also use my PC for a lot more than games. And the extra money isn't really a concern. I have money to afford it plus I can get PC games much cheaper. That said, I'm still getting a PS4.

 

[Into]

But I thought 720p meant higher framerate and more effects?

Honestly, neither are terribly impressive. Jaggies or Vaseline. The multiplayer looked awful on both consoles. I guess you will get the better framerate with PS4 though.

Let's hope this is just learning curve with the new gen and things look better on both sides in a year.

They look okay, both of them, i think Killzone will murder all FPS this year in terms of graphical fidelity and visuals, now whether the gameplay will do the same, i remain skeptical, we will see.

I think when they do BF5, and we are a few years removed from this, we will look back and just laugh at this game like we laugh at Perfect Dark Zero, Toshinden and other launch games that impressed us in their heyday but later on we realized it wasent all that hot looking

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Were DF video botched to favour Xone version?
Because IGN and jackfrags comparisons looks better anyway at PS4 hardware. But at DF Xone version seems too dark to see the edges...

 

[BlazingDarkness]

I am not playing any card. You should take into consideration what people report about this on top of what you are seeing. You might prefer the "Look" of the X1 version shots, which you can emulate on PS4, but considering everyone states that PS4 looks better, I dont get your argument. Its not about cherrypicking, its about not hearing a single contrary opinion.

My 'argument' is that despite this whole song and dance of the PS4 version being technically superior, most of that is negated (visually) by the vaseline smear filter as a result of the aggressive post-processing. On a visual basis, the technically inferior Xbone version looks better because it doesn't have that blurriness. Whether the disparity is confounded further by the Xbone version having it's sharpness up to max doesn't really matter, if that's how it outputs from the box (and not just DF capture) then for me it's the most appealing, because it's more vibrant and the detail isn't muddied like with the PS4 version.
And again, this ignores all of the other stuff like FPS, which is superior on the PS4. But it still doesn't nullify that the PS4 version looks disappointing.

 

[op_ivy]

AA implementation.

Being patched seemingly as I'm reading now.

You did that on purpose, I'm sure!

lol, i did not! and thanks. i noticed it in about the 3rd or so gif that the ones i'd assumed were ps4 were not. i knew something was up as res differences are much more apparent in side by side comparisons.

 

[GashPrex]

Considering what we've seen of Killzone/Driveclub and Ryse/Forza, this all seems a bit silly