I know it bluerrier and I know why, I still prefer blurried upscaling than a 720p image, anyway it has much to do with the sharpening filter applied to the xbone version.
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DF/JF: Battlefield 4 PS4 vs XB1 videos/screens (900p PS4, 720p XB1)
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I know it bluerrier and I know why, I still prefer blurried upscaling than a 720p image, anyway it has much to do with the sharpening filter applied to the xbone version.
Just woke up, wow, what a mess lol.
So i'm confused.
Is this a capture problem or is the AA solution used for the PS4 version ruining its look ?
Cause guys i'm sorry, and sad about that but you can noticed and detail every superiority you want with your specialist eyes. From what i'm seeing there, and if it's showing what you can actually see in stores, people WILL manage to find the XBO version more sharp and impact full.
If anything that shows different devs decisions are still more important than tech. It's sad that the technically superior version looks blurry as shit. At least it's really hard to see the resolution difference like that.. When it should be fcking obvious! I mean 900p to 720p is a pretty solid downgrade right..
Also did Sony manage to ruin its advantage by having a bad capture solution for the console ? That would be so ironic..It's like the best runner didn't bring the good shoes and ended in second place. Every detail of a launch counts..
Apparently DF used their own capture solution which somehow manage to capture PS4 just fine, but turned the sharpness and contrast on the Xbone version up to 11. Of course at first glance, it looks like the Xbone version is better until you start seeing the crushed blacks and jaggies out the ass. DF finally admitted their mistake, but only after shit blew up.
djjinx2
Member
They could have easily dropped PS4 to 720p and upped the effects/AA
Imagine the shit storm though!
For them this is a great compromise and shouldnt harm sales on either side
It's going to look blurrier. It uses post process AA. However it looks extra blurry in the df captures visavis the xbone version because of the sharpness. However to me the sharpness looks really bad so I am just not seeing why the blurrier image is so bad.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Xbox One 720p no AA > 1080p 8xMSAA PC confirmed!
And all you needed was your sharpness / contrast settings changed on your TV. Man, atleast we learned something early on this console generation!
But man all this insanity and this is just game 1 out of 15 or so multiplats lol.
Let's just look at Killzone's none blurry AA solutions @ 1080p and be done with it eh?
Anyway, this console launch is going to be insanely entertaining. If people can be fooled this badly by simple image tricks, wooooo boy.
And all you needed was your sharpness / contrast settings changed on your TV. Man, atleast we learned something early on this console generation!
But man all this insanity and this is just game 1 out of 15 or so multiplats lol.
Let's just look at Killzone's none blurry AA solutions @ 1080p and be done with it eh?
Anyway, this console launch is going to be insanely entertaining. If people can be fooled this badly by simple image tricks, wooooo boy.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Just woke up, wow, what a mess lol.
So i'm confused.
Is this a capture problem or is the AA solution used for the PS4 version ruining its look ?
Cause guys i'm sorry, and sad about that but you can noticed and detail every superiority you want with your specialist eyes. From what i'm seeing there, and if it's showing what you can actually see in stores, people WILL manage to find the XBO version more sharp and impact full.
If anything that shows different devs decisions are still more important than tech. It's sad that the technically superior version looks blurry as shit. At least it's really hard to see the resolution difference like that.. When it should be fcking obvious! I mean 900p to 720p is a pretty solid downgrade right..
Also did Sony manage to ruin its advantage by having a bad capture solution for the console ? That would be so ironic..
It's a combination of both.
Xbone version seems to have a high contrast (not just because of DF capture) and the PS4 version is blurry as a result of its AA solution.
For me, the PS4 blurriness is a bigger problem than the Xbone dodgy sharpness.
Fredrik
Member
Where? There must be other pics floating around now, I've only seen the first shots plus some gifs that flip between the two where the XO pic looks sharper even when the PS4 pic was "black crushed".
Like this
We didn't have situation where one console renders in 50% higer resolution with better framerate, with additional effects
Yep, the difference is damning for MS.
PrintedCrayon
Banned
I've missed the carnage that comes with a console launch. GAF goes mad at times like these.
There certainly seems to be some sort of sharpening with the XO screens, maybe I need my eyes tested but to me some of the XO images do look better. I'm not sure if this is due to the capture equipment or something else. The videos would suggest PS4 has the advantage (at least in terms of frame rate and AO).
There certainly seems to be some sort of sharpening with the XO screens, maybe I need my eyes tested but to me some of the XO images do look better. I'm not sure if this is due to the capture equipment or something else. The videos would suggest PS4 has the advantage (at least in terms of frame rate and AO).
Deus Ex Machina
Member
OP needs to remove the captures from the first post...
Theres no missing clouds would you believe, so I've been told.
Sums up the thread/issue beautifully. PS4 looks damn near the high end PC. those saying XBONE version looks better than the PC version... Smh. I just don't know...
GameSeeker
Member
My observations:
1) The Digital Foundry footage is clearly botched and not useful for doing comparisons. You need to look at all the other comparison footage floating around the Internet to draw any conclusions.
2) For the next gen consoles trying to do comparisons with low bit rate, high compression Youtube videos is mostly worthless. We need comparison videos that are 20-30Mbit/s at least, none of this 5 Mbit/s Youtube stuff.
3) The PS4 at 900p has a large advantage over the 720p Xbone, but the low-bit rate video muddies all the fine detail you should see from having higher resolution.
4) BF4 looks to be CPU bound on the PS4 which is why we get 900p and not 1080p. This is purely DICE Fail. Every other launch game for the PS4 is 1080p, DICE just spent more of their time working on current gen and MANTLE and didn't spend much time optimizing the PS4 version. Prediction: For BF5 DICE will use GPGPU to offset the Jaguar CPU's in the PS4 and magically BF5 will run at 1080p (and maybe the Xbone gets to 900p).
1) The Digital Foundry footage is clearly botched and not useful for doing comparisons. You need to look at all the other comparison footage floating around the Internet to draw any conclusions.
2) For the next gen consoles trying to do comparisons with low bit rate, high compression Youtube videos is mostly worthless. We need comparison videos that are 20-30Mbit/s at least, none of this 5 Mbit/s Youtube stuff.
3) The PS4 at 900p has a large advantage over the 720p Xbone, but the low-bit rate video muddies all the fine detail you should see from having higher resolution.
4) BF4 looks to be CPU bound on the PS4 which is why we get 900p and not 1080p. This is purely DICE Fail. Every other launch game for the PS4 is 1080p, DICE just spent more of their time working on current gen and MANTLE and didn't spend much time optimizing the PS4 version. Prediction: For BF5 DICE will use GPGPU to offset the Jaguar CPU's in the PS4 and magically BF5 will run at 1080p (and maybe the Xbone gets to 900p).
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
Textures look better on xbox!!!
same textures in both games. Gmafb.
blurredvision
Member
Who care what most people can tell? Those people. The fact of the matter is that a neutral party could easily find the X1 version better looking than the PS4 and that is infuriating some of you. It's humorous.
You deserve a quote. These people are in for a rude awakening.
It also turns out these things are not a design decision by DICE but due to shitty capture methods.
A PC vs. XBox One video from golem.de:
They don't say straight out that they are showing the X1 version due to some NDA mentioned in the article but you can see it's the Xbox One version if you look at the button prompt top right.
http://video.golem.de/games/11915/battlefield-4-grafikvergleich-(next-gen-konsolen-vs.-pc).html
PC Specs:
CPU AMD FX-8350 (errrr)
ASUS MB Sabertooth 990FX Rev. 2.0 Asus,
8 GByte RAM DDR3-1833-CL 10
2x AMD Radeon 7990 Crossfire
They say Xbox One players get medium PC settings...
They don't say straight out that they are showing the X1 version due to some NDA mentioned in the article but you can see it's the Xbox One version if you look at the button prompt top right.
http://video.golem.de/games/11915/battlefield-4-grafikvergleich-(next-gen-konsolen-vs.-pc).html
PC Specs:
CPU AMD FX-8350 (errrr)
ASUS MB Sabertooth 990FX Rev. 2.0 Asus,
8 GByte RAM DDR3-1833-CL 10
2x AMD Radeon 7990 Crossfire
They say Xbox One players get medium PC settings...
Stiflers Mom
Banned
As almost always in this kind of thread:
I don't see any difference, and don't give a shit about framedrops every now and then, when the game as a whole runs well on fixed 30 or 60 fps.
Guess I am not hardcore enough.
I don't see any difference, and don't give a shit about framedrops every now and then, when the game as a whole runs well on fixed 30 or 60 fps.
Guess I am not hardcore enough.
Mr Moose
Member
People might just watch the video (like the DF one in this thread) and say OMG PS4 looks shit!
Digital Foundry admitted to playing with the capture settings. The capture provided by DICE looks nothing like that.Just woke up, wow, what a mess lol.
So i'm confused.
Is this a capture problem or is the AA solution used for the PS4 version ruining its look ?
Cause guys i'm sorry, and sad about that but you can noticed and detail every superiority you want with your specialist eyes. From what i'm seeing there, and if it's showing what you can actually see in stores, people WILL manage to find the XBO version more sharp and impact full.
If anything that shows different devs decisions are still more important than tech. It's sad that the technically superior version looks blurry as shit. At least it's really hard to see the resolution difference like that.. When it should be fcking obvious! I mean 900p to 720p is a pretty solid downgrade right..
Also did Sony manage to ruin its advantage by having a bad capture solution for the console ? That would be so ironic..
And aliasing ? Xbone version is without any AA at 720p picture IQ is sea of shimering aliasingg
Whiteshirt
Member
Nothing wrong with the FX-8350. It should actually scale pretty well with Battlefield 4 all things considered.
Ambient Occlusion. Here's from Blender 3D, but you can see the AO as a tiny "shadow" where the box and the ground meet. It's a subtle effect when isolated, but it makes games look a lot less flat.
This is from Nvidia. You can google and get a lot more comparisons.
IAmRandom31
Banned
720p, no AA, no AO, no AF, and medium details, still with framerate issues in the SP mode? Then they want to add AO? I dunno will DICE allow sub 30fps framerates in MP?
dont forget that folks, we have lots of MP footage of the PS4 version looking just fine. 45-60fps. No X1 multiplayer footage yet.
I like how both of you continue with this hardware upscaler FUD even though you have been repeatedly called out about it in this thread. I knew this would happen.
Ambient Occlusion. Here's from Blender 3D, but you can see the AO as a tiny "shadow" where the box and the ground meet. It's a subtle effect when isolated, but can give the whole picture a lot more depth and look more natural.
This is from Nvidia. You can google and get a lot more comparisons.
Does anyone know how taxing AO is? Wouldnt that mean the X1 version will get even more framerate issues once they implement it?
BlazingDarkness
Member
Fair enough.
For me, the blurriness is the worst of the two because it muddies a lot of detail, offsetting some of the PS4s advantages.
The only thing the sharpness on Xbone does is make the colours and lighting stand out more, which for me is fine, even if the blacks obscure some details.
HiredN00bs
Member
Who would have guessed a year ago that by the launch of next generation consoles, Microsoft fans would sound like Nintendo fans?
But it's not better looking. This footage is not a fair comparison.
Can you not tell the huge difference in contrast? Are you really being fooled that easily? Do you actually think that looks good? It works fir some scenes but at others it's clear to see the loss on detail and over saturated colors.
It's really not. It's clear that the PS4 is obviously more capable than the Xbone from these shots, but no regular user that doesn't sit with their eyeballs glued to their television is going to notice these little inconsistencies while in action playing the game.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Well, you can't see FPS, so if we're discussing purely on a visual basis, it doesn't matter.
Riky
$MSFT
It's the texture on the wall/window ledge? at the bottom that strikes me, it loses all detail on PS4.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
So the secret sauce is a sharpening filter and a gamma curve to artificially make the image look more "vibrant" but actually causes a loss in image detail.
Well it worked on Gaffers.
Well it worked on Gaffers.
UnObtainium17
Member
wow ps4 looks like shit. Xbone is too sharp, tho it seems to have better lighting.. Damn I would probably mistake it as bf3 once I'm playing it on tv.
edit wtf I would have thoughtthis is straight up ps3/360 if those pics weren't labeled
edit wtf I would have thoughtthis is straight up ps3/360 if those pics weren't labeled
Amazing screen from the IGN footage:
LOLOL
Da fuck... Is that Battlefield 2?
.mp4 link for this footage - http://vcdn.computec.de/ct/2013/10/54660_hd.mp4 (289mb)
Make sure to visit the site so they get some hits/ad revenue.
SniperHunter
Banned
I can't believe the ps4 version has hbao. If they had removed it, the game would run at 60 fps
eot
Banned
It's weird to me that people think the XBO version looks better in screens like this:
http://i.minus.com/ihrijghdqxM3C.gif
Go fullscreen and look at the stairs or the statues or anything. The sharpening filter only makes it worse.
http://i.minus.com/ihrijghdqxM3C.gif
Go fullscreen and look at the stairs or the statues or anything. The sharpening filter only makes it worse.
Depends on what AO you use and where you're bottlenecked. The one in Blender is veeery taxing, but it is possible to get AO on current gen consoles. Someone with more knowledge probably knows if it is taxing on memory bandwidth which would make a lot of sense.
720p to 900p, less effects and up to 12FPS difference is not a little inconsistency, lol.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Both have aliasing, Xbone has much more, but I still see it on the PS4 version.
Ehhh. I would disagree with all of that except for the 50% part. PS3 to 360 in the middle of the gen was often that stuff (see GTAIV) just at a slightly less resolution difference.
Don't get me wrong. I understand the performance difference. I'm just saying once you get outside of GAF that won't be directly correlated to sales. Absolutely "good enough" comes into play here for many. Especially dudebro who has been backing the hardly graphical superiority of CoD which hasn't been reference level since the original MW.
Will they also fail to notice the significant difference in framerate?
Gemüsepizza
Member
I tried several programs/websites to download this, but it seems Youtube has made some changes to prevent downloading 1080p and higher content. I have a similar problem, when I want to view the videos in 1440p my Flash plugin crashes. I have no idea why, those are the latest versions. It would be really great if someone finds a way to download this stuff in 1440p.
derExperte
Member
I want to add that the final PC version has the rain effects, played through that part yesterday. Also he mentions that he noticed during playing that the PS4 isn't 1080p. Other than that almost 1:1 though I want to see more MP videos to be able to judge pop-in's etc.