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[dengatron]

Hope this works well by launch for people looking to get an xbone, but I don't know how well it'd work for my friends when their internet already dies just from streaming youtube via wifi without any other things going on. Seems like it'll be pretty network heavy.

 

[Caayn]

That's way I said- "In order to chat you'd have to have some type of keyboard attached (not sure if possible), use speech recognition (not sure if possible), or hit the snap button, go into the chat window and use the controller for input." because I don't know it's going to work yet.

While completely ignoring the option to use voice chat. Something that I would guess is way more important than text chat in twitch stream. I don't know if you've ever used twitch, in my experience it's almost impossible to keep track of what's going on in the textchat. Let alone respond properly, even with a keyboard and the speed at which you can type.

After reading the past couple of pages it is clear to me that some people are truly incapable of seeing any positive uses of the snap feature. You, weekend_warrior, are one of those people.

 

[weekend_warrior]

You asserted that snapping twitch is a negative because it "requires" a keyboard to chat with viewers, ignoring the large positive fact that you can just chat directly via Kinect/headset without ever taking you eyes or hands away from the game.

Ignoring positives to invent negatives.

Why would I include voice chat as a positive for Snap? You can use voice chat whether you're using snap or using a tablet. It's a moot point. And for people not using voice chat, yes text chat will be shittier using a controller then using a keyboard, hence why I included that. It's not an invented negative.

Plus I already said-

A- Minimize my game in one window while twitch chat is going in another windows.

Advantages- minimal eye travel from game to chat.
Disadvantages- minimized screen size for game. 2. In order to chat you'd have to have some type of keyboard attached (not sure if possible), use speech recognition (not sure if possible), or hit the snap button, go into the chat window and use the controller for input. Distraction from having your game and chat going at the same time on the same screen.

or

B- Have twitch open on a tablet/PC that you keep nearby

Advantages- Maximum game screen size and performance from console. Quick to lean over, check chat and use keyboard to type. Less distraction from chat.
Disadvantages- need to have laptop/tablet, have to take eyes away from screen longer to check chat.

 

[p3tran]

So it didn't crash. Lucky boy. MS reps probably had a kill room prepped and waiting in case something went wrong.

..
maybe it was running in a pc, thats why it did not crash.
there is absolutely no chance that this OS will be stable on the xbone. right?

 

[Dukey]

While completely ignoring the option to use voice chat. Something that I would guess is way more important than text chat in twitch stream. I don't know if you've ever used twitch, in my experience it's almost impossible to keep track of what's going on in the textchat. Let alone respond properly, even with a keyboard and the speed at which you can type.

After reading the past couple of pages it is clear to me that some people are truly incapable of seeing any positive uses of the snap feature. You, weekend_warrior, are one of those people.

Exactly. Many Twitch streamers have friends that serve as admins during a stream. Typing and streaming is just stupid, and a non-factor. Besides, with the ability to block parts of the game from streaming, most people aren't going to use the app anyway.

 

[flamingotripod]

Some people take this shit way too seriously

 

[weekend_warrior]

While completely ignoring the option to use voice chat. Something that I would guess is way more important than text chat in twitch stream. I don't know if you've ever used twitch, in my experience it's almost impossible to keep track of what's going on in the textchat. Let alone respond properly, even with a keyboard and the speed at which you can type.

After reading the past couple of pages it is clear to me that some people are truly incapable of seeing any positive uses of the snap feature. You, weekend_warrior, are one of those people.

I didn't mention "ability to stream directly from the xbox" or "accept game invites" either because they're irreverent to the comparison of multi-tasking with Snap versus multitasking with a tablet/PC. For some reason that's not getting through to some of you people.

 

[Chumpion]

..
maybe it was running in a pc, thats why it did not crash.
there is absolutely no chance that this OS will be stable on the xbone. right?

It could be stable. Not because of sound engineering, but because a million code monkeys died while patching it up. If I were an MS exec, though, I'd have another million monkeys locked in a warehouse doing nothing but mock-ups in a completely separate code base. Because what the OS actually is makes no fucking difference. It is what people perceive it to be.

 

[jem0208]

Hope this works well by launch for people looking to get an xbone, but I don't know how well it'd work for my friends when their internet already dies just from streaming youtube via wifi without any other things going on. Seems like it'll be pretty network heavy.

I don't see why would it be network heavy.

 

[abadguy]

In this thread, many people get angry about a feature they don't want on a system they're not buying.

.

 

[Caayn]

I didn't mention "ability to stream directly from the xbox" or "accept game invites" either because they're irreverent to the comparison of multi-tasking with Snap versus multitasking with a tablet/PC. For some reason that's not getting through to some of you people.

So voice chat is irrelevant? Learn something new every day. You better go ahead and spread the word, many millions of gamers are chatting the wrong way.

 

[p3tran]

It could be stable. Not because of sound engineering, but because a million code monkeys died while patching it up. If I were an MS exec, though, I'd have another million monkeys locked in a warehouse doing nothing but mock-ups in a completely separate code base. Because what the OS actually is makes no fucking difference. It is what people perceive it to be.

so its a mock-up?
and what do you mean "it makes no difference what it is, only what people perceive it to be"?
you are aware that in less than 20 days this thing will be in the hands of the consumers, right?

 

[NullPointer]

So voice chat is irrelevant? Learn something new every day. You better go ahead and spread the word, many millions of gamers are chatting the wrong way.

I don't really use voice chat much myself, preferring text unless we were in a party.

But even then I just used a laptop or tablet via xbox.com. I think even with snap that'd be my preferred method. Maybe I'm weird though.

 

[Caayn]

I don't really use voice chat much myself, preferring text unless we were in a party.

But even then I just used a laptop or tablet via xbox.com. I think even with snap that'd be my preferred method. Maybe I'm weird though.

That wasn't what I was trying to get to. I also don't use voice for 100% of my communication. But saying that voice chat is "irrelevant" is crazy.

 

[Scooby]

In this thread, many people get angry about a feature they don't want on a system they're not buying.

 

[weekend_warrior]

So voice chat is irrelevant? Learn something new every day. You better go ahead and spread the word, many millions of gamers are chatting the wrong way.

I hope you're not serious with this post.

The reading comprehension is this thread is appalling.

 

[Vestal]

In this thread, many people get angry about a feature they don't want on a system they're not buying.

It's a fucking shame that this applies to every single Microsoft related thread.

 

[Caayn]

I hope you're not serious with this post.

The reading comprehension is this thread is appalling.

You do realize that only the first sentence is serious?

 

[p3tran]

It's a fucking shame that this applies to every single Microsoft related thread.

 

[Insane Metal]

In this thread, many people get angry about a feature they don't want on a system they're not buying.

I haven't read throught the whole thread, but what are ppl complaining about? The Snap feature?

 

[weekend_warrior]

You do realize that only the first sentence is serious?

If you're implying that I said voice chat is irreverent then you need to go back to school and re-learn how to read.

I haven't read throught the whole thread, but what are ppl complaining about? The Snap feature?

Mostly that the snap feature isn't as useful as it's being made out to be.

 

[jem0208]

I haven't read throught the whole thread, but what are ppl complaining about? The Snap feature?

Yes.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

How did we get from snap is slow and worthless to comparing text chat to voice chat?

 

[Silly.Mikey]

It's a fucking shame that this applies to every single Microsoft related thread.

SonyGaf baby

Well I hope that means things get fixed! I hate the thought of an unfinished OS ruining peoples experience.

I have a feeling next gen launch overall is gonna be like BF4, a fucking mess.

 

[GoofsterStud]

Well I hope that means things get fixed! I hate the thought of an unfinished OS ruining peoples experience.

 

[Insane Metal]

If you're implying that I said voice chat is irreverent then you need to go back to school and re-learn how to read.



Mostly that the snap feature isn't as useful as it's being made out to be.

Yes.

I see. Don't use it then? :/

 

[Megadragon15]

In this thread, many people get angry about a feature they don't want on a system they're not buying.

The funny thing is that the performance hit on XBone version of games beacuase of Snap will not have a detrimental effect on PS4 versions of games as BF4 and COD have made abundantly clear. So yeah, the complaints seem kind of petty at this point.

 

[weekend_warrior]

How did we get from snap is slow and worthless to comparing text chat to voice chat?

1. starmud suggested that it would be easier to use your phone/tablet then use snap.
2. GrizzleBoy countered that it wouldn't and gave examples.
3. I countered GrizzleBoy and gave advantages/disadvantages of snap vs tablet, one of which was that using text chat in a twitch-like app would be easier on a tablet then with a controller in snap.
4. GrizzleBoy countered that I didn't mention voice chat and was only trying to point out negatives of snap.
5. I countered that I didn't mention voice chat because in the context of a "tablet vs snap multi-tasking" argument voice chat was irrelevant because it works the exact same way for both methods.
6. Caayn accused me of calling voice chat irrelevant.

 

[Caayn]

If you're implying that I said voice chat is irreverent then you need to go back to school and re-learn how to read.

Care to join me, so you can learn how to formulate proper arguments?

I called you out because you were completely ignoring voice chat. And explained why voice is an important part of twitch, maybe even more important than text. You responded to me with the following

"I didn't mention "ability to stream directly from the xbox" or "accept game invites" either because they're irreverent to the comparison of multi-tasking with Snap versus multitasking with a tablet/PC"

So according to you! Voice in twitch is irreverent, and thus irrelevant. Only because accepting game invites and steaming from the console are irreverent, in your eyes, when compared to other options.

 

[EvB]

That's way I said- "In order to chat you'd have to have some type of keyboard attached (not sure if possible), use speech recognition (not sure if possible), or hit the snap button, go into the chat window and use the controller for input." because I don't know it's going to work yet.

I would imagine you'll be able to use any smart glass compatible device to type text also

 

[SeaOfMadness]

I see. Don't use it then? :/

well, apparently people are upset that the feature is what is taking up some of the 10% reserved so if it's not useful, it's actually detrimental since it uses resources that take away from games.

the counter argument is that it *is* useful and worth the tradeoff.

There is no right or wrong answer here. It needs to be proven useful or not. We can't do that right now so the debate goes on unresolved.

if/when we start seeing demos of practical applications that make people say "ok yeah, now *that's* cool", then maybe you could settle this.

 

[weekend_warrior]

I see. Don't use it then? :/

It's not as simple as "don't use it". The ability to run 2 applications at the same time requires resources to do (CPU, GPU, RAM, etc). I'm merely making the argument that in 2013, given the prevalence of "multi-tasking" devices such as tablets and smartphones, that a feature like this doesn't seem to be worth the hardware sacrifice. Others are welcome to counter my arguments.

 

[Insane Metal]

well, apparently people are upset that the feature is what is taking up some of the 10% reserved so if it's not useful, it's actually detrimental since it uses resources that take away from games.

the counter argument is that it *is* useful and worth the tradeoff.

There is no right or wrong answer here. It needs to be proven useful or not. We can't do that right now so the debate goes on unresolved.

if/when we start seeing demos of practical applications that make people say "ok yeah, now *that's* cool", then maybe you could settle this.

Oh, now I get it.

Personally I think it's pretty cool. And 10% of system resources don't seem like a lot... after all, with time this will be cut down to a much better number, obviously...

 

[NullPointer]

I would imagine you'll be able to use any smart glass compatible device to type text also

And like I mentioned the website works just fine for text messaging.

 

[Dukey]

If you're implying that I said voice chat is irreverent then you need to go back to school and re-learn how to read.



Mostly that the snap feature isn't as useful as it's being made out to be.

Which you deduced by your many hours of using it.

 

[Wasp]

I think the only one of these features that I want on PS4 is the ability to use the web browser without quitting the game. Can the PS4 do that does anyone know?

 

[SeaOfMadness]

Oh, now I get it.

Personally I think it's pretty cool. And 10% of system resources don't seem like a lot... after all, with time this will be cut down to a much better number, obviously...

I think it's pretty cool too, but i'd like to see it in action to confirm what I suspect is true.

 

[weekend_warrior]

Care to join me, so you can learn how to formulate proper arguments?

I called you out because you were completely ignoring voice chat. And explained why voice is an important part of twitch, maybe even more important than text. You responded to me with the following So according to you! Voice in twitch is irreverent, and thus irrelevant. Only because accepting game invites and steaming from the console are irreverent, in your eyes, when compared to other options.

I don't know how I can make this any clearer to you. I said "they're irreverent to the comparison of multi-tasking with Snap versus multitasking with a tablet/PC"

There's no difference in using voice chat when you're using Snap or when you're using a tablet to watch chat. Voice chat behaves the same. It works with either. Using Snap will not make using voice chat better. It is therefore irrelevant to the comparison. To the comparison, not in general, just to the comparison.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

I think the only one of these features that I want on PS4 is the ability to use the web browser without quitting the game. Can the PS4 do that does anyone know?

Right I would like to see that as well. Some people are assuming you can do that but I am not so sure. Someone could ask them, I guess.

 

[Dukey]

I think the only one of these features that I want on PS4 is the ability to use the web browser without quitting the game. Can the PS4 do that does anyone know?

PS4 has app switching. So yes.

 

[Dunlop]

In this thread, many people get angry about a feature they don't want on a system they're not buying.

This should be the first post..but I guess that wouldn't make sense....

Looks pretty interesting, I'm curious to see this OS in action and what it will evolve into over the years.

The fumbles are stopping me from getting the xb1 as my first console but people are kidding themselves if they think the os will not smoke Sony's.

Arguments of feature disparities well be derailed by the presence of ads and Sony's slow updates will be because the os it's already prefect like the PS3

 

[pelican]

The question on my mind is why would anyone want to use IE and Bing?

I'm not against the snapping ability, but I'm not sure how useful it really will be. Browsing on the console is a poor substitute to using a second screen.

 

[weekend_warrior]

I think the only one of these features that I want on PS4 is the ability to use the web browser without quitting the game. Can the PS4 do that does anyone know?

Not quite. PS4 has the "pause and resume" feature, which isn't available at launch btw, that lets you pause the game, leave it, use another app like internet, then resume where you left off. Hopefully pretty quickly, I think it saves your save state in the RAM so the transition is quick.

 

[Vestal]

nah. I just don't give a shit. I'm part of HeatGaf so I have grown accustomed to this type of conversation.

 

[Raymo]

Not quite. PS4 has the "pause and resume" feature, which isn't available at launch btw, that lets you pause the game, leave it, use another app like internet, then resume where you left off. Hopefully pretty quickly, I think it saves your save state in the RAM so the transition is quick.

What you described is available at launch. Putting the PS4 into standby mode with the game running and then resuming when you turn it back on is not at launch. In other words, you can jump out of PS4 games at launch without quitting to use netflix and stuff.

 

[SPDIF]

The question on my mind is why would anyone want to use IE and Bing?

I'm not against the snapping ability, but I'm not sure how useful it really will be. Browsing on the console is a poor substitute to using a second screen.

So use Google. And IE hasn't been terrible since IE9. The latest version (IE11) is actually a very good browser. Very fast and very secure. The only thing it lacks is the thousands of add-ons that Chrome and Firefox have.

 

[EvB]

And like I mentioned the website works just fine for text messaging.

Yeah I often do that if my laptop is nearby or just send a message via the app.

I just meant for text input in general, instead of on screen keyboardsz

 

[Dukey]

Not quite. PS4 has the "pause and resume" feature, which isn't available at launch btw, that lets you pause the game, leave it, use another app like internet, then resume where you left off. Hopefully pretty quickly, I think it saves your save state in the RAM so the transition is quick.

Man, you're full of all kinds of bad information. It's available at PS4 launch. Sleep/Resume isn't.

 

[dengatron]

I don't see why would it be network heavy.

playing a game on xbox live and streaming from youtube is rough on 10 megabit internet. doesn't work so well. i only have 15 megabit internet.

 

[weekend_warrior]

What you described is available at launch. Putting the PS4 into standby mode with the game running and then resuming when you turn it back on is not at launch. In other words, you can jump out of PS4 games at launch without quitting to use netflix and stuff.

Man, you're full of all kinds of bad information. It's available at PS4 launch. Sleep/Resume isn't.

Is that so? Why were people such up in arms about it then? Pausing to use a different app seems much more useful then saving a little loading time whenever you put the PS4 to sleep.