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Pennello: "People just weren't ready for all digital Xbox One". Post #657 = ether.
- Thread starter Jomjom
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Good thing RedBox does not exist in your mind.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I kind of wish that Microsoft had gone with their original vision. I really wanted to see the result. I don't think it would have been as bad as some (including myself) has predicted. But when it came to the punch they were too cowardly to follow through.
Barakov
Member
The thing that still bothers me about the XBox One, more so than the price, is that MS seems intent on bringing back those policies. There are many pro and cons for a digital future but the biggest problem with Microsoft's vision of a digital future is how restrictive their policies are.
That's a hell of a dark cloud hanging over your system that's launching in a couple of weeks.
That's a hell of a dark cloud hanging over your system that's launching in a couple of weeks.
dugdug
Banned
I have a proposal Albert (since I'm guessing you will read this thread). Why doesn't Microsoft inform us what exactly your vision was because you were never really clear, instead of telling us we weren't ready for it? I am genuinely curious to know. Maybe it really was as great as you make it sound.
It seems to me that this is the road Microsoft wants to take. I would recommend starting the sales pitch early. Tell people what you want to do with digital in the near future. Tell us about the benefits and convince us, and maybe even listen to the feedback that you might be able to use. Because even in five years or so, you're likely going to meet the same resistance if you try to do it without the discussion on your end.
It seems to me that this is the road Microsoft wants to take. I would recommend starting the sales pitch early. Tell people what you want to do with digital in the near future. Tell us about the benefits and convince us, and maybe even listen to the feedback that you might be able to use. Because even in five years or so, you're likely going to meet the same resistance if you try to do it without the discussion on your end.
Because giving the option to buy digital if you can and physical for those who can't sucks, right?
His framing is very disingenuous.
It wasn't JUST an all-digital future from Xbox that was the problem. It was a majority of their policies surrounding that decision, from check-ins to trade-ins.
And then there's his drive-by observation that a "rational" conversation did not occur; basically implying that consumers/gamers were the irrational ones in the debacle.
It's insulting on both counts.
It wasn't JUST an all-digital future from Xbox that was the problem. It was a majority of their policies surrounding that decision, from check-ins to trade-ins.
And then there's his drive-by observation that a "rational" conversation did not occur; basically implying that consumers/gamers were the irrational ones in the debacle.
It's insulting on both counts.
Matrix XII
Member
My sentiments exactly. I won't forget what they tried to pull on us. They lost me as a customer.
Mass Effect
Member
Oh please, you don't have to do shit. You can easily download the game you want from the digital store on the console of your choosing. Options, how do they work?
And while I agree that if they felt that strongly about their vision they should have stuck with it, it's probably safe to assume that the system would have bombed. Hard.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Yes, and I'm not really arguing against that. What I was suggesting was that -- even if I assume Microsoft was capable of getting this service just right on day one -- they still were going to have a fight on their hands in getting console consumers to embrace this type of DRM. As I said, I'm not convinced that Microsoft was committed to winning people over here and was instead expecting more complacency from the consumer-base.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
This.
Physical media is not going away until we get much better internet connectivity. Lets download a 50gb game onto a 500gb drive, that sounds fun.
MS didn't have the guts to go "all digital", they still tried to sell discs and told people to "use your phone tethering feature for mandatory 24h check-ins". Yeah MS, you wanted all that sweet monies from disk sales and fuck those customers over with stupid policies.
You want to go all digital? Then go all digital and cut loose those disk buying customers and bring in some good policies for your remaining all digital customers.
Oh you want those disk buying customers too? Yeah tough luck then....
You want to go all digital? Then go all digital and cut loose those disk buying customers and bring in some good policies for your remaining all digital customers.
Oh you want those disk buying customers too? Yeah tough luck then....
I think they were maybe looking at the success of the App Store and thinking to themselves, let's copy that for our platform, not realizing that a phone in your pocket is a completely different paradigm.
If I trusted MS at all, I might agree that an all digital future would be great, but since I don't, having no rights to my purchases just seems like I'm getting screwed in every way possible. I'm not sure how they can't see this.
If I trusted MS at all, I might agree that an all digital future would be great, but since I don't, having no rights to my purchases just seems like I'm getting screwed in every way possible. I'm not sure how they can't see this.
Ziltoidia 9
Member
The patch you get on XBO at launch will slowly be unraveled as the system's life continues, until MS gets what they originally wanted.
Zombie James
Banned
No, you fucking idiot. What you were wrong about was trying to lock people into a system where publishers gave users "permission" to lend games they bought and own, while at the same time preventing people from playing any games at all if they didn't check in with Papa Microsoft once a day.
I don't know if this guy's being stupid on purpose or if he really is this out of touch.
Blows my mind anyone from MS would be stupid enough to brig this up - suggesting they still want to move in this direction - so close to launch to remind the early adopters just how much MS wants to stomp on our basic consumer rights.
MS cant exit the console space soon enough. Their future is exclusionary garbage
MS cant exit the console space soon enough. Their future is exclusionary garbage
not_so_special
Banned
oh yes..we have..thats why they have made the whole 180 ridiculous thing
Doomshroom
Member
First we have that Elop guy (maybe the new CEO) saying things like i want to sell the Xbox division showing no faith in the product. And now Albert are blaming the consumers for thier lack of vision and understandning.
All this just a few weeks before the biggest launch in Xbox history. I thought the PR department would have these guys on a tight leash by now. Atleast they should have, anyway im sure this is going to be a fun thread.
All this just a few weeks before the biggest launch in Xbox history. I thought the PR department would have these guys on a tight leash by now. Atleast they should have, anyway im sure this is going to be a fun thread.
Yeah, I don't agree with many of the drive by posts about the digital-only future, as I already live in one.
But it's one I'm in control of, without the same restrictions, caveats and hidden agendas.
entremet
Member
Both actually. If you don't think that Netflix had a role in BB demise, you're mistaken.
I think that this is just matter of time. Year or two and they will slowly reintroduce them in some extent.
This is just my opinion, before somebody hangs on this.
That isn't why. You never had another choice on phones or an ipod. So when you buy that season of X show on iTunes or whatever service you use it doesn't matter. With games people have previous generations of hardware and things were done a certain way. So everyone expects that the options that were there in previous generations to always be there.
They are gonna kill RedBox like they are trying to kill Netflix don't worry.
No way will they ever explain what their true vision was, no way. I mean just after the 180 they were saying "sorry folks, because the majority don't want our DRM in place the super-duper-awesome Family Plan (which we never explained to actually be what the fans dreamed it was) will ever work now. So neener neener, you fucked up by making us change."
krypt0nian
Banned
Blaming their potential customers will really get us all back.
Giving Microsoft even more control, on a completely closed platform, with one store for distribution, the ability to stop supporting titles/servers at their whim, and for them then to tell you our next console doesn't support anything you already purchased is why full-digital distribution on consoles is a great risk to the user.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Valve agrees with Albert.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
I miss the DRM. I wanted to be able to buy a physical disc and then automatically have access to the digital version. Not having to ever swap discs again but also not being forced to pay the fucking ridiculous prices digital games normally cost. All the positives of a digital version of a game but being able to buy it at retail for less terrible prices.
You all ruined everything. Now the only advantage Xbox One has over PS4 is kinect. I should probably consider myself lucky they didn't scrap that too.
You all ruined everything. Now the only advantage Xbox One has over PS4 is kinect. I should probably consider myself lucky they didn't scrap that too.
LowerLevel
Member
That's why, unless it's a collectible I feel I must have, I will be digitally buying my games from Live this gen. I hate Game Stop and Best Buy SO much now it isn't funny. And if I can get a good deal, physical will be from Amazon... for now.
Digital wasn't the problem. It was requiring an internet connection for things that don't require an internet connection that was the problem. They can pretend having it to phone home every 2 hours was necessary to add some sort of amazing functionality, but most people know that is complete bullshit.
Outside the fact that it will never be an easy sell to get people to be accepting of not having any ownership of what they have bought, the only place an all digital gaming ecosystem would be viable is places with fiberoptic connections and unlimited bandwidth so basically parts of Japan, South Korea, and the what 3 US Cities with Google fiber-wire.
Sir Garbageman
Member
This.
krypt0nian
Banned
Valve isn't the only store on the platform.
soul creator
Member
No, they wanted to change how game disc resale, rentals, and trade-ins work on the Xbox One. The console software market is more than just the Xbox One, after all.
BRocknRolla
Member
If by, "People weren't ready to take the leap," Penello means, "People weren't ready to have someone force a business model on them that didn't allow them proper rights and controls over their digital content," then yes, I agree. But I doubt that's what you mean.
And as for that "rationale conversation," how about starting it by asking people what people really want instead of saying, "This is the inevitable future, so get used to it." Then again, I'd imagine what you really mean by "rationale conversation" is, "Listen to our PR team tell you why this is what you want."
The "all digital future" sounds great, and I look forward to it, but not without proper markets for competition, and not without rights to control my digital content as I see fit.
And as for that "rationale conversation," how about starting it by asking people what people really want instead of saying, "This is the inevitable future, so get used to it." Then again, I'd imagine what you really mean by "rationale conversation" is, "Listen to our PR team tell you why this is what you want."
The "all digital future" sounds great, and I look forward to it, but not without proper markets for competition, and not without rights to control my digital content as I see fit.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
Fuck your digital future. Fuck it to hell. Good riddance. Literally nothing of value was lost when you had to tuck your tails between your legs and go back on your bullshit.
I am impressed that the steady stream of PR bullshit backed up by the enthusiast media failed to sway the public view on what was blatantly anti-consumer garbage, so I'm happy to see that the general consumer isn't quite ready to just swallow down whatever shit is being forced down their throats.
I am impressed that the steady stream of PR bullshit backed up by the enthusiast media failed to sway the public view on what was blatantly anti-consumer garbage, so I'm happy to see that the general consumer isn't quite ready to just swallow down whatever shit is being forced down their throats.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
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