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Pennello: "People just weren't ready for all digital Xbox One". Post #657 = ether.
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statham
Member
and they just started a streaming service a few months back. Guess they see it too.
The argument here wasn't about whether or not digital distribution is going to be more common for video games, like Penello is trying to say at the end of the article. And it wasn't about whether Microsoft 'had a chance' to explain its vision. Because it did, and it botched it, and a lot of the details that made this vision whole were unappealing and one-sided on their own merits. And if Microsoft feels like it botched the explanation, then do a better job for starters. That excuse shouldn't make people feel better about investing a lot of money over five years, for something they can't adequately explain.
And what is the point of even talking about this anymore except to remind a lot of early movers that: 1) Microsoft botched this conversation, 2) the Xbox One vision has a lot of unappealing aspects to it and 3) the nasty stuff is something that still appeals to Microsoft? Why exhume this in an Engadget article?
And what is the point of even talking about this anymore except to remind a lot of early movers that: 1) Microsoft botched this conversation, 2) the Xbox One vision has a lot of unappealing aspects to it and 3) the nasty stuff is something that still appeals to Microsoft? Why exhume this in an Engadget article?
I'll be glad to just see MS exit this industry, we don't need their vision and certainly don't need a corporation with that kind of monay and influence pushing that vision again in the future.
I think the resounding outrage that was shown after the Xbone reveal was pretty clear cut, but these guys will never stop trying.
I think the resounding outrage that was shown after the Xbone reveal was pretty clear cut, but these guys will never stop trying.
The general, "this is anti-consumer" feeling regarding the move to an all digital future was there for MS to see, if they were paying attention.
Hell I don't even agree with the group of people who feel so strongly that this was MS trying to STICK it to all consumers. However as MS never had a campaign to battle that discussion (highlighting whatever positives it would have had) the fault ultimately lies with them.
In fact while I have no hate for MS or Albert at all, I think their biggest failure with the ONE has been a lack of consistent and accurate communication over it's strength and abilities and only MS can be held accountable for that.
Hell I don't even agree with the group of people who feel so strongly that this was MS trying to STICK it to all consumers. However as MS never had a campaign to battle that discussion (highlighting whatever positives it would have had) the fault ultimately lies with them.
In fact while I have no hate for MS or Albert at all, I think their biggest failure with the ONE has been a lack of consistent and accurate communication over it's strength and abilities and only MS can be held accountable for that.
DD works when it's a net benfit to the consumer. This usually happens with the improvement in convenience (from fast internet speeds, pre loading, fast downloads, etc), prices (from competition and lower costs of distribution) and features (like your games being tied to an account so you can play them even if you lose the disc, better tiered pricing, etc).
Internet speeds aren't there in much of the world.
There is no competition on the store, so consumers don't get the pricing benefits.
Tiered pricing only exists when there is NO physical version, or if companies realize they can make more money by pricing their digital versions more cheaply and still make more money off volume increases.
Internet speeds aren't there in much of the world.
There is no competition on the store, so consumers don't get the pricing benefits.
Tiered pricing only exists when there is NO physical version, or if companies realize they can make more money by pricing their digital versions more cheaply and still make more money off volume increases.
*Facepalm*
This clearly proves that Microsoft hasn't learned their lesson. People don't want to be forced to go all digital when they're not ready to, nor do we like DRM.
I agree. I also never believed that Microsoft have gotten rid of DRM entirely.
This clearly proves that Microsoft hasn't learned their lesson. People don't want to be forced to go all digital when they're not ready to, nor do we like DRM.
I agree. I also never believed that Microsoft have gotten rid of DRM entirely.
Too bad because whether or not MS does it, it's gonna happen.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
This kinda crap is why I'm never buying the Xbone.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Steam box disagrees with you.
UberTag
Member
Better launch games or amazingly slick OS or not, every single dollar that you spend on an Xbox One product of any kind is your way of telling Microsoft "we agree with your concept of an all-digital, always online DRM paradise".
Until Microsoft says "they were wrong and they will not pursue it again in the future" that remains the case.
Gamers sent a message this past June by how they allocated their pre-order dollars but backtracking at this juncture only tells Microsoft that THEY were right and WE were wrong.
Think about that in a couple weeks while you're enjoying your copy of Forza Motorsport 5, Ryse or Dead Rising 3.
Microsoft will twist your purchase commitment and rationalize it as backing their vision of DRM and digital.
No they don't. They would tell you people are ready for it but the company behind the push needs to treat the consumer with the proper respect and explain what they're trying to do clearly to ease the natural fears of a DD only platform. Microsoft didn't do that. They told us to sit down and shut the fuck up and take what they were saying as the absolute truth.
bigboss370
Member
Yes, blame us for not accepting "the future" MS, not yourselves and your shitty policies. jesus christ.
not_so_special
Banned
cant wait to download 50 gb for every game...
Steve Youngblood
Member
Unless my sarcasm detector is simply broken, I really, really hate this argument. The fact that "consumers ruined" their vision is more of an indictment against Microsoft's lack of commitment than it is the ability of the irrational, angry mob to "force" companies to change course. If they truly believe in the all-digital future, capitulating to the consumer-base and offering the physical editions of yesteryear could also be an opportunity to win people over to digital by optionally offering that service still. Allow retailers to sell digital version of the game alongside standard physical copies.
Conceding "you win" and giving up shop doesn't demonstrate to me why their original vision was better.
SwiftDeath
Member
Valve just implemented a mandatory 24 hour check in and stopped doing its awesome sales?
News to me
There are many many other differences of course
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
They wanted full control over every aspect of your purchase. It's that simple.
chickdigger802
Banned
they should have asked people on the street if they were ready for 40gb downloads for every game where for many isp the data cap is about 100gb a month.
Bingo.
We saw what they had to offer, to the extent they were willing to show it. They had a "rational conversation" with gamers. And gamers saw it for what it was: one-sided. Unconscionable.
somesayyea
Member
it's quite unbelievable that after their 180s they're still spouting this nonsense
Uno Venova
Banned
Who's implementing some of the bad policies MS had?
Pretty much. The obvious plan the suits have right now is to kill physical media and to lock down the internet. They will make more profit selling digital since they can cut out the costs that come with media being physical.
Zombie James
Banned
I agree that an all-digital future is inevitable, but the way Microsoft wants to fuck over consumers isn't. There are and will be better ways to go about this.
Hahahah, people are ready you arrogant assholes. They just don't trust you to deliver it. Do these people really not understand that our problem isn't with DD, it's with Microsoft trying to take a short cut into getting us into their walled garden? Steam, Apple, Google, Netflix, etc... had to earn our trust through years of iterating and increasing the value proposition. You can't just wake up one morning and expect to get what they have without earning it first.
Goodacre0081
Member
I guess they weren't ready for 1080P either
Aizu_Itsuko
Member
No.
Dear Microsoft.
Stop blaming gamers.
Plenty of people are using Steam right now. The difference is Steam's model is giving gamers a good deal, while yours wasn't. You designed a system thinking about what was good for you and your partners, not gamers, and thus they didn't like the deal. Now your PR guys keep telling the world that you were just too awesome, that they weren't ready for your great ideas and plenty of people are rolling their eyes at every word. The sooner you realize this, the better.
It's time to have some humble pie. Ask Sony for leftovers.
Dear Microsoft.
Stop blaming gamers.
Plenty of people are using Steam right now. The difference is Steam's model is giving gamers a good deal, while yours wasn't. You designed a system thinking about what was good for you and your partners, not gamers, and thus they didn't like the deal. Now your PR guys keep telling the world that you were just too awesome, that they weren't ready for your great ideas and plenty of people are rolling their eyes at every word. The sooner you realize this, the better.
It's time to have some humble pie. Ask Sony for leftovers.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Side question, has anyone tried this? Is it on par with Netflix SUPERHD!?
Fix the problems with Internet in this country (USA) and others and your future may happen. Otherwise it never will. Data caps (even at 300GB) are paltry if you are downloading 50GB+ games. There will never be all digital console when you can completely max your internet downloading a couple games each month.
This doesn't even include watching Youtube or Netflix which already stress the bandwidth limits that everyone is allotted.
Remove the caps, up the bandwidth and your "digital future" may come.
This doesn't even take into account everywhere else in the world with 50GB caps or less.
This doesn't even include watching Youtube or Netflix which already stress the bandwidth limits that everyone is allotted.
Remove the caps, up the bandwidth and your "digital future" may come.
This doesn't even take into account everywhere else in the world with 50GB caps or less.
MR BLACKMAGIK
Member
Personally, I'll never be ready. I don't want an all digital future and I never will. It's one thing to make a 70/30 digital future for example. It's completely different when you cut out the old ways entirely. To me there is no benefit with an all digital future. It's more strict, more risky, and most importantly more expensive.
I don't like how gaming companies keep saying "It's going to happen." just because it's somewhat happened in other mediums. I can still go and buy a cd at the store and play it in a boombox! I can still go and buy a movie and play it in a dvd player! I can still rent a physical movie! Saying "Just accept it, its going to happen" is such a bullshit response. Not to mention dvd's and cd's are in the $10-$20 range, with a significant drop for digital prices. Come talk to me when full retail games are that low.
I don't like how gaming companies keep saying "It's going to happen." just because it's somewhat happened in other mediums. I can still go and buy a cd at the store and play it in a boombox! I can still go and buy a movie and play it in a dvd player! I can still rent a physical movie! Saying "Just accept it, its going to happen" is such a bullshit response. Not to mention dvd's and cd's are in the $10-$20 range, with a significant drop for digital prices. Come talk to me when full retail games are that low.
bigboss370
Member
my god didn't they apologize for this stuff already? and now, just before launch, they're going back to this dialogue? how it was the consumer's fault, because we weren't "ready"?
The way companies are gonna go is the way that maximizes profits.
Mass Effect
Member
Lol, you have no idea what you're talking about. Valve even said themselves that if people want to install [other versions of] Linux or Windows on them they're free to do so. Which, of course, allows you access to other stores.
And last time I checked, Valve doesn't require mandatory 24-hour check-ins.
They would have lost a hilarious amount of marketshare if they went through, but the problem is that their messaging was so crap that if there were benefits to their DRM we would only find out after the console launched and people guinea pig'd the system for others.
soul creator
Member
Well yes that's obviously part of it. Any type of DRM inherently will "exert control over your purchase". Sometimes that works out in the consumer's favor, and sometimes it doesn't. So it's up to consumers to weigh those pros and cons.
So I 100% agree with you. I just don't think it's this grand nefarious thing that it's sometimes painted as.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.". The problem is, there tend to be a WHOLE lot of good men that do nothing. There IS reasons to fight for the future, as well as other, more tyrannical ideals, to fight against. There's also visions of the future that should NEVER come to pass, no matter how good some people believe it to be.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
At best, they overestimated the state of current internet speed and access in NA as well as how much a fucking 500GB drive can hold.
