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Pennello: "People just weren't ready for all digital Xbox One". Post #657 = ether.
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My physical movie, music, game, and book collection say otherwise, Al. Just learn to shut the fuck up already, Microsoft. Most of the world does not have access to high speed internet much less things like
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I have a ton of digital titles on my PC, Vita, and PS3, but they will never replace my love of physical media.
literacy, malaria medicine, food, clean water etc
I have a ton of digital titles on my PC, Vita, and PS3, but they will never replace my love of physical media.
zerokoolpsx
Member
It was the death of used games for their future. They only useful good thing was the family sharing. Their idea of an all digital future isn't what I want.
flyinpiranha
Member
Correct idea and future thinking. Wrong execution and customer awareness.
soul creator
Member
The irony of it all is that the only reason for the planned DRM being draconian is because they tried to mix in physical discs, and still sort of provide some of the benefits of them (lending and/or trading games in).
If they completely jumped into digital, like other services, no 24hr check would be needed, for example. After all, if there's no need to change licenses, there's no need to continuously check if it's valid. You would only need to do the initial one-time check and be done with it.
Glorified G
Member
This is by far the dumbest post I've read on gaf. Holy shit. lol. I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt but...
Nope. lol
plagiarize
Banned
When people are ready for such a thing, they will be asking for it. En masse. And you won't have to dick over retail to make it happen. Retail will just gradually decline.
See what happened to CDs and Movies? They didn't have to kill retail to make digital music and digital movies successful. People chose it.
On PC, people chose steam over terrible DRM on retail PC games.
If Microsoft haven't learnt yet, that you force the market to move, then they never will I guess.
Don't make a console for the future without checking with the people here in the present if what you are planning is a good idea.
See what happened to CDs and Movies? They didn't have to kill retail to make digital music and digital movies successful. People chose it.
On PC, people chose steam over terrible DRM on retail PC games.
If Microsoft haven't learnt yet, that you force the market to move, then they never will I guess.
Don't make a console for the future without checking with the people here in the present if what you are planning is a good idea.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
MS, you continue to spiral into irrelevance.
People really believe they have a choice in where the entertainment industry and technology is going? Society really isn't pushing back enough to stop companies from reaching the destination that they are all heading to. We are forcing them to take little detours, but right now it looks like they will eventually get there. MS took the risk of driving too hard and taking what they thought was a shortcut, but ended up lost instead. Now they are back on the right road again with everyone else. Society is gonna have to do more than force these companies to take a detour. We have to destroy all bridges to the destination.
If corporate culture doesn't change for the better we are heading for an MS-like all digital future. The way things are going that's where we are heading.
If corporate culture doesn't change for the better we are heading for an MS-like all digital future. The way things are going that's where we are heading.
That is an absolutely ace analogy, completely relevant to the point on hand.
Bra-fuckin'-vo.
@ certain people in this discussion; Why is it at all relevant what happened to music an movies? Music and movies making the transition to digital had one huge benefit; they became more portable. Games going digital wouldn't have that benefit; they are still bound to the (non-portable) console, controller and tv. Compared to the advantages of music and movies going digital, the advantages of gaming going digital are minimal at best. Yes, you would gain a bit of convenience (not having to go to the store / not having to swap discs), but that isn't nearly enough of an advantage to kill physical games, and it sure as hell isn't worth all the massive disadvantages Microsofts ridiculous DRM-schemes would bring with it.
I don't believe in a digital future for console games. Console gaming will remain a predominantly physical market for this generation and probably a few beyond it.
I don't believe in a digital future for console games. Console gaming will remain a predominantly physical market for this generation and probably a few beyond it.
SanguineShark
Member
You keep believing that. It's all just a conspiracy and big mean "SonyGaf" is bullying MS.
Hope you're at least trolling with that avatar of yours.
This is worth quoting so we don't have to argue about this on every new page.
Haha. The choice is called buying from other companies.
Why do people keep saying this? We absolutely have a huge say as a consumer base. if they don't get our money they lose out and other businesses take over, whether they are other videogame companies or entirely different places in the entertainment industry. It's not about what they want us to buy, it's about what they want us to buy that people (as a whole anyway) actually like. It is their job to cater to people's desires, not the other way around.
Nymphae
Banned
A couple of months ago my cap with Rogers here in Canada was 20 fucking GB a month. Wouldn't even be able to download a next gen game with that shit. Most people don't have it that bad, but people forget sometimes that not everyone is so lucky to have good access to bandwidth.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
People keep acting like it is the consumer who isn't ready. It is the infrastructure that is the problem here, not the consumer.
It's the way it's gonna go in the future but you have to ease your consumers into it and offer them some value for switching, not trying to force it on them. Make digital games a little bit cheaper, offer a good service like the PS+ IGC.
Personally, I would like a future were all my games are digital and also in the cloud, making it possible to stream them to any device I own next to being able to playing it locally offline. A Netflix for games is something I can totally support. I don't have a problem with games being a service but right now, we are not there and their model was too restrictive and the retail games still offer many advantages.
Designing a product is about knowing your consumer needs and offering them value. His comments just show that Microsoft is still stuck at their idea and it is a reason why I still don't trust them and want to support them, altough I would like to buy a Xbox One. Right now, I am just thinking they will fuck me over the next time they have a chance.
Personally, I would like a future were all my games are digital and also in the cloud, making it possible to stream them to any device I own next to being able to playing it locally offline. A Netflix for games is something I can totally support. I don't have a problem with games being a service but right now, we are not there and their model was too restrictive and the retail games still offer many advantages.
Designing a product is about knowing your consumer needs and offering them value. His comments just show that Microsoft is still stuck at their idea and it is a reason why I still don't trust them and want to support them, altough I would like to buy a Xbox One. Right now, I am just thinking they will fuck me over the next time they have a chance.
AND their messaging would've been a lot clearer. They could've even done digital pre-loading before release to somewhat nullify the long download times. Instead, they wanted a piece of the physical pie since users would have to a pay a fee to register discs.
CharmingCharlie
Member
I didn't realise Microsoft wanted a "rational conversation". The way they came across it was more a "this is our console like it or lump it" then when most chose to lump it Microsoft decided to go "just kidding, see we are not doing the stuff, now please buy our console".
You HAVE to be a joke character. You just have to be.
Maybe they are ready (or at least would be more receptive), but not with MS' vision of it.
It pisses me of that microsoft heard that people didn't want any of the shit they were trying to push but it's like they never even tried to look into why everyone told them to shove it up their arse. Surely they would have some business types looking into why what happened happened. Surely they'd have some PR consultants telling them to shut the fuck up and stop blaming consumers.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Hahaha we weren't ready lol. Why don't you try it again MS and see what happens to xbox's sales.
BibiMaghoo
Member
There is a general trend where by digital offerings are slowly - for the most part - becoming more and more consumer friendly. As different companies move forward with digital, each is competing to give the best model, that preserves what we value in physical copies, while steering us towards a model that is more profitable for them, a model that cuts out the middleman and earns them more per game.
For my part, Microsoft is perfectly welcome to join this world, and strive to offer the best they can in terms of value within a digital space, problem is, they don't fucking want to. They have no interest in doing this. They would rather pin you up against the wall by the throat, take your wallet, kick you in the balls, then ask you to thank them before moving on. They don't want to compete with everyone else to offer you the best service. They want to force you into dealing with one that is just plain better for them, without giving two fucks about what you get out of it.
For my part, Microsoft is perfectly welcome to join this world, and strive to offer the best they can in terms of value within a digital space, problem is, they don't fucking want to. They have no interest in doing this. They would rather pin you up against the wall by the throat, take your wallet, kick you in the balls, then ask you to thank them before moving on. They don't want to compete with everyone else to offer you the best service. They want to force you into dealing with one that is just plain better for them, without giving two fucks about what you get out of it.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The impression I always got was that they weren't well-enough informed about what Sony was going to do. I don't necessarily mean that they need better corporate spies, but I don't think they were prepared for Sony to leverage their own vague message into an attack on MS's.
sechsterangriff
Member
Except they weren't offering just a full digital future at all. The Xbone already is full digital if the user wants it to. What Microsoft wanted (and still wants) is to tinker with an existing physical format and business model for complete control, and got a rightful kick in the balls by the consumers.
Exactly, but they would also have to figure out ISP caps and what-not. Digital only could work right now for MS if they had dropped their crazy DRM policies, BUT they would have sacrificed a ton of sales.
That's it.
Hating draconian DRM == undying love for Sony... smh...
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Word.
Let them dream.
I fully agree, however, for some people to try and relate an "all digital" experience to original Xbone policies is incorrect and that was the point I was trying to make. MS did a terrible job of showing the gamers value in a new licensing policy and bit them in the ass. The policies were really aggressive and needed tweaking but I believe it was the marketing that let them down.
Yeah, the ISP issue - along with a whole host of others, like the fact that high-speed internet is still not readily available - stills screws with their supposed vision of the future.
To be fair, I was hating on his huge fucking leap in logic. Then he just whipped out the good ol' #SonyGAF retort.
entremet
Member
There's already a decent segment of games that get no physical releases--Indies, smaller games, etc.
Yes, just as there are shows that I can only watch on netflix. But I can still buy blurays. Books. CDs.
So the answer to my question is no.
They just can't fucking stop talking about it.
They must resent their so-called faithful customers and all consumers so much to keep saying that we were too stupid to understand their vision.
Enlighten us then Penello. Share this magic future that we were all too fucking prehistoric to understand.
They must resent their so-called faithful customers and all consumers so much to keep saying that we were too stupid to understand their vision.
Enlighten us then Penello. Share this magic future that we were all too fucking prehistoric to understand.
flyinpiranha
Member
I think there are quite a few 'consumers' that still wouldn't choose an all digital solution even with infrastructure.
There is a reason Gamestop exists, that retail chains such as Best Buy, Target, and Toys R Us are taking trade ins, and that Amazon will even give you credit.
Trading in games is a HUGE part of the hobby. I think taking that away will alienate quite a few people including those that are "ready" with the infrastructure in place.
I still see CD displays in Target, Best Buy, etc ... so 'somebody' besides enthusiasts must be purchasing them or they wouldn't devote shelf space to them. And they aren't 'small' shelves either.
Snapshot King
Member
I was, and am ready though. I'm all digital with Vita, PC, and soon to be PS4. Readyness has nothing to do with it. I merely refused your terms. No offline mode? Fuck you. End of story.
Quadraphonic
Member
iTunes doesn't have a 24-hour check. I can install apps with or without a connection in the event Apple goes out of business or stops supporting these devices.
I just drag that file into iTunes and sync it right to my phone.
With Steam, I don't need a constant connection:
I didn't need a 24-hour check. Right now it's TWO WEEKS, but Valve is already trying to make it last forever: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...urce=postit&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=all
And here's the kicker of that:
THAT'S A BUG. It is MEANT TO BE FOREVER ALREADY.
None of these abilities came close to offering what the Xbox One did.
And finally, to drive the point home:
Uplay
GOG
GreenManGaming
Impulse
Origin
What do all those have in common?
They run on the same platforms as Steam. If Steam goes tits up, or becomes some post-apocalyptic wastleand, competitors will step up. What happens when MS starts requiring your stem cells to make the game work? Where will you go for games on the Xbox?
Uno Venova
Banned
It's still not purposely phased out and yes people still buy CD's. I don't know who told you different.
