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So Target shipped someone an Xbox One already? [Update: console-banned until launch]

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GA_RoyalT

Neo Member
The Flash said:
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Amazing post
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+1 I was literally clapping at my laptop lol!
 
The Cowboy

The Cowboy

Member
I don't think the ban should be lifted on the 22nd, I think the ban should be lifted on at least the 20th or 21st to make sure everything is A-OK for the owner on release day.

You can see it coming a mile off, ban set to be lifted on the 22nd and something goes wrong and boom, legit owner locked out on day 1 due to a MS mess up.
 
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enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Banning until launch makes sense, especially when you don't want false reports of network stability, featureset, etc. going out before its actually consumer-ready, which is obviously kept until the latest time before launch.

If they had actually like, ban-banned his console, it would be dumb.
 
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Prine

Banned
CouldBeWorse said:
I think there is a fundamental lack of reading comprehension here. Microsoft isn't comfortable with XBL so they are solely banning access to XBL on these Xbox Ones that slipped out.

The account isn't impacted. The 360 isn't impacted. And as far as I can tell, he can still play single player games.

It's not unreasonable at all.

And yet so many folks are using this as an opportunity to pile on Microsoft and push their agendas, whether it relates to this situation or not.
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More and more gaffers are seeing through bs posted by hysterical anti ms gaffers. Many are becoming tired of their meaningless tirade
 
nillapuddin

nillapuddin

Member
pompidu said:
My stereoscopic vision is working fine, it's bigger than the original ps3 and that was too big. My preference though.
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Amir0x said:
I don't actually get the "see the thing in person" comments. The thing is almost as big as a PS3 FAT, and there ain't nobody alive today that says the thing is at all small in form factor. It's massive.

I've seen it in person, they're on kiosks. It's still massive. It's just a bulky device. No harm in it, few people actually care if their videogame system is big.
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nillapuddin*
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jam86 said:
Truth, I'm not sure what kind of delusional pills are being taken, but the xbone is huge. Sure it's smaller form factor relative to a full blown A/V receiver, but bulky is still bulky.
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Not sure I remember taking any pills of delusion..

Im just stating, because of the shape (plain) and color (depthless black) it can be hard to measure from a 3rd person source. I was expecting it to be gigantic, and was surprised when I saw it.

Whether or not you think the XBO is "too big" is of course preference and opinion, Im just stating, I think that most people would need to see it in person to really get a baring for it

edit: this is not on topic, glad to see major working with the guy
obviously no one, especially MS wants to see the kid crucified, it was just an accident
 
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Spine_Ripper

Member
Sho_Nuff82 said:
MS has been trying their damndest for the past 6 months to "build anticipation and guide the narrative" around the Xbox One. They basically threw a temper tantrum because "the media" and "entitled gamers" didn't allow them to pass this controlled PR message to consumers about "unlimited graphics via cloud computing"/"balanced hardware"/"no comment on indie games"/"DRM freedom is slavery"/"Kinect must be plugged in". The entire fiasco was ridiculous. The box is a physical thing, with power, price, and software quantifiable and comparable to other products on the market.

The entire attempt was derailed by their reversals. We know that most of their statements around E3 were sleazy PR. They did what they had to do to get their preorders up, and I suppose they should be congratulated for finally listening to their customers rather than defending "the message" to the grave. But with Albert's recent statements about not knowing resolutions of the biggest launch games (before resolutiongate), and the recent banning, you get the sense that MS is still fighting tooth and nail to maintain some pretense over the launch.

You can't hide what your product is and does in consumer electronics. Not in 2013. The world has changed since the release of the iPhone and the increase in tech enthusiast websites. When people buy a modern phone/tablet, they want to know the screen resolution, CPU clock speeds, battery life, benchmark scores, build materials, camera specs, operating system version, All of this information was known about the LG/Google Nexus 5 before it was even announced. MS' attempts to control the narrative about the One launch is taking a piss in the wind. When they say "we can increase graphics 10-fold with cloud computing" and anandtech writes a rebuttal "no, that's not true", everyone knows they are full of shit.

If LIVE sucks, if the dash crashes, if the One version of 3rd party games have severe graphic deficiencies...consumers are going to know. It's their right to know. The box is $500 after all. The absurdity of the banning here is that, from all outward appearances, the machine isn't the disaster that so many have predicted; the UI is solid, the interface is slick, the games look pretty damn good. Kinect even works, for the little content they have for it at launch. MS is pushing the same losing battle Nintendo did - if people don't know what your console does or what it's capable of, the response isn't intrigue, it's apathy. No one is dropping hundreds of dollars on a mystery box.
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I love you.
 
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xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
enzo_gt said:
Banning until launch makes sense, especially when you don't want false reports of network stability, featureset, etc. going out before its actually consumer-ready, which is obviously kept until the latest time before launch.
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Banning his console period is a fucking bullshit move by MS.
 
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iammeiam

Member
Stupid question: Is the PS4 Day One patch out yet? I'm trying to figure out if it's even possible for someone with an early PS4 to explore the online components yet.

I figure MS banning the console from XBL is somewhat preferable to them just yanking the day one update. No update would keep the early people offline, but would effectively leave them with a useless brick since the Xbone requires the patch to do basically anything. A ban at least allows them to screw around in single player. I think.
 
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tapedeck

Do I win a prize for talking about my penis on the Internet???
Funny how I (and apparently others) were instantly dismissed when saying that he'd probably just be banned until launch heh.
 
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Puppet Shadow

Member
Frillen said:
I missed out on this thread :( Someone with a summary of the thread?
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Paco said:
  1. Guy gets an Xbox One Friday evening, because Target fucked up
  2. He posts an unboxing video on YouTube
  3. People laugh, 'Console is useless without the day one patch!'
  4. He connects to Live and downloads the day one patch
  5. Posts a bunch of details on Twitter with highly positive reaction
  6. Couple folks on Twitter advise him not post any gameplay, he agrees to wait
  7. More folks on Twitter start tweeting that he has the console and is answering questions
  8. Couple media outlets pick up that he's spewing details
  9. Microsoft takes unboxing video down with a copyright strike, asking for proof of purhcase
  10. He responds to said email with proof of purchase
  11. People start tweeting to him how his was wronged
  12. Hours of people upset over unboxing video taken down
  13. Dude emails MS to see when/if the unboxing video can go back up
  14. More bitching from people about video being taken down
  15. Dude jokes he "might sue them lol"
  16. Around midnight his console gets banned from XBL, but not his account
  17. Dude contacts @Microsoft to explain, tweets @Microsoft several times with no response
  18. People get in an uproar over how he was wronged, they suggest to sue
  19. Dude stays calm, says he will go straight to MS
  20. People go back to being raged about the unboxing video being taken down
  21. Dude goes to sleep
  22. Major Nelson joins the GAF thread and says he's going to try to resolve it
  23. Dude wakes up, is currently talking to Larry about his ban
  24. GAF waits to see if his Youtube strike is lifted, or if envelope is left under the doormat
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Latest update
 
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SmoothRunningGun

Member
Puppet Shadow said:
Well, there may be still a bit of confusion for some over the next few days. Is this still the message customers will see if they get an XBox One early and log in, informing them that they're not banned, they just can't use the online services until the 22nd?



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If it is, I'd suggest coming up with something a little friendlier. Maybe toss in a rainbow or kittens or something.
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Definitely a bad message. Should just say you can't access live until the 22nd.
 
nillapuddin

nillapuddin

Member
Thread: So Target shipped someone an Xbox One already? [Update: XBL restricted until launch]

wouldn't that be more appropriate?

All the people who see that black "banned" screen, who are not internet privy, are going to be confused, and upset.

Def need to be worded differently
 
Mugatu

Mugatu

Member
Nice of Major Nelson to take action and help the guy out.

Never should have happened and it's still BS that he can't play until then but whatever. At least he's not totally screwed.
 
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Ziltoidia 9

Member
Since they have their Kinect up, i wonder if MS and the NSA are watching them. After all its fishy they got their system already.............
 
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Saint Gregory

Member
Sho_Nuff82 said:
MS has been trying their damndest for the past 6 months to "build anticipation and guide the narrative" around the Xbox One. They basically threw a temper tantrum because "the media" and "entitled gamers" didn't allow them to pass this controlled PR message to consumers about "unlimited graphics via cloud computing"/"balanced hardware"/"no comment on indie games"/"DRM freedom is slavery"/"Kinect must be plugged in". The entire fiasco was ridiculous. The box is a physical thing, with power, price, and software quantifiable and comparable to other products on the market.

The entire attempt was derailed by their reversals. We know that most of their statements around E3 were sleazy PR. They did what they had to do to get their preorders up, and I suppose they should be congratulated for finally listening to their customers rather than defending "the message" to the grave. But with Albert's recent statements about not knowing resolutions of the biggest launch games (before resolutiongate), and the recent banning, you get the sense that MS is still fighting tooth and nail to maintain some pretense over the launch.

You can't hide what your product is and does in consumer electronics. Not in 2013. The world has changed since the release of the iPhone and the increase in tech enthusiast websites. When people buy a modern phone/tablet, they want to know the screen resolution, CPU clock speeds, battery life, benchmark scores, build materials, camera specs, operating system version, All of this information was known about the LG/Google Nexus 5 before it was even announced. MS' attempts to control the narrative about the One launch is taking a piss in the wind. When they say "we can increase graphics 10-fold with cloud computing" and anandtech writes a rebuttal "no, that's not true", everyone knows they are full of shit.

If LIVE sucks, if the dash crashes, if the One version of 3rd party games have severe graphic deficiencies...consumers are going to know. It's their right to know. The box is $500 after all. The absurdity of the banning here is that, from all outward appearances, the machine isn't the disaster that so many have predicted; the UI is solid, the interface is slick, the games look pretty damn good. Kinect even works, for the little content they have for it at launch. MS is pushing the same losing battle Nintendo did - if people don't know what your console does or what it's capable of, the response isn't intrigue, it's apathy. No one is dropping hundreds of dollars on a mystery box.
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Great, great post. I really hope that some Nintendo executives see this too, their continued disconnection from the realities of today's world is tiring to say the least.
 
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The Light

Member
Prine said:
From unofficial beta XBL its absolutly reasonable. His console isnt bricked
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It makes it even more messed up in my opinion. It's basically banning someone to keep them quiet about live as a precaution so that nothing negative can be said (if any can be).
 
Mugatu

Mugatu

Member
zainetor said:
he can play, just not online.
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True, but I doubt he's interested in a purely offline experience.

Still seems random, I've been gone a while but I assume the other people who got theirs early did not get banned, just this guy for making a Youtube video. Which is still complete BS.
 
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John Caboose

Member
Ziltoidia 9 said:
Since they have their Kinect up, i wonder if MS and the NSA are watching them. After all its fishy they got their system already.............
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Fuck this strawman bullshit. I'd say there are two extremely plausible scenarios:

1. MS knows exactly what accounts/X1s are supposed to be able to get on Xbox Live right now and they're temp-banning any who log in from unauthorized devices/accounts.

2. Target sent MS the serial codes for the consoles that were shipped out and MS banned all those consoles until release.
 
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Phreaker

Member
Ziltoidia 9 said:
Since they have their Kinect up, i wonder if MS and the NSA are watching them. After all its fishy they got their system already.............
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Oh please. Target made a mistake.

A Microsoft spokesperson tells Engadget that the Xbox One consoles some consumers received by accident well ahead of launch on November 22nd cannot access Xbox Live until closer to launch. The statement says: "Due to a retail partner's system issue, a very small number of Xbox One consoles were shipped to consumers before the November 22 street date. We're pleased to see the initial response to Xbox One has been so positive, but given we are still putting the finishing touches on our games, UI and online services, as well as confidential partner and media agreements, these consoles units will be restricted from connecting to Xbox Live until closer to our launch date."

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/09/early-xbox-one-details/
 
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Tapiozona

Banned
Ziltoidia 9 said:
Since they have their Kinect up, i wonder if MS and the NSA are watching them. After all its fishy they got their system already.............
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Joke wasn't funny in the least. Maybe next time.


MS may not be able to control what their retailers do but they can control LIVE. If the release/premier happens on the 22nd then they have every right to control that. I don't see everyone bitching when retailers hold games till their release dates. MS essentially did that with the one aspect they have 100% control over. The kid is still lucky because he can use it offline till then. That's mire fortunate than 99.99999999% of the rest of us.

Everything else is just haters finding any reason waive their fanboy flags over the 'Outrage!'
 
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zainetor

Banned
Mugatu said:
True, but I doubt he's interested in a purely offline experience.

Still seems random, I've been gone a while but I assume the other people who got theirs early did not get banned, just this guy for making a Youtube video. Which is still complete BS.
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even if he was allowed online, what could he do? Play with 5 people on cod ghosts?
The important thing is that he can use the console and the games.
And by looking the dad/son video, I'm starting to think that everybody who isnt whitelisted is going to get banned till 22nd.
 
Vestal

Vestal

Gold Member
The Light said:
It makes it even more messed up in my opinion. It's basically banning someone to keep them quiet about live as a precaution so that nothing negative can be said (if any can be).
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so lets say WoWs new expansion is supposed to be released on may25 but you somehow get the disc on the 20th would you show this same uproar then? The game ain't gona be live even though you already have your copy.
 
Mugatu

Mugatu

Member
John Caboose said:
Fuck this strawman bullshit. I'd say there are two extremely plausible scenarios:

1. MS knows exactly what accounts/X1s are supposed to be able to get on Xbox Live right now and they're temp-banning any who log in from unauthorized devices/accounts.

2. Target sent them the serial codes for the consoles that were shipped out and MS banned all those consoles until release.
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Engadget has an update

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/09/early-xbox-one-details/

Update 3: A Microsoft spokesperson tells Engadget that the Xbox One consoles some consumers received by accident well ahead of launch on November 22nd cannot access Xbox Live until closer to launch. The statement says: "Due to a retail partner's system issue, a very small number of Xbox One consoles were shipped to consumers before the November 22 street date. We're pleased to see the initial response to Xbox One has been so positive, but given we are still putting the finishing touches on our games, UI and online services, as well as confidential partner and media agreements, these consoles units will be restricted from connecting to Xbox Live until closer to our launch date."
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That sounds like hope for everyone who got banned but also spin. If this was the official response then there was no reason for Major Nelson to reach out to anyone and fix anything. Also how does this justify getting someone banned from Youtube or getting their video taken down by deceptive means (I don't have an update on his Youtube so I assume it's one of those things still)?
 
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derfybzh

Member
Major why can't more MS employees just be human and not machine ?
Even a temporary ban is bullshiit, the one at fault is clearly target not the end user.
 
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Ziltoidia 9

Member
Phreaker said:
Oh please. Target made a mistake.

A Microsoft spokesperson tells Engadget that the Xbox One consoles some consumers received by accident well ahead of launch on November 22nd cannot access Xbox Live until closer to launch. The statement says: "Due to a retail partner's system issue, a very small number of Xbox One consoles were shipped to consumers before the November 22 street date. We're pleased to see the initial response to Xbox One has been so positive, but given we are still putting the finishing touches on our games, UI and online services, as well as confidential partner and media agreements, these consoles units will be restricted from connecting to Xbox Live until closer to our launch date."

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/09/early-xbox-one-details/
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I wasn't trying to infer that this father and son are plants. I mean MS would think it's fishy they some how got the console already. I really appreciate their videos and glad that they are being so vocal.

Furthermore my joke was bad.
 
Mugatu

Mugatu

Member
zainetor said:
even if he was allowed online, what could he do? Play with 5 people on cod ghosts?
The important thing is that he can use the console and the games.
And by looking the dad/son video, I'm starting to think that everybody who isnt whitelisted is going to get banned till 22nd.
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I was trying to be diplomatic, to be nice.

You're not going to push me into saying anything MS did here is at all fair or right. It was still complete and utter BS and again they are trying to retroactively spin it.

Plenty of developers and gaming press are online (his video showed hundreds) - a few retail consumers seeing things isn't going to compromise anything.
 
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John Caboose

Member
Mugatu said:
Engadget has an update

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/09/early-xbox-one-details/



That sounds like hope for everyone who got banned but also spin. If this was the official response then there was no reason for Major Nelson to reach out to anyone and fix anything. Also how does this justify getting someone banned from Youtube or getting their video taken down by deceptive means (I don't have an update on his Youtube so I assume it's one of those things still)?
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Yes? In what way is this a response to me?

The guy I responded to seemed to think they found out who should have access to the consoles by spying on them with the help of NSA through the Kinect camera and I called out his bullshit.

EDIT: I see it was targeted at the guy that I quoted.
 
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