We might see a new Sony with the PS4 and the sales it has managed to achieve already. They might start releasing numbers again or at least let NPD do it.
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PS4 sells through 1 million units on Day 1 in NA, best start in PS / console history
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We might see a new Sony with the PS4 and the sales it has managed to achieve already. They might start releasing numbers again or at least let NPD do it.
BlackClouds
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What, you don't have any coding skills to build the app yourself? From your bootstraps yo!
Console launches are nowhere near the peak of demand, taking a quick look at NPD numbers for the past generation:
Month | 360 | PS3 | Wii
November 2005 | 326,000 | |
December 2005 | 281,000 | |
November 2006 | 511,000 | 197,000 | 476,000
December 2006 | 1,100,000 | 490,700 | 604,200
November 2007 | 770,000 | 466,000 | 981,000
December 2007 | 1,260,000 | 797,600 | 1,350,000
November 2008 | 836,000 | 378,000 | 2,040,000
December 2008 | 1,440,000 | 726,000 | 2,150,000
November 2009 | 819,500 | 710,400 | 1,260,000
December 2009 | 1,310,000 | 1,360,000 | 3,810,000
November 2010 | 1,370,000 | 530,000 | 1,270,000
December 2010 | 1,860,000 | 1,210,000 | 2,360,000
November 2011 | 1,700,000 | 901,000 | 860,000
December 2011 | 1,700,000 | 936,000 | 1,060,000
Demand for the Wii didn't peak until 2008-2009, and demand for the 360 didn't peak until 2010/2011. The PS4 will be putting out significantly more impressive numbers in the years to come for sure, and possibly the Xbone if Microsoft can get their shit together in the next year or so.
travisbickle
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Euroland next, or Sonyland as some affectionately call it. MS have got their work cut out already.
Psycho_Mantis
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Unknown One
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Hahaha I love you guys.
Amazing. Congratulations to Sony!
I'd love to see a robust analysis on how Sony managed such a record breaking number. Pent up demand? More and more people adopting the practice of preordering, thus further front-loading the former? The fact of preordering becoming more widespread, along with other (more effective) metrics of demand being polished/created, giving Sony the confidence to manufacture more consoles than usual - which itself may have been helped along by a more efficient/easier manufacturing process? Great pricing? Pitch perfect marketing? A strong competitive edge against other next generation consoles? A growing market? A hardcore base that's easier than ever to reach out to?
It's possible to overstate the significance of this particular number. We don't know what it means for the PS4, or what exactly it says about the gaming industry. Nonetheless, it's certainly an incredibly positive sign for the future.
I'd love to see a robust analysis on how Sony managed such a record breaking number. Pent up demand? More and more people adopting the practice of preordering, thus further front-loading the former? The fact of preordering becoming more widespread, along with other (more effective) metrics of demand being polished/created, giving Sony the confidence to manufacture more consoles than usual - which itself may have been helped along by a more efficient/easier manufacturing process? Great pricing? Pitch perfect marketing? A strong competitive edge against other next generation consoles? A growing market? A hardcore base that's easier than ever to reach out to?
It's possible to overstate the significance of this particular number. We don't know what it means for the PS4, or what exactly it says about the gaming industry. Nonetheless, it's certainly an incredibly positive sign for the future.
UnluckyKate
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I think it's fun to see these german retailers saying PS4 to Xbox Pre orders are 450 to 1 but MS wants to double its share of the market from 20 to 40% in... Germany... The PC land...
Imperfected
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A large factor was definitely that they diverted a huge amount of their early supply to a single market to have an unprecedented availability on launch day, though even then their logistics have been quite impressive. The test is going to be how much product they can continue to push through the North American pipeline while spinning up their operations in Europe and Asia; if they can continue churning a few hundred thousand every week into the NA market without causing shortages elsewhere, color me impressed. (Floored, even.)
pieatorium
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every other sony launch has been single territory aswell iirc
bigboss370
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I wonder if MS have enough units manufactured, last launch they only shipped about 300k 360s in europe.
Imperfected
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True, but single-territory Japan is a little bit different, as there's a certain logic to it: it's easier for them to make the necessary filings with regulatory bodies and deals with retailers in their home region, there's no need for translation of or modification of the UI or boxed materials, etc. I don't think that's why they released in Japan first for the PS3 (their business had become too globally focused by then, the Japan-first launch was mostly just another component in an all-around fumbled launch), but it would certainly make sense as the case for the PSX and PS2.
The decision to release single-territory US (and leave Japan entirely until much, much later) seems to have been a more "tactical" consideration rather than the staggered roll-out of the PS3, which if I remember right was mostly about wanting to travel around and have launch events in the various regions as the sales opened in them.
Mobius and pet octopus
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PS4 won't become a super station until it sees its best friend destroyed before his eyes.
PS4's best friend is the vita
We (Aus as well) need to beat NA numbers!
That's a pretty good analogy, looking forward to Goku arriving in the UK on November 29th.
boredandlazy
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Every drop in the ocean counts!
KoopaTheCasual
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Here in Italy more than 100.000 PS4 reservations against 13,000 XB1
and in the rest of Europe are about 10 to 1!
numbers of a domain announced for Sony!
wait... wut? I'm sorry to ask, but do you have any sort of proof for those pre-order numbers? That seems like a lot for a single territory (no offense).
Great numbers, I'm really curious how that continous. Here in euroland the reports I've seen all included a comment on faulty consoles but only citing "internet comments" for whatever that is worth but already two casuals I've spoken to mentioned they heard the PS4 has problems. Wonder if that'll have a negative impact on launch sales here.
shinra-bansho
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I'd like to see some sort of source as well. Although it wouldn't be unreasonable; Italy is the fourth largest market in the European region iirc (after UK, Germany and France). EDIT: Oh it might be bigger than France now, based on dollar spend.
I have friends who work at Gamestop and other knowledge that have confirmed these numbers! I hope and believe they can be real!
Hydrogen Bluebird
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You guys think PS4 will sell more compared to the XB one in the UK as well?
pieatorium
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yes even more so
GreenMakoEyes
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Congratulations Sony! I will join when FFXV is available.
Lagspike_exe
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I have friends who work at Gamestop and other knowledge that have confirmed these numbers! I hope and believe they can be real!
Considering EU ratios can be approximately extrapolated from Italy's, it's going to be brutal for MS if those numbers are true. On the other hand, considering ridiculous US sales, I could actually believe them.
PS4 won't become a super station until it sees its best friend destroyed before his eyes.
PS4's best friend is the vita
Nooooooo! :- (
shinra-bansho
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With the caveat that it's only a general indicator:
Amazon UK Best Sellers 2013
03. PS4
37. Xbox One
38. Call of Duty: Ghosts PS4
46. Xbox One Day One
55. Battlefield 4 PS4
72. Watch_Dogs PS4
83. Call of Duty: Ghosts XB1
99. Assassin's Creed IV PS4
It's actually more expensive than the launch PS3 iirc.
SPACECADET
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man, awesome. can't wait till UPS assholes finally get me my box tuesday. shoulda had it launch day :'/ feel so left out.
KoopaTheCasual
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I have friends who work at Gamestop and other knowledge that have confirmed these numbers! I hope and believe they can be real!
Wait, so are these just Gamestop numbers, or a summation of all your sources? I'm fine with considering it a rumor, so I won't hound you for proof, but I'd just like to know either way.
£425 price tag killed Sony in the UK with the PS3, and the Xbox One launches at £429 sooooooo...
Imperfected
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PS4 won't become a super station until it sees its best friend destroyed before his eyes.
PS4's best friend is the vita
Vita, nooooooo! How... unexpected? Let's go with that, "unexpected". Ah well, time to gather up the Dragonballs and wish for a VitaTV SKU.
Absolutely, i think UK going Sony this time around is 95% certainty. The price of the Xbox One is near PS3 levels. PS3 did not benefit that much from the dominance of PS2 worldwide, and the 360 has hardly dominated any market, even NA is split with Wii. So i am not buying this "loyalty" thing too mean much, it never has actually. I reserve 5% in case Kinect somehow blows up like the original Wii, i dont think that will happen, but i suppose anything is technically possible.
Yes. The price tag is going to hurt Microsoft, even more so in Europe.
It 'a summation of all my sources, of course it is right to consider it a rumor, having no official items, but for me it is a very credible rumor!
However, we will see later on November 29!
assuming Sony has all their production for launch, and if the 750k per month figure is correct, then they might be limited in what they can get into stores for second shipments unless they fly them in. If they can, then maybe another 500-750k across all markets by Christmas?
PS4 won't become a super station until it sees its best friend destroyed before his eyes.
PS4's best friend is the vita
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Mobius and pet octopus
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There is an upside to this story because after freeza (ipad) kills vita, ps4 kicks ipads ass.
And we all know freeza is the ipad because freeza has many forms, starting out transforming beefy and then ending up small framed (ipad air).
Vegeta is of course xbox one. Meaning xbox one doesn't become a super station until next season, ironically after ps4 wishes it back to life. Does that mean ps4 makes a mistake!? Stay tuned next time for console ball z.
The PS3 had major issues with manufacturing which is the cause of the delays with roll out. Had they been able to make them fast enough they would have been much closer than they were with Europe having to wait 4 months.
From the pre order numbers, Amazon best sellers, anecdotal evidence. Yes. Possibly 3:2 or better. The only hard data we have for pre orders put it at 3:2. I think were we to get those numbers publicly again the ratio would have moved further to the PS4. But I do not believe we will get a public update now.
sechsterangriff
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In some European markets the 360 is nothing but a footnote and there's no reason to believe that will change with the Xbone.
someone can add dreamcast to the figure
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Italy has a population of about 60m. If they do 100k at launch it would be less sales per capita than the US launch. It's an entirely feasible number, whether it's true or not.
I'm in Ireland which is a tiny market obviously but demand for the PS4 seems really high. It's stomping the XOne here in terms of PR/fan perception.
Italy is also further in the Sony camp than any other territory in Europe. Just look at the numbers from last gen.
LiquidSolid
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Here in Italy more than 100.000 PS4 reservations against 13,000 XB1
and in the rest of Europe are about 10 to 1!
numbers of a domain announced for Sony!
Are Day One Edition pre-orders still widely available in Italy like they are here (NZ)?