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Twitch vs Speedrun Community Drama (update: Twitch officially responds)
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"Not Yet."
I guess that'd work.
Garbage sites like reddit is already giving this enough attention.
Are we still blaming all of reddit for deleting those posts?
Team Filler
Member
You mean like if people were to start doing something like #REMOVE DRAGONA?
Marauder Shields
Member
I'm only in my early 20s yet this thread somehow made me feel old.
Furry? Fursona? Emote? Wtf is this shit?
Furry? Fursona? Emote? Wtf is this shit?
theprodigy
Member
the gaming subreddit mods and some twitch people, yes
Well, that would be weird considering she retired.
That's the distinction people need to be aware of. It's not reddit as a whole, just a bunch of subreddit mods.
You're missing an important detail. Horror has a history of removing other (inoffensive) emoticons for no reason, or at least that's what I gathered.
Team Filler
Member
I'm sure most would be okay with Horror being given the same option.
http://pastebin.com/tMiRbE3i
Here's a relevant pastebin about some of that. I don't really know his history either.
It sounds like you have some idea of past events that isn't accurate, but all right.
I don't know either, I think it's best to just avoid stepping on toes. The gay furry topic really isn't all that important to the entire issue, it's merely tangential.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
Yeah, I never been a Twitch follower I am afraid, so I wouldn't have known.
That was quite informative, thanks.
theprodigy
Member
while it may just be stupid mods, the problem seems to be pervasive and the rules don't discourage them from doing this stuff
(see also: LoL subreddit mods falling for the same gamefaqs troll multiple times(!))
AlucarD.eq
Member
Woao they did censor Reddit :/
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
You a games journalist?
Seriously, when it comes to companies that operate quasi monopolies (such as twitch does), public outrage is sometimes the only way to do things, specially if they've shown in the past to ignore legitimate complains through legitimate channels.
This is about a lead admin misbehaving and abusing his mod powers.
Team Filler
Member
Maybe so. I was under the impression that Dragona was dismissed as a mod once it was discovered that there was a misuse of position taking place, but I could be mistaken in this, and it's probably OT anyways.
theprodigy
Member
well....
sounds like Amir0x
and seriously the use of the word "entitled" to describe others is almost always a red flag
The fact that reddit is even set up in such a way that this can happen makes reddit look bad IMO. People should not be getting banned from reddit and their posts deleted for calling this out.
Reddit has been this way for a long time now, so the "shock" is coming from people not knowing that it was like this before this all happened. Also at most, those people got banned from /r/gaming, not reddit as a whole. Is it shitty? Absolutely, but the subreddit mods can do as they please when it comes to that kind of stuff.
Well that needs to be fixed because it makes reddit seem like a shithole.
Well, it kind of is, or can be. There's a lot of potential for things to go smoothly and for things to go like this, it really depends on who is in charge of a subreddit.
Based on the reddit FAQs I believe what is supposed to happen if stuff like this continually happens is that people will eventually abandon a subreddit with terrible mods and migrate elsewhere. If /r/gaming dies (which it won't), some other sub-reddit will replace it. That is "the fix" so to speak. Asking the reddit owners/admins to set some baseline rules for proper subreddit mod etiquette means they would have the impossible task of trying to enforce those rules on their hand.
I don't know I don't disregard the term at all cause sometimes it's just perfectly apt. Especially to describe 'gamers'
Jared (Twitch CM) posted earlier in the thread that they are taking this seriously and working on a resolution behind the scenes.
What will probably end up happening is that most of the stramers will end up unbanned, but Horror will remain as an admin... which I don't really think will make everyone happy. I'm not calling for his blood, but there are definitely many that won't rest until they feel justice has been served, and that means Horror's proverbial head on a spike.
I think it's in his best interest to step down of his own volition.
Sony's hands seem pretty clean with the way they've interfaced twitch on PS4.
You can't even see who's an admin or not in the application. Nor have there been any PS4 streams that have been banned as of yet.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
What's "inappropriate" about having a furry emote? Did it show nudity or something...? There's no way I'm reading through this whole thread for all the details, lol.
Higgins113
Banned
Then why post at all?
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kittens
Unconfirmed Member
This is pretty common practice on GAF. "Hey all, can someone answer this question I have so I don't have to read the 700+ previous posts? Thanks." Seems reasonable to me, lol.
Twitch rise to popularity is rather sudden, so its not surprising that they cannot properly deal with this and are having problems.
They really need to be careful how they resolve this because Twitch.tv is visited by mostly hardcore gamers who *do* read reddit, GAF etc. These arent your casual Call of Duty crowd that goes there. And they will take their business elsewhere if this is not resolved properly.
They really need to be careful how they resolve this because Twitch.tv is visited by mostly hardcore gamers who *do* read reddit, GAF etc. These arent your casual Call of Duty crowd that goes there. And they will take their business elsewhere if this is not resolved properly.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Here's a message from a Twitch admin to Abahbob who inquired about the bans:
I'm creating a Ustream account for PS4.
Mainly the fact that it has nothing to do with anything relevant to Twitch, the channel it's for has very few viewers and was only added because it's a character by the guy an admin was going out with, while everyone else has a really hard time getting emotes in at all, and another streamer recently had his taken away.
Quote
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Places like Twitch are drowning in their own memes and culture. They should be cleaning up rather than embracing in dongers or whatever those kids say. Ban phrases, restructure the mods/employees, rise to a new level of professionalism that they would be proud to display and represent. 4chan-streaming, memes and shitty personalities are not what make Twitch the best.
I'm just a casual Twitch user, I just watch the videos and ignore the chat, which should be a big deal to them. After today though, it's clear that big partnerships with Sony and Microsoft are not going to change them anytime soon. They absolutely should have, but they didn't. I may soon stop watching the videos all together. Sucks.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, grow up Twitch.
I'm just a casual Twitch user, I just watch the videos and ignore the chat, which should be a big deal to them. After today though, it's clear that big partnerships with Sony and Microsoft are not going to change them anytime soon. They absolutely should have, but they didn't. I may soon stop watching the videos all together. Sucks.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, grow up Twitch.
A group of speedrunners has already been trying to get people to move to hitbox.tv because of the recent events.
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kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, I guess I kind of get it, but not really. I'm not involved with that community at all, though, so I don't really know the significance of these things.
TheRedSnifit
Member
Couldn't we just make our own sub-reddit and talk about this shit? It wouldn't be as popular as /r/gaming, but at least it'd be out there.
- Getting emote is a big deal.
- Horror approves/disproves emotes, and nukes Guy A's emote for a copyright violation (despite approving other copyrighted emotes).
- Guy B points out that Horror's borderline unknown, furvert boyfriend has an emote, and jokes about how the easiest way to get one is to "get in [horror's] pants".
- Horror throws tantrum and bans Guy B.
- People understandably get upset.
- Horror goes on ban-streak. People get even angrier.
- Mods enact the Nuclear Option and ban fucking everybody who opposes Horror, and enlists Reddit mods to censor the issue.
- Getting emote is a big deal.
- Horror approves/disproves emotes, and nukes Guy A's emote for a copyright violation (despite approving other copyrighted emotes).
- Guy B points out that Horror's borderline unknown, furvert boyfriend has an emote, and jokes about how the easiest way to get one is to "get in [horror's] pants".
- Horror throws tantrum and bans Guy B.
- People understandably get upset.
- Horror goes on ban-streak. People get even angrier.
- Mods enact the Nuclear Option and ban fucking everybody who opposes Horror, and enlists Reddit mods to censor the issue.
Charles Alan Ratliff
Member
That link is NSFW, just so people know. There are porn videos on that site as of right now with graphic thumbnails.
2 Slice Toaster
Member
Which is just the new name of own3d.tv reformed by the same CEO after going bankrupt and failing to pay numerous streamers.
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