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Xbox One's Scaler May Be Applying a Sharpening Filter to All Sub-1080p Games
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Chance Hale
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Are people sure it's not a capture/calibration issue? I've only played Dead Rising 3(and Forza, but 1080P so irrelevant) and while the IQ certainly suffers from the resolution I can't really see any of that vomit inducing sharpening. The UI elements are 1080P though. Do other games suffering from sharpening issues also have a separate 1080P UI resolution?
John Caboose
Member
This is seriously my biggest Xbox One problem right now. I fucking hope this gets fixed or I might just switch to 720p full time.
BTW, does FIFA 14 run in 720p in online and 1080p in offline mode? Because the image quality in online sucks shit and I think it might be the scaler destroying it.
To be honest it looked like the 360 version when watching the PS4 - 360 comparison. It's simply a last-gen game.
BTW, does FIFA 14 run in 720p in online and 1080p in offline mode? Because the image quality in online sucks shit and I think it might be the scaler destroying it.
To be honest it looked like the 360 version when watching the PS4 - 360 comparison. It's simply a last-gen game.
BishopLamont
Banned
That is just awful.
OdysseusVA
Banned
So detailed
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I really doubt it. Digital Foundry's Dead Rising 3 captures and Need for Speed Rivals captures were only three days apart. The sharpening is in full evidence in their Dead Rising captures. Need For Speed looks identical on PS4 and Xbox except better post-processing AA, slightly better LoD in the far distance, better AO, and better DoF on PS4.
Chobel
Member
It looks like shit, but the pics are in jpg format, so the reason could be compression artifacts.
Chance Hale
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VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
Na man JPG wouldn't cause that.
Pegasus Actual
Member
I also have Ghosts for 360/One/PS4 (digital upgrade for 360->One, disc for PS4), let the haters hate, lol.
So yeah, looks like complete monkey shit. And sure enough the 720p trick made things look a lot better. The easiest way to see just how bad is to load up a local multiplayer match in Prison Break. Those leaves... my god those leaves... but yeah, the UI looks horrible with the XBO's scaling as well. I thought it was just the resolution difference that was making the PS4 look so much better... and even with the scaling fixed it's not much of a contest, but at least 720p upscaled by my monitor doesn't make my eyes bleed.
What's funny is after messing with my resolution settings and changing the output from HDMI to DVI (I'm using an HDMI to DVI adapter anyway...) so that it would give me more options than just 1080p (for some reason gives standard def and 720p options on DVI mode, doesn't make much sense to me why it wasn't under HDMI (autodetect) but here we are. Anyway so what's funny is after playing with that setting my system is pretty borked. I go into settings, and it crashes in about 2 seconds back to the top level dashboard. My TV input is just a black screen even though I know my cable box is putting out good video, and when I load up Ghosts I get no sound whatsoever. Played a little local multi against bots and the stupid thing freezes completely for 2-3 seconds randomly. Trying a hard power cycle right now, as normal Xbox Off did no good.
What I'm trying to say here is that whoever approved this upscaling method needs to be tried as a war criminal.
I went through the calibration steps and turned down my TV's sharpness to 0. IQ is much better now.
It's so odd though. All of my other inputs have the same exact settings and every single game on any one if those consoles looks great. But my 'Bone? It was all kinds of fucked. But now it's better.
Killer Instinct got a significant boost in quality. Gotta try DR3 next.
It's so odd though. All of my other inputs have the same exact settings and every single game on any one if those consoles looks great. But my 'Bone? It was all kinds of fucked. But now it's better.
Killer Instinct got a significant boost in quality. Gotta try DR3 next.
I must say that doesn't look very appealing. But I also think Assassins Creed 2 has a cleaner IQ on my TV compared to these pics, so I highly doubt you will notice this at all if you are playing from a normal "console" distance.
Aizu_Itsuko
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TAJ
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2D image processing can require a trivial amount of power. My low power, quiet HTPC from 13 years ago had no problem decoding DVDs then scaling them to 1080p well. I installed ffdshow not too long after building it.
maquiladora
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What the fuck, is this real? That looks like shit.
brain_stew
Member
Just seen those AC4 shots. Hideous.
plagiarize
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well, you were sharpening on top of sharpening, which is going to make anything look awful. I'm glad we've helped you get everything looking better though!
And yeah, AC4 is sharpened, and if snapped games are sharpened...
then those of us that don't like artificial sharpening are fucked.
Xbone indeed. THANKS MICROSOFT.
Senor Kami
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That blows. All of my TVs have a Sharpness meter though. I usually just crank that down until jaggies go away and everything looks good. Only time it really sucks is for fighting games where I need to play in gaming mode and I don't have the sharpness option.
I wonder if normal people will care though. I know I'm the only person in my friend group that would see the sharpness meter and think to crank it down rather than up. Most will probably like the jaggie look for some god awful, unexplainable reason.
I wonder if normal people will care though. I know I'm the only person in my friend group that would see the sharpness meter and think to crank it down rather than up. Most will probably like the jaggie look for some god awful, unexplainable reason.
This.
Ive been into many a home with their tvs on vivid/dynamic with sharpness and contrast up to the max. :/
plagiarize
Banned
Be sure to use this: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/sharpness.php to make sure you aren't artificially blurring the image.
remember, the goal is for your TV is correctly display *every* pixel, exactly as it is meant to be displayed. if you're lowering sharpness until the jaggies disappear, you might be blurring everything, meaning that for games *without* jaggies, you're making them look worse.
Bananajama
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My flatmate loves cranking up tge contrast and sharpness.
Thankfully its my tv its all hooked up to so I told him to leave it as I adjusted it for the umpteenth time
Thankfully its my tv its all hooked up to so I told him to leave it as I adjusted it for the umpteenth time
industrian
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This is like a bizarro PS3. Instead of Quincunxing things to a blurry mess, it upscales things to an overly-sharp mess.
Are thjose "raw" images??? looks really awful.
Terbinator
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Gamersyde's purpose is high-quality media.
Senor Kami
Banned
Maybe technically worse but it looks way better to my eyes. To me, cranking down the sharpness has the effect of hitting the undo button when someone applies a really extreme sharpness filter to an image that was already in focus.
I haven't experienced something that makes me think it's been blurred. Maybe if I paused the game, magnified to 5x and stared like 200ft deep into the background of a screengrab I'd notice something... but I don't play games like that at all. I'm sitting like 10 feet away on my couch or bed.
Hah, I didn't think of that. The difference is that, unlike in 2006, 1080p screens are everywhere and there is considerable difference upscaling from 720 to 1080 vs. softening from like 640 or 680p.
This looks TERRIBLE and needs to be fixed.
I don't know what you guys are talking about. A filter that makes everything look like it's made out of denim is pretty rad.
IAmRandom31
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If the aliasing is that bad in the X1 version holy shit. How the hell could the comparisons of the game say they looked identical?
That is horrid. I barely have any aliasing whatsoever on my screen at home for the PS4 version. I did notice it at first when I forgot to turn on Game Mode and then had sharpness on 60. Quickly turned on Game Mode, changed to 49-51 color, lowered sharpening to 0, Warm 2 colors, all aliasing gone. Aliasing with additional sharpening is a horrible thing to do to a game.
Can't f'in stand the compression
yeah .. this is what AC4 looks like on the PS4 if it was 720p, had the colors killed off, had any sort of detail destroyed, etc. I'm going to stop using the share function till they fix it I think. Atleast using it to link onto sites. When you look at photos on the PS4 they look native, your own photos anyway.
PoweredBySoy
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It's hard to see much difference in the stills, but during motion, especially in the trees, the Xbox version looks terrible.
After running the test on my HDTV with Killer Instinct, there's definitely sharpening being added. Setting Xbox One to 720p to play KI and letting my HDTV scale to 1080p is the normal scaling you'd expect. Setting Xbox One to 1080p means Xbox One is scaling the game with a sharpening filter. Shame.
Honestly though, KI is jaggy as hell no matter which option you choose. Double Helix gonna Double Helix, I guess.
There's gonna be a lot of sub 1080p games on Xbox One, so MS really needs to stop with this shit. Turn it off, morons. All you had to do was add a better GPU. You made Corrinne Yu give you the finger and run away.
Honestly though, KI is jaggy as hell no matter which option you choose. Double Helix gonna Double Helix, I guess.
There's gonna be a lot of sub 1080p games on Xbox One, so MS really needs to stop with this shit. Turn it off, morons. All you had to do was add a better GPU. You made Corrinne Yu give you the finger and run away.
baxter2231
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I tried this pattern and while lowering sharpness to zero makes it look better everything else looks awful and is a blurry mess. Will keep trying it on other games but im not seeing why sharpness is a bad thing everything looks more sharp at least on my tv. Now im testing using a ps4 so maybe sharpness from an xbone on top of it may make it look worse idk but the setting on max makes a nicer image imo. Are there any comparison pics out there to highlight why this is an issue because im not seeing it.
Edit - looking close at the pixels it looks like the Sharpness just makes the white of letter more white making the letter look more sharp.
Everything will look a tad blurry for a while till your eyes adjust to it if youve been using too much sharpness.
baxter2231
Member
Ok lets say i do that for a while and then test out sharpness at max again what should it look like then, should it just look off?
Is there any good review or comparisson between the Wii U version and the PS360 versions?
I wanted to buy this game on Wii U (AC4) but if the frame rate is like AC3 or worse...
I would argue against that, actually. Why would you say?
If you set the Xbox One to 720p output the sharpening filter is eliminated and the game will operate at the same resolution as Wii U. Furthermore, AC4 operates at a consistent 30 fps on Xbox One while the Wii U version suffers from an unstable framerate just like 360 and PS3. On top of that, the XB1 version still manages to include various next-gen enhancements such as fully reactive vegetation, improved water rendering, and more.
The Wii U version isn't really much different from the PS3 and 360 version. XB1 is still a clear improvement over all three. The PS4 and PC versions best the rest, though.
abracadaver
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I dont understand that test or what Im supposed to do.
What's sad is that people actually think that 1080p is going to be ubiquitous for the entire generation. It won't. Not even on PS4. Two years from now when we get a 720p solid 60fps PS4 game no one is going to complain.