DeadByDawn
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Nvidia: Gamers should not limit their options to PS4/XB1; PC is the way to go
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PAULINK
I microwave steaks.
How about when devs start giving a shit about their PC ports. I love pc gaming as much as the next guy but some of these multiplatform games that come out, the pc versions are sometimes horribly optimized, doesn't support alternate control schemes, just wonky glitches not found on consoles because of the open nature of PCs.
Boombloxer
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Yes. Especially since you nor I know how they'll perform. Sales-wise, I expect more of this in the future, along with my free games and PS+ discounts. That point goes both ways.
noconstant
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I think paying for playing online play is really bad, but the PS+ is much more that that, PS+ is free games.
Free game rentals you pay for. If PS+ was sufficiently enticing using that system, why put multiplayer behind a paywall?
TheGreyHulk
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Give us a $400 PC with equal or greater specs and a case as small as the PS4's and maybe we'll talk. It also needs to be fully controllable by the controller to power on, navigate, etc.
I already own a pc, but the convenience isn't the same at all even when my pc is connected like a console to my TV (no kb/m used at all). The main thing I hate is not having full control of the entire system with a controller
I already own a pc, but the convenience isn't the same at all even when my pc is connected like a console to my TV (no kb/m used at all). The main thing I hate is not having full control of the entire system with a controller
1st Course
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This pic need to be quoted again.
This always irks me and I'm using PS+...... It's not free games you are paying a subscription to get access to those games. It's like saying you get free movies if you subscribe to netflix or you get free music if you subscribe to spotify.
Fun Factor
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This is compete bullshit, small form factor GPU are not made that are comparable to the high end graphics cards that can run stuff with AA & 60fps/1080p.
I looked in to them when I wanted a compact PC casing.
I play fighting games on consoles, the idea that I have to pay more money to play my friends online is a bit silly to me.
Just my opinion.
alexandros
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You mean if they'll be successful, or hardware-wise?
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Nastrodamous
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I dont think you quite understand what the purpse of the titan is.
iamshadowlark
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So your point is that smaller games don't feature drm. Cool but thats pretty disengienous. There isn't any meaningful percentage of major games that ship with out any protective measures and there won't be for years.
I'm in the PC (almost) only turf, and I agree with some posters: Alexandros, you should "dial down" your excitement somewhat. You are waayy too invested in this whole steam machines deal. It is clouding your judgement imo.
As for what Nvidia's saying, well, they are on par with the superchaged 8gb gddr5 trumpet blowing and the power of the cloud, in my opinion. PR sentences.
As for what Nvidia's saying, well, they are on par with the superchaged 8gb gddr5 trumpet blowing and the power of the cloud, in my opinion. PR sentences.
I wonder if some posters in these threads have ever considered the fact that argumentum ad hominem is a fallacy.
No, my point is two-fold. Firstly, that PC is the only platform where many smaller and some larger games are available in a truly DRM-free version, and secondly that DRM on PC, due to the openness of the platform, can never be as strong (and thus undesirable) as on consoles.
googleplex
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Same here I'll be building my PC with my Tax refund and I won't be using Nvidia overpriced cards when i do.
alexandros
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His point is that console DRM is !much more restrictive than anything on the PC because the standards are proprietary and the DRM is hardware-level.
jim-jam bongs
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lol ATi
Hey smart guy, take those $2 words of yours someplace else. This here is a thinkin' free zone, and by god that's how we like it.
Hey smart guy, take those $2 words of yours someplace else. This here is a thinkin' free zone, and by god that's how we like it.
Hellsing321
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I always find it funny when these Nvidia threads pop up and people act like Nvidia is getting its clocked cleaned by AMD and on the brink of collapse when reality is AMD is in the toilet right now.
There is more to a graphics card than the framerate it is able to achieve. When it comes to reliability, support, and features Nvidia is king.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I agree and I see the current set of consoles just closed off PCs. Once steambox hits it'll be the android of gaming and ps4/xboxone/wiiu will be more akin to the apple of gaming since they are by and large closed off systems. Where the comparison changes is how steamboxes will include a large variety of choices to best fit your needs and price range.
And then after that steamboxes will likely be iterative the way apple pushes iphones. You certainly don't need to upgrade every time a new device comes out. But when you are READY to upgrade, you'll have a device that is brand new on the market and not one that is 2-5 years old already.
And where steamboxes and PCs in general depart from even that comparison, is in being fully capable of upgrading each component if desired.
PC and steamboxes are posed to be capable of being the best of all worlds. Open platform. Ease of use (largely dependent on steamos and valve's work with making it ease of use, but I am confident in that seeing as steam is pretty easy to use). Price ranges that fit your budget. And upgradeability.
We'll have to see how this plays out. A year or two ago when steam was rumored to be working on a console... I thought no way. Now I am more of the opinion that they have a chance if they execute properly. But most importantly, the potential to change everything is there.
IncandescentPrecept
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I already have a laptop for all the extras that a gaming pc provides. Plus, the best system is the one with the best library.
alexandros
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I'm more than happy to discuss this and be convinced otherwise. In what way is it clouding my judgment?
I don't think anyone buys a console thinking they'll be in a free environment. A wallet vote for a console is a vote for the type of console-exclusive games that will be on it (at least that's how I see it anyway).
...but conversely, the environment a game is created in affects the game. Sure, you can play Super Mario Galaxy on PC through emulation, but it wouldn't have been the same game if it was built deliberately for PC. Not to imply that games made for PC would automatically be worse... but it's similarly incorrect to imply that they'd be automatically better. Best to work on the metric of what the games are now; a known quantity, not the hypothetical game built for a different environment.
I'm not claiming otherwise. Everything has its exclusives, which is *why* a statement like "Enthusiast players want the ultimate games system and that is the PC" riles me somewhat. Enthusiast players want the games. The systems are a secondary consideration.
The title of the thread suggests the former; I'd argue that the quote suggests the latter.
I absolutely agree that multiplatform, prioritising where the games you want to play lie, is the way to go.
That is most likely true. Do remember though that the whole DRM argument started because someone brought up DRM as an argument in favor of consoles.
You are..too extreme in your sentences I guess? Dunno how to put it into words exactly, you seem more relaxed and less involved when the topic at hand doesn't involve PC vs Consoles etc.
Pjsprojects
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PC & WiiU is for me.
But I want Ryse....
But I want Ryse....
gundamkyoukai
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Because MS show people willing pay for it rather simple , just like Nvidia over price there cards and people willing to pay for it also .
Still i don't see why PC and consoles gamer can't get along .
In fact PC gamers have never had as good IMO consoles gamer pay the budget for some AAA games and PC gamers get to play them also but with max settings .
iamshadowlark
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There's alot of different kinds of fallacies. Ignoratio elenchi for example.
Are you kidding me right now? There's DRM on PC that doesn't even let you use your purchased product if it doesn't run or isn't functioning correctly. Games that get console releases with no such mechanism present. MS tried to implement something along that lines and we all know how that ended.
If you want to call the inability to modify certain files on a console game that were never intended by the developer to be modifiable DRM, then fine software licenses be damned I guess, but please spare me the bullshit that its somehow more intrusive than PC solutions.
Right. In fairness though a portion of the well-known DRM campaigns of terror come from the PC platform. My experiences with Games for Windows Live were all, quite simply, nightmares.
The GFWL boogeyman is gone though so no worries anymore...for now.
alexandros
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I have confidence in my arguments but I never dismiss an opposing view without first debating it. I'm always up for a good discussion, as long as the arguments are better than "lol salty Nvidia".
No, it's the other way around. As someone who plays primarily on the PC but enjoys so many other platforms, I find this "steam machines hurr durr" and the superiority complex of usual suspects pretty insecure and I was right in the case of a few posters here who got some quite interesting meltdowns in the past. They never surprised me. Working in IT I know quite a few elitists in real life as well and I can't get that pattern out of my head regarding certain elements of their personality because it fits...too often...with too much of an emotional investment, that illusion of being part of something they only put dollars in and the feel of being clever because they made that choice. If they are so clever, why that constant self-reaffirmation? Yes, insecurity.
jim-jam bongs
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Think of it this way: all games being available everywhere, the PC is the only worthwhile platform for an enthusiast. Free online, the highest fidelity, the broadest range of control options, mods, best game prices, the option for DRM free releases etc. All games aren't available everywhere though, so buy your consoles for exclusives and play the rest on PC like a boss.
Now let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
Now let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
I'm not sure what you mean with those fancy words but I'm gonna assume that you just told me I'm pretty.
Also, it's not like they said not to buy consoles. I took it as be more diverse.
theprodigy
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yeah well something something salty
alexandros
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How would the PC environment result in a worse Mario? I don't follow.
noconstant
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You are right, they are not free, but it's a great deal. I've been a subscriber since November 2012 (just renewed for just 30!!), and I've had access to lots of great games, not to mention some great games I purchased discounted.
Mechanized
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Wow what a funny coincidence they take this stance when their hardware is not being used in any current gen console. Weird.
There are elitists for anything though. Not just for PC games but consoles also.
He's talking about control schemes. Wii Sports limiting itself to Wii controls ended up with a more unique game than if it was designed to be a multiplatform. Think of it in the same way as the M&KB games that can't do the transition to gamepad succesfully (RTS).
If you wanted to do something like that on PC, you'd first have to ensure that there's enough market that bought the control scheme. It's the reason why Microsoft wants to force Kinect into Xbox One; they believe better and more unique games will come out of that if they're specifically designed for it... Whether it works out or not remains to be seen. They couldn't justify making hardcore big-budget titles exclusively for Kinect on the Xbox 360, because that audience probably didn't buy many Kinects.
At the moment on PC, the only comparable example I can think of is the Oculus Rift-only games, which are essentially a bet that VR will hopefully work out well enough to justify it.
Ah, alexandros. I needed a laugh today.
I think it's because mass consumers never understood what PlayStation Plus was. By making it a necessity, they're forcing people on board the happy train. Think of it as state health care!
Yep, add a PC and go with AMD seeing as they are already in every current console. And if Mantle gets as widely adopted as it seems it will then it marginalizes Nvidia further.
But I'm incredibly bias here.
But I'm incredibly bias here.
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