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PS4 fastest-selling console in UK history, outsells Wii U LTD in UK [250K PS4 in 48h]

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Zafir

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The one difference here is that the Wii U will not be the end of Nintendo as the Dreamcast was for Sega. Despite slow sales the Wii U should easily top 10 million units sold in its lifetime, and Nintendo can try again later.

If anything, a short life cycle for the Wii U might be very beneficial for Nintendo in the long run. If Nintendo can position their console generations to refresh in the middle of their competitors they can come out with weaker/cheaper hardware at times where they aren't completely outclassed for an entire generation, just half of it.

The biggest problem though Nintendo is facing is the fact that the audience that made the Wii so successful is completely gone now. They're back to selling 20 million units to Nintendo fans like they did with the Gamecube. They can survive on that if they're smart, but they need to figure something out if they want to sell more.
Pretty much.

The Wii grabbed the casuals, but they've moved onto phones/tablets now, and they weren't coming back for some tablet controller. Especially with how much they screwed up on branding. No point trying to be smart with your name when it ends up just confusing everyone.

They'll survive, like they did with the Gamecube, just hopefully for them they do a better job next time.
 

traveler

Not Wario
The one difference here is that the Wii U will not be the end of Nintendo as the Dreamcast was for Sega. Despite slow sales the Wii U should easily top 10 million units sold in its lifetime, and Nintendo can try again later.

If anything, a short life cycle for the Wii U might be very beneficial for Nintendo in the long run. If Nintendo can position their console generations to refresh in the middle of their competitors they can come out with weaker/cheaper hardware at times where they aren't completely outclassed for an entire generation, just half of it.

The biggest problem though Nintendo is facing is the fact that the audience that made the Wii so successful is completely gone now. They're back to selling 20 million units to Nintendo fans like they did with the Gamecube. They can survive on that if they're smart, but they need to figure something out if they want to sell more.

It would be interesting if Nintendo started the next one out really early and then began putting their consoles out halfway through a generation, so as to not really compete with the other two at all. I wouldn't even feel shafted if the Wii U only had another year or two either as I'm pretty sure the library it will have by the end of next year is going to be better to me than the other two's will be by the end of their life. Would consumers lose too much trust in the company if they pulled that, though? I guess they'd really only be shafting the hardcore adopters who picked it up anyways, and those are the consumers most likely to continue supporting them no matter what anyways. I don't think it'll happen or that it's a good idea necessarily, but it would be an intriguing experiment anyways.
 
The one difference here is that the Wii U will not be the end of Nintendo as the Dreamcast was for Sega. Despite slow sales the Wii U should easily top 10 million units sold in its lifetime, and Nintendo can try again later.

If anything, a short life cycle for the Wii U might be very beneficial for Nintendo in the long run. If Nintendo can position their console generations to refresh in the middle of their competitors they can come out with weaker/cheaper hardware at times where they aren't completely outclassed for an entire generation, just half of it.

The biggest problem though Nintendo is facing is the fact that the audience that made the Wii so successful is completely gone now. They're back to selling 20 million units to Nintendo fans like they did with the Gamecube. They can survive on that if they're smart, but they need to figure something out if they want to sell more.

The biggest consequence of the Wii U's failure is the possibility of no more home consoles from Nintendo.

The biggest consequence of the Dreamcast's failure was Sega's near-bankruptcy.
 

hEist

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That's a queue for Ps4?

Holy shittt

Is that for the PS4?

naa.
happened 6 years ago in Berlin of the reopening of MediaMarkt, if i remember right.
 

Skilletor

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If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those
 

Daingurse

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Just to clarify, is it gameplay in Knack you like better?

The way this statement is written implies you'll be interested in any game whatsoever so long as it does not feature Mario. Like, someone could take 3D World/Galaxy/insert other here, swap out the character models, and it would suddenly be a game you desire. Is this correct?

I have no interest in the character, or the series aesthetics at all. You'd have to change a lot of stuff for me to have any interest. Not just remove Mario. The franchise has never personally appealed to me and I don't think it ever will. Knack is more interesting to me simply by default, which says more about how much I dislike Mario, as opposed to saying anything about Knack's quality.

I haven't played Knack, no idea whether I'd even like it, but I still want to try it. I'm completely indifferent towards 3D World, all the media I've seen has done absolutely nothing for me.
 

Coxy

Member
If anything, a short life cycle for the Wii U might be very beneficial for Nintendo in the long run.

I think the complete opposite, I think one of the key reasons Wii U isnt selling is because of how short Wii's life was, they left it barren fior years while 360 and especially PS3 kept pushing new titles right up until the new generation.

People dont buy a console for one game, they might get pushed over the edge by one, but only if they believe there'll be plenty of other great stuff along the way.

I think PS4 is benefitting hugely from Sony's steadfast support of PS3
 

Iacobellis

Junior Member
If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those

HEHE!!!
 
Third-party support on the Wii U was already spotty, but it's going to be non-existent when the two other consoles each outsell the Wii U's LTD by the end of the financial year.
 

satam55

Banned
My sister is still the proud owner of a wii. I asked her if she knew what a wii U was when we were together for thanksgiving. She had no idea it existed and was somewhat interested in buying it after I told her about it. It is, by all means, a marketing failure on nintendo's part man. Never shoulda named it wii U.

Yep, same here! My sister saw a WiiU commercial & thought the tablet was the WiiU & a accessory for the original Wii.
 
If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those

I had to walk away from the computer. Just... no...
 

Azure J

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The biggest consequence of the Wii U's failure is the possibility of no more home consoles from Nintendo.

The biggest consequence of the Dreamcast's failure is Sega's near-bankruptcy.

You know, I'll never get how so many people see this happening and with such a steadfast belief in it. Nintendo seems to want to move into the direction of no more specialty hardware that requires two different approaches for and not into a direction ends their tenure in the home console arena. At least, that's what I understood from Iwata's conference call where the "omg they might kill their home consoles/the hybrid is real/etc."

That's a good direction for them because it would pretty much decisively end their inability to be prolific in both of their hardware areas. Wii U's tepid performance probably means that the company is not going to be looking into continuing the "Wii" philosophy any further than this.
 
Jesus WiiU is straight up getting thugged by the competition. Its like it has reached the point of no return. I really hope ninty drops its price to 200$ here in the US to give it one last chance if there is still any left. Cant let it fie without trying to revive it.
 

RurouniZel

Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I have no interest in the character, or the series aesthetics at all. You'd have to change a lot of stuff for me to have any interest. Not just remove Mario. The franchise has never personally appealed to me and I don't think it ever will. Knack is more interesting to me simply by default, which says more about how much I dislike Mario, as opposed to saying anything about Knack's quality.

I haven't played Knack, no idea whether I'd even like it, but I still want to try it. I'm completely indifferent towards 3D World, all the media I've seen has done absolutely nothing for me.

Okay, thanks for the clarification. I don't see why Mario is such a hated character these days, but I don't want to be accusatory or judgmental either. Different strokes for different folks. :)
 
If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those

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Zafir

Member
I think the complete opposite, I think one of the key reasons Wii U isnt selling is because of how short Wii's life was, they left it barren fior years while 360 and especially PS3 kept pushing new titles right up until the new generation.

People dont buy a console for one game, they might get pushed over the edge by one, but only if they believe there'll be plenty of other great stuff along the way.

I think PS4 is benefitting hugely from Sony's steadfast support of PS3
Nah. Let's face it. The Wii sold what it did because it was a fad among the 'casuals'. The fad died, and they moved onto the next fad, smart phones. The branding/marketing of the Wii U was awful, meaning many of those 'casuals' never even understood what it was. Not to mention adding the tablet controller, they completely missed the point of why phones/tablets were popular, hint: they're portable and easy to pick up and play.

The other issue is, the Wii didn't cater to the majority of hardcore gamers with the exception of nintendo fans, so they'd already lost those before the Wii U came out.

Which leads onto why the Wii U is selling so little. The only market they've got supporting them is Nintendo fans really. Them and us crazy people who buy every console regardless(I just can't help it).

They need to rethink their strategy in the home console market. The quicker they do that, the better.
 

kurbaan

Banned
If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those

You should be embarassed.
 
If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those

Im just gonna walk away slowly from my PC.
 

Daingurse

Member
Okay, thanks for the clarification. I don't see why Mario is such a hated character these days, but I don't want to be accusatory or judgmental either. Different strokes for different folks. :)

That's pretty much all it is. I'd never say Mario games are shit, they just don't appeal to me.
 
I think the complete opposite, I think one of the key reasons Wii U isnt selling is because of how short Wii's life was, they left it barren fior years while 360 and especially PS3 kept pushing new titles right up until the new generation.

People dont buy a console for one game, they might get pushed over the edge by one, but only if they believe there'll be plenty of other great stuff along the way.

I think PS4 is benefitting hugely from Sony's steadfast support of PS3

Not just that, but Sony basically rewrote their fortune after a terrible start, (that incidentally they also brought upon themselves by their own hubris).

But unlike Sony with PS3, Nintendo can't play the long run with the WiiU. The WiiU hasn't gotten the tech to make it relevant even beyond 2014, it doesn't have the 3rd party support to make it relevant after 2012.

Unlike the PS3, the WiiU won't be able to be a late bloomer because it lacks everything needed for that to happen. At best Nintendo regroups and takes this brutal beating as a lesson for future products. Try to get a year or two more out of the WiiU, to at least appease the few Nintendo fans that are left, and then launch a system that is actually relevant both in terms of tech, features, and vision.

Iwata said that Nintendo needs to do it's own thing and see if the market accepts it... well it's pretty clear that the market has spoken. The WiiU is not wanted, it's a dud and should be killed off sooner rather than later.

The worst case scenario now would be for Nintendo to simply trying to stay on course, doing nothing but making up lame excuses, ignoring consumer trends and expectations.
 
Ok then, Lego Marvel Super Heroes. That beat it by an even wider margin than Knack.

I don't know what's going on other people's heads when they're making arguments or comparisons between Knack and Super Mario, but I guess what's funny about it was that Knack was largely considered by the industry a rather average title, even though it was developed by someone who is immensely popular within the gaming community right now, and Mario World received a lot of praise from most outlets and great scores, but even so, the "inferior" title beat it.

In the case of Lego Marvel Super Heroes and Mario, it's not as interesting of a comparison because for one it is multi-platform, while Knack and Mario are platform exclusives, and secondly, it is also a combination of two well-established franchises: Lego games and Marvel Heroes, which happen to be very popular at this time, whereas Knack was not well-known to most of its target audience until this point.

So there you go, my best assumption of why people compare the two games.
 

Azure J

Member
If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those

This has to be in the same league as that youtube rap someone did over California Love about how the mods were bad here... :lol :lol :lol
 

CoG

Member
I wonder if the Xbox is going to see the same decline it saw in Japan in the EU this gen. It was never a hot seller there but I think it's pretty much boned this gen.
 

Deadstar

Member
Sony, strike while the iron is hot. Release Demon's Souls 2 so that the world might be mended......so the world might be mended....
 

Thorgi

Member
If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those

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Zafir

Member
I wonder if the Xbox is going to see the same decline it saw in Japan in the EU this gen. It was never a hot seller there but I think it's pretty much boned this gen.
Depends on what exclusives they managed to obtain.
 

lupinko

Member
If you're feeling sorry for me, I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but games ain't one.

I got Bayonetta on stack fa sho
Mario Kart gonna come out and ya’ll’s mouths’ll close
Game critics say U’s has no game is gettin old
I’m a gamer stupid what type of facts is those

One could easily do the same for PS4 using Ice-T's OG version.
 

Alchemy

Member
I wouldn't even feel shafted if the Wii U only had another year or two either as I'm pretty sure the library it will have by the end of next year is going to be better to me than the other two's will be by the end of their life.

It doesn't even have to be that early. If the PS4/Xbone only last 6 years, Nintendo can squeeze another three years out of the Wii U before releasing another system. A four year cycle isn't that bad.

I think the complete opposite, I think one of the key reasons Wii U isnt selling is because of how short Wii's life was, they left it barren fior years while 360 and especially PS3 kept pushing new titles right up until the new generation.

People dont buy a console for one game, they might get pushed over the edge by one, but only if they believe there'll be plenty of other great stuff along the way.

I think PS4 is benefitting hugely from Sony's steadfast support of PS3

Increasing the Wii's life cycle wouldn't have changed how barren the software landscape was for the Wii, the problem is Nintendo can only make so much software on their own and there was little reason for third parties to support the Wii outside of games like Just Dance.

Nintendo just needs to stagger releases better and handle supporting multiple platforms. And I'm not suggesting completely switching to a 4-5 year console life cycle, but to do that just with the Wii U so they can find a way to refresh in the middle of their competitions life cycles. If Nintendo release a system in three years that is more comparable to the PS4, they will have less competition because there won't be any competitive hardware releases in the near future and won't be as looked down for being the weaker console.

Imagine if the Wii U didn't have a tablet controller, but instead released 4 years into the 360 and PS3 cycle. Suddenly the system is a lot more attractive to people directly comparing hardware numbers. Obviously this isn't the only answer for solving Nintendo's problems, but I think it could help.
 

Hedja

Member
That's all expected. The WiiU's marketing is near non-existent in the UK.

Knack selling more than 3D World probably has something to do with it being a bundled game and 3D World having little to no marketing here much like the WiiU. Though, I wouldn't rule out beating it as a standalone. This country has terrible taste in video games. Going into game stores to check prices, looking at weekly rankings, it's all extremely depressing.
 
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