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[Knuf]

I think Xbox One stood at 1.5~1.7million by the end of November considering lack of launch countries/underwhelming sales in EU/yield issues. This will give PS4 about 0.5million lead in the race.

Do you really think MS was able to ship only 1m consoles for launch and 500k/700k the following week?
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I'd guesstimate XO is around 1.6-1.7m now on the higher end.

Last week's euro sales for XO were probably <=100k (UK was 20k). So assuming 500k or 600k last week in NA, we'd be at 1.6-1.7m. And that might be a high estimate for NA last week.

I'd expect PR from MS after Black Friday week if/when they pass 2m, but if takes very long after Sony's I think they won't bother.

You've got to keep in mind that continental Europe is very different from UK: there are many Day 1 Xbone editions still sitting on the shelves everywhere, the 20k consoles UK got last week are probably unsold stocks shifted from other EU launch countries to the UK.

 

[Billen]

All their promotional stuff lately, for real. Makes me feel like I am actually apart of some bigger culture, and not just some dumb college kid who plays Persona and Demon's Souls.

Sadly. : / Was actually my thought when Vita was announced: "You mean it's gonna be SRPG heaven again, with better hardware? Sign me up!"

Friend, there is NOTHING dumb about you if you play Demon's Souls.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

TLoU came out in 2013.

God of War, no. III may have come close to 5M but didn't clear it; neither I nor II did, and that was on PS2, and Ascension will not come close. Plus the story is a dead end, and there's franchise fatigue (same as Gears), so they'll need to do something to spruce it up to 5M+ sales.

Uncharted, yes, it got there.

TLoU, yes, that was a huge one by them.

They also lost MGS as a third-party exclusive big-seller.

I didn't say they don't have big sellers. They have only one massive blockbuster, however, GT, which I already mentioned.

In any case my point was they don't need first-party blockbusters to sell systems. That is not the chief determinant. The chief determinants are mind share (to skew 3rd paty sales) and being the CoD (or equivalent) machine.

GoW3 sold 5.2M as of June 2013.

And CoD machine? Really? Do you think the majority of people bought the PS3 or 360 for CoD?

 

[MrCookiepants]

I think Xbox One stood at 1.3~1.4million by the end of November considering lack of launch countries/underwhelming sales in EU/yield issues. This will give PS4 about 0.7million lead in the race.

However, I still think Xbox One had a successful launch especially after their DRM reverse, PR disaster, FOUR HUNDRED NIGHTY-NINE price tag.

Yes, XBOne is doing very well all things considered. MS will fight hard to keep the US.

 

[metalslimer]

Do you really think MS was able to ship only 1m consoles for launch and 500k/700k the following week?
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I think we are talking about sales not shipments here.

Yes, XBOne is doing very well all things considered. MS will fight hard to keep the US.

It will be interesting to see how the 499 price point pans out outside of the holiday season. In terms of having that ridiculous UK price, I am impressed though. Hopefully competition will keep both companies honest and in the end both turn out great and sell great. Another bad start for a generation is not what is needed at all.

 

[GoofsterStud]

Do you really think MS was able to ship only 1m consoles for launch and 500k/700k the following week?
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If I were Microsoft I would of released them all on day one for the free PR.

 

[Nags]

Kudos to Sony indeed. Good for them to see how much the positive buzz of the past months has actually translated into sales for them.

Still, I can't help but feel bummed out that all of these 2.1 million PS4 owners (assuming everyone bought one to use and not to sell them that is) bought a system mostly on the promise of better times/games to come while Nintendo's unsuccesful Wii U launch was partly blamed by the press on a weak launch lineup. In a fair and just world, a fantastic game like Super Mario 3D World would have sold 2.1 million copies (and Wii U's) as well, but alas.

As I said before, even as a happy Playstation (1, 2, 3) owner I can't think of any reason to run out and buy a PS4 so soon after launch. None of the launch titles are enticing me, but it appears others aren't having that same problem. I still wonder what all of these mass market buyers are seeing / feeling that I am not, except perhaps to be able to follow the masses and play the most modern version (not counting PC) of big franchises like CoD and Battlefield.

It all seems to boil down to a vague underbelly feeling of zeitgeist hipness or momentum that makes these movements happen and that make people face the same direction. It especially keeps amazing me how fickle these things appear to be (with Nintendo's problematic Wii to Wii U transition, and Microsoft's problems with policies and their message to customers that allowed Sony to get a head start, being two good examples of how fickle such attention is from the mainstream masses.)

To be clear: I have nothing against Sony - or Microsoft - doing well, but I can't fully hide my feelings of "some of this success should befall on Nintendo as well because of their recent great games" either. In any case it will be fascinating to see how all of this will turn out in the long run and how this will impact game development (especially in Japan).

This post reminds of a lonely single aunt that gives you back handed compliments at your wedding, lol.

Suspicious sell-through numbers... MUST be all that scalper inflation. Nintendo launch hype snuffed by the media!
Oh geez man... whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

 

[GYNGA]

It's pretty clear now that Sony aimed to take the lead in the markets where Xb360 had an edge over PS3 - UK and US. Not a bad strategy for them I guess

 

[Carl]

Holy christ. Do not underestimate the power of Playstation

 

[demigod]

That's it? Not impressed, I thought they would have 1mil for NA, 1mil for EU and 500k for BF, guess not. Xbox One is probably at 1.5mil now thanks to BF.

 

[KyanMehwulfe]

china's the dark horse because there's still no major demand there. at least none that i've seen in ads, social media, etc (i have a fair bit of exposure to it). but the thing is, PS4 still technically has a chance in China... but the XBO premium for entertainment features is going to be a major turnoff there. micro-transactions can work there, even more than USA... far more than USA. but the entry price for content in general is a barrier... people typically don't expect to pay for movies, drama, or game... they expect advertising or micro-transactions to cover the cost. PS4 has a bit more freedom to work with this while keeping the cost of the console down. so much of the XBO system/content/premium is wrapped into design that just fundamentally won't work there.

so who knows if PS4 will succeed there but it at least has a chance. XBO doesn't really have one.

 

[Rafy]

I just got the press release about the EU and Australia but seems GAF is faster.

 

[Raist]

So 1.4 in NA/LA, 0.7 in EU/AU, which means 0.45 in the PAL region, the UK excluded. They really have prioritized the US/UK big time.

 

[bombshell]

It is very probably that XO has very similar numbers TBH. 2M is good but the Wii U is the big loser it seems.

Xbone is nowhere near 2M. Where should the additional 1M have come from since launch night?

 

[def sim]

That's great stuff for the industry. I'm looking forward to seeing where things are at a year from now!

 

[metalslimer]

That's it? Not impressed, I thought they would have 1mil for NA, 1mil for EU and 500k for BF, guess not. Xbox One is probably at 1.5mil now thanks to BF.

Is there any launch that was bigger?

 

[Binabik15]

Good numbers for Sony.

In addition, they are air freighting units to the UK according to MCV, which means the 250,000 will grow very quickly over here, each planeload can bring around 10,000 units and I expect Sony have two or three arriving every day for the next two weeks. The big boat from China is expected on the 11th of December in Rotterdam, that is the massive pre-Xmas consignment for Europe.

I hope they have Gundams watching that freighter and sink any pirates or mutated whales coming near it. Interesting stuff you're posting, as always.

 

[RedRedSuit]

GoW3 sold 5.2M as of June 2013.

Addressed above. Stood corrected, etc., though most likely shipped numbers.

And CoD machine? Really? Do you think the majority of people bought the PS3 or 360 for CoD?

360's strong performance in the U.S. was definitely in large part due to it being the CoD console of choice. Few people would dispute this. (Of course, it wasn't the only important factor.) CoD was also a major, major seller on PS3. Since PS3 still did well sales-wise (not so much in terms of profitability) worldwide, in order to really dominate MS they would need to take away the CoD advantage (and pricing/general mind share, as I said, which they are definitely doing so far).

Kinect also was a big factor at the tail end... hopefully that's done now.

 

[Ishan]

Halo 4 still outsold every PS3 title including the CODs

seriously . Its like gran turismo doesnt exist in your world. GT sells more than any exclusive more or less (nintendo aside.) ... MS halo gow etc do better than sony exclusives in general just on a few franchises vs sales rating ... but GT sells . A LOT.

 

[SolidSnakex]

It's pretty clear now that Sony aimed to take the lead in the markets where Xb360 had an edge over PS3 - UK and US. Not a bad strategy for them I guess

Well, everywhere is is pretty much safe for them so it makes sense. Go after the markets that they had issues in during the previous gen.

That's it? Not impressed, I thought they would have 1mil for NA, 1mil for EU and 500k for BF, guess not. Xbox One is probably at 1.5mil now thanks to BF.

If they couldn't ship any more than that then what are they supposed to do? The fact that they have to keep saying "Hey guys, we've got more units coming your way" shows that they're running into supply issues.

 

[VXLbeast]

No, I am not "way" off. I and II did not reach 5 million, unless you add in $10-apiece HD rereleases from years later. III did, barely, as I acknowledged above, though these are likely shipped numbers. In addition, the story hole and franchise fatigue points stand. Then there is Ascension.

I've heard Ascensions sales were pretty brutal. Have we heard anything concrete about that? Would be curious in a morbid sort of way.

Friend, there is NOTHING dumb about you if you play Demon's Souls.

Haha, thanks mate.

 

[zhao3gold]

Do you really think MS was able to ship only 1m consoles for launch and 500k/700k the following week?
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You've got to keep in mind that continental Europe is very different from UK: there are many Day 1 Xbone editions still sitting on the shelves everywhere, the 20k consoles UK got last week are probably unsold stocks shifted from other EU launch countries to the UK.

No, I was wrong. I think it will be around 1.3~1.4millions. I messed up their launch date.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

It is very probably that XO has very similar numbers TBH. 2M is good but the Wii U is the big loser it seems.

Doubtful. 1.3-1.5m is probably where they are right now. They can't ship 1m globally for week one and then ship another million for week two. Week one includes a lot of stockpiles, week two to a much lesser degree. Microsoft don't have the production capacity to match PS4 figures.

 

[SmokyDave]

Kudos to Sony indeed. Good for them to see how much the positive buzz of the past months has actually translated into sales for them.

Still, I can't help but feel bummed out that all of these 2.1 million PS4 owners (assuming everyone bought one to use and not to sell them that is) bought a system mostly on the promise of better times/games to come while Nintendo's unsuccesful Wii U launch was partly blamed by the press on a weak launch lineup. In a fair and just world, a fantastic game like Super Mario 3D World would have sold 2.1 million copies (and Wii U's) as well, but alas.

As I said before, even as a happy Playstation (1, 2, 3) owner I can't think of any reason to run out and buy a PS4 so soon after launch. None of the launch titles are enticing me, but it appears others aren't having that same problem. I still wonder what all of these mass market buyers are seeing / feeling that I am not, except perhaps to be able to follow the masses and play the most modern version (not counting PC) of big franchises like CoD and Battlefield.

It all seems to boil down to a vague underbelly feeling of zeitgeist hipness or momentum that makes these movements happen and that make people face the same direction. It especially keeps amazing me how fickle these things appear to be (with Nintendo's problematic Wii to Wii U transition, and Microsoft's problems with policies and their message to customers that allowed Sony to get a head start, being two good examples of how fickle such attention is from the mainstream masses.)

To be clear: I have nothing against Sony - or Microsoft - doing well, but I can't fully hide my feelings of "some of this success should befall on Nintendo as well because of their recent great games" either. In any case it will be fascinating to see how all of this will turn out in the long run and how this will impact game development (especially in Japan).

Personally I bought one because it does have titles I want to play (Resogun and NFS: Rivals especially), and because I know it will receive solid first and third party support throughout the entirety of the coming generation. It's also an exquisite piece of kit from top to bottom. It has nothing to do with being fickle or following the masses, and everything to do with wanting to own what is shaping up to be a fucking killer games console.

Nintendo don't deserve success because they managed to produce one must-have game in an entire year on an underpowered and under-featured console that has a release slate as barren as the Gobi Desert.

 

[Knuf]

I think we are talking about sales not shipments here

You could obviously be right, but if that was the case, don't you think we should already have a MS PR statement for those big numbers by now?

 

[LiLSnorpSnorp]

Owner of both, good to see a lot of adapters!

 

[revotron]

The true king has once again been crowned.

It's only going to get better from here as more games release.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

Daaaaamn. That's a solid start.

 

[ThisWreckage]

Expected. I'm more interested to see what happens holiday season of 2014 on the worldwide stage. I think that's where you'll see Sony pull away and never look back.

 

[terrier]

In the U.S, it did. Sorry should have clarified.

it will be interesting to see US numbers if PS4 and XBO have similar installed base, unlike PS360 times when 360 had twice the consoles sold.

 

[xkramz]

XBO<3PS4 they need each other. Competition is extremely healthy for the industry( & us gamers too!) So who cares who sells more, what matter is the real winners are us!

 

[Triple U]

No, I am not "way" off. I and II did not reach 5 million, unless you add in $10-apiece HD rereleases. III did, barely, as I acknowledged above, though these are likely shipped numbers. In addition, the story hole and franchise fatigue points stand.

You're way off in saying that he's way off. All the first 3 console titles are 4 million plus sellers, the latter two over 4.5 million. They're pretty close, far from "way off".

 

[RedRedSuit]

I've heard Ascensions sales were pretty brutal. Have we heard anything concrete about that? Would be curious in a morbid sort of way.

Just things like half the sales of III in the launch period. (That's despite a huge increase in install base.)

As an aside, I personally am a big fan of the series. Yet when you have to resort to prequels on the flagship console, without any good story reason to do so, you know you are in trouble just on an artistic level. They must have known that and not put their A team on it. I don't think God of War necessarily has the kind of consumer loyalty that can survive that if it just keeps going in that fashion. I think people aren't so attached to the lore of it that they'll just keep buying it no matter what.

You're way off in saying that he's way off. All the first 3 console titles are 4 million plus sellers, the latter two over 4.5 million. They're pretty close, far from "way off".

Heh, OK. How about... "one has to really strain to make that assertion"? I think that's better.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

Yep, I think Aus and NZ are sold out due to pre-orders until a 3rd shipment in January.

Yeah we get the short end Gotta make those US and UK numbers look good!

 

[zhao3gold]

Yes, XBOne is doing very well all things considered. MS will fight hard to keep the US.

Yes, MS will fight hard to keep the US.

I wish under such high stress, MS can finally realize that the key factor to determine a console success is still the games.

I hope they will do their best to make their first party exclusive games/open their pocket to fund some 3rd party projects/exclusive games. Then, at least, we, Xbox fans will be happy although X1 sales will be much less than PS4.

We play games, not sales, don't we?

 

[cyberheater]

That's it? Not impressed, I thought they would have 1mil for NA, 1mil for EU and 500k for BF, guess not. Xbox One is probably at 1.5mil now thanks to BF.

They can only sell what they've made.

 

[disap.ed]

Wii U has shipped 4 million to retailers. A lower amount has sold-through to consumers.

PS4 sold 2.1 million to consumers in a few days after the European launch.

This was till the end of September though, we will see what November did to this number.

 

[Salex_]

XBO<3PS4 they need each other. Competition is extremely healthy for the industry( & us gamers too!) So who cares who sells more, what matter is the real winners are us!

Im not understanding why this statement is drilled into so many people...?

 

[Raist]

The big boat from China is expected on the 11th of December in Rotterdam, that is the massive pre-Xmas consignment for Europe.

They should just buy a whole fleet of A380. I mean how long is it taking by boat, 2 months?

 

[RE_Player]

People keep on saying competition is healthy like it applies to everything. Some aspects yes and some no. Competition also breeds stupid business practices like exclusive dlc, time limited dlc or exclusive content. Imagine if certain theatre chains got an exclusive 5 minutes extra for the next Marvel super hero movie. It's stupid but we are all too far in to realize.

 

[VXLbeast]

Im not understanding why this statement is drilled into so many people...?

~~Can't we all just get along?~~

It's not a bad sentiment, but Y2kev's post pretty brilliantly responds to it.

 

[NemesisPrime]

PS4 could be huge in China now that they can freely import consoles.

A Japanese product? A bit unlikely. The Chinese would just prefer to make one of their own. BTW PC gaming is big in China.

 

[NemesisPrime]

Microsoft don't have the production capacity to match PS4 figures.

Lol?

 

[xkramz]

Im not understanding why this statement is drilled into so many people...?

Do you really think that if Sony didn't have any competition that the price would still be $400?

 

[VXLbeast]

A Japanese product? A bit unlikely. The Chinese would just prefer to make one of their own. BTW PC gaming is big in China.

Lol?

Nice double post mate. What's so funny about this numbers from zomb?

And the whole "Chinese people don't like Japanese products" really needs to be retired.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

Great start, and I imagine Microsoft are not too far behind.

 

[zhao3gold]

The problem for MS is their strong area UK/US has very less brand loyalty comparing to mainland EU. US/UK customers are chasing price rather than brand. With that high price tag, I don't think MS can win back US/UK easily without price drop. The damages were already made, now MS needs the solution to recover it.

MS used to make Sony desperate and then we have a better Sony.
I hope this time Sony will make MS desperate and then we will have a better MS.

Sorry to Nintendo, I don't see future of Wii U although I have 2 already.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Do you really think that if Sony didn't have any competition that the price would still be $400?

Yes? Especially after what happened with the PS3.

 

[sono]

Congratulations Sony on a good launch

but

Sounds hugely under shipped for Europe.

I agree, it sounds like they literally couldnt make enough ?


Also to those dissing the Vita in this thread - try owning one, I recommend it, its the best handheld going and made better with PS4 compatibility

They've put up a 'thank you' video, euro-launch focussed, with footage from the different euro events:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbB_yQ0vrf4

Nice..that gave me goosebumps.

 

[VXLbeast]

Do you really think that if Sony didn't have any competition that the price would still be $400?

It would cost however much the most number of people would be willing to pay for it.