Ragingnight
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yes he had all the tools and opportunity to beat it. He just blanked out and got mind fucked.
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Scrubbing out the win: Examples of "bad" players winning competitive games
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yes he had all the tools and opportunity to beat it. He just blanked out and got mind fucked.
darkpaladinmfc
Member
What does beat em' up experience have to do with fighting games? ;p
the terms are interchangeable overseas
Was reading the thread while playing KI and i just lost a match because i kept using counter breaker or breaking the stuff that you usually see in "high level" matches, when the guy i'm almost sure didn't even know how to break something lol
Still awesome video, easily the most entertaining match of the year
Still awesome video, easily the most entertaining match of the year
This has happened to me, and everyone who plays online, plenty of times.
You can easily get caught off guard for a round or two when you suddenly find yourself playing against someone who plays completely random/unsafe.
It's especially frustrating when you only play one game against someone and there's no chance for adjusting.
Any more than a round or two and it's kind of on you though, by the second or third match you really should have adapted. Playing in front of an audience also adds a lot of pressure of course.
You can easily get caught off guard for a round or two when you suddenly find yourself playing against someone who plays completely random/unsafe.
It's especially frustrating when you only play one game against someone and there's no chance for adjusting.
Any more than a round or two and it's kind of on you though, by the second or third match you really should have adapted. Playing in front of an audience also adds a lot of pressure of course.
Teknopathetic
Member
I H8 Memes, you can talk about the skill cap of fighting games compared to DotA/SC2 when you stop crying to Milkman to help carry you in scrims after you get kicked out of teams.
Teknopathetic
Member
Nah, I haven't played in a while.
theprodigy
Member
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Bruce Lee too. It's what I kept telling myself when I was into SC tournaments "you can't outwit what don't think" cuz one of my worst weaknesses was overanalyzing situations which hurts FAR more with Johnny Q. Maxi than a tournament opponent.
Ceallach
Smells like fresh rosebuds
Not gonna lie. this shit happens to me in KoF 13 on Steam from time to time. Someone will come in and just do shit that makes no sense. Like I was playing against a vanilla Kyo and they would try to hit me with a j2c which i assume will lead into cra or b. But nope fucking Oboroguruma. WTF are you doing. And I will get merc'd by just random ass flailing.
freethoughtbubble
Member
Oh God, that shot of the commentators afterwards was the best. Guy on the left couldn't stop laughing; the one on the right looked like he was in physical pain...
Holy Order Sol
Member
Kyo random 3/4 screen hcb+D lel
SeventhSon
Member
Excellent point! Bruce Lee's Tao of Jeet Kune Do is the counter to these accusations of 'scubbiness' for 'not playing right.'
EscapingJail
Member
The starcraft player ActionJesus fits this thread description pretty well
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ActionJesuz
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ActionJesuz
I had to take my headphones off
RockTurtle
Member
Quite a few sadly. We have a lot of that in NYC amongst most of the competitive fighting games.
vas_a_morir
Banned
he has some micro-skills, though. Cheesing at the top level always requires some solid skills.
SeventhSon
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thesolidshark
Member
Congrats to the winner.
Baleoce
Member
That's the equivalent of a day one Ryu, but you can't criticize FSB too heavily unless you're prepared to go out to a tournament yourself and put yourself on the line. That being said, a lot of what the casters were saying was spot on. Those types of situations where your opponent is clearly doing silly shit, you just hold down/back and bait them out and what for them to kill themselves with unsafe shit and then just punish them.
vas_a_morir
Banned
Ghandi's cheeky smile... he's a fucking hero. He made that guy look like such a whiny idiot loser.
Ghandi is so dumb he's SMART.
Ghandi is so dumb he's SMART.
SeventhSon
Member
"Stupid like a fox!"
That's actually a great example on how in some sense this could happen even at the highest level of play, and even that the dota/moba community is not that different than the fgc.
Lots of people forgot that the point of the game is not winning team matches. Is destroying the ancient, yet, Alliance were criticized as guys who played "rat dota" (A term that IMO is as derogative as scrub since is playing down your skill) for daring to push to the ancient knowing than in team fights were screwed.
Seriously, every community has big idiots at the same quantity as guys that are super friendly and could help you out if you are not a pain in the ass. I know this since I play FGC and Mobas (and even counter lol) and I know the best and worst side of both. This is the thing that I hate about modern or competitive gaming, people care way too much for the players rather than the game, and are more worried to bash to other games that enjoying their own
As for the actual video, FSP is not a pro, and he really felt to "scrubby" tactics. But I fallen to those tactics too since I'm not a pro, so I can't laugh that much. Now Ghandi mannerisms are very funny
Was watching LevelUp Live last night on the stream, and at one point the commentator said, "Chris with the jump fierce into DP. Looking like Ghandi out there right now."
Haha. I really hope this sticks. Ghandi and his new technology/metagame are too much for anyone on the tournament circuit to handle right now, son! He's already inspiring a new wave of imitators.
Haha. I really hope this sticks. Ghandi and his new technology/metagame are too much for anyone on the tournament circuit to handle right now, son! He's already inspiring a new wave of imitators.
He was mentally broke early on, likely enhanced with the pressure of being in a tournament and on stream.
I've fallen to this trap online, too. Nothing irritates me faster than when I'm losing to bad play, when my opponent is throwing out high risk, high reward moves and I get hit because I'm careless.
If I'm smart I control myself, slow the pace of the match, and counterattack until my opponent is forced to change up their tactics or lose. A lot of time I do what this Rufus player did and go wild and rush in for blood, which sometimes works but works a lot less frequently than patient counterattacking.
Hey, at least you got to play. CW that year was a clusterfuck.
My mistake, it was Civil War IV. That was the year Chris G and swept. I heard CWIII was insane and not in a good way lol.
Speedloafer
Neo Member
Commentators come across as elitist pricks, especially the black guy, fucking sniggering at the end refusing to acknowledge the underdogs victory. In any sporting (ok this is a stretch calling it a sport) event the commentators would congratulate the winner especially if he was an underdog, not sit there laughing to themselves. People like that give us gamers a bad rep.
You would think by their reaction a 4 year old girl just stepped in the ring and KO'd Mike Tyson in the 1st. Arseholes.
You would think by their reaction a 4 year old girl just stepped in the ring and KO'd Mike Tyson in the 1st. Arseholes.
Come on, man. How could you stop yourself from laughing in that situation?
They even said that they weren't laughing at either player or mocking them.
Speedloafer
Neo Member
If you believe that then let me show you how to make your Xbox one backwards compatible.
n00bsauce87
Member
If you look closely enough from the Gandhi v FSP match, at the very end, both commentators give a facepalm on cue.
Yes, they were absolutely laughing at the match/players. Commentators aren't allowed to laugh? Give me a fucking break. The shit was funny as fuck, period. You expect them to not call a spade a spade? Shit was horrible play all around. Fuck that everybody's a winner type gg bullshit. If some play is sloppy I expect the commentators(who know how to play the game) to comment on why something was suspect or smart. There was nothing elitist about their commentary. Do you play any competitive sort of games?
I have to agree. Their laughter was genuine and warranted. There was nothing mean-spirited or condescending about it.
This can absolutely happen in Dota and it does, on a few levels.
You can encounter people in the laning phase who attack with reckless abandon and you can get caught because you expect them to do the smart thing and avoid just walking up and hitting you since there are consequences for doing that: an enemy teammate could be hiding in the fog and just walk up and catch you out of position, or the creeps could do enough damage to you to make you easy to kill, or the enemy could teleport using their tower before you're able to finish them off and then you die instead.
However, given that most people understand that threat, if you're used to playing against good players, you don't expect someone to just walk up and hit you and chase you until you're dead, so it can catch you off guard when someone throws caution to the wind and just wants to man-fight. Your teammates won't be anticipating such an idiotic move early on and may not be carrying teleport scrolls yet, or you're so caught up thinking "wtf?" that you don't realize you can just stun them and escape.
This can happen on a larger scale with teams. You will encounter teams of people who don't try to do the more strategic thing of distributing income around their core heroes by having them in individual lanes where they can accrue gold. They just decide early on, fuck it, we're going 5-man, and every time they show up as 5 and steamroll your 2-hero partnership, the "wtf are they doing?" factor can cause slip-ups as your teammates desperately jump in too late to try and help and die themselves one by one.
FSP only had a maximum of 9 rounds to win. In Dota, "rounds" come much more frequently (and since it's partly PvE, you have a chance to observe your opponent before you even fight them), giving you a chance to learn your opponent's style and adapt. Fighting game players have to learn and adapt much, much faster.
Still, this can happen in any sport or game, not just fighting games.
You can encounter people in the laning phase who attack with reckless abandon and you can get caught because you expect them to do the smart thing and avoid just walking up and hitting you since there are consequences for doing that: an enemy teammate could be hiding in the fog and just walk up and catch you out of position, or the creeps could do enough damage to you to make you easy to kill, or the enemy could teleport using their tower before you're able to finish them off and then you die instead.
However, given that most people understand that threat, if you're used to playing against good players, you don't expect someone to just walk up and hit you and chase you until you're dead, so it can catch you off guard when someone throws caution to the wind and just wants to man-fight. Your teammates won't be anticipating such an idiotic move early on and may not be carrying teleport scrolls yet, or you're so caught up thinking "wtf?" that you don't realize you can just stun them and escape.
This can happen on a larger scale with teams. You will encounter teams of people who don't try to do the more strategic thing of distributing income around their core heroes by having them in individual lanes where they can accrue gold. They just decide early on, fuck it, we're going 5-man, and every time they show up as 5 and steamroll your 2-hero partnership, the "wtf are they doing?" factor can cause slip-ups as your teammates desperately jump in too late to try and help and die themselves one by one.
FSP only had a maximum of 9 rounds to win. In Dota, "rounds" come much more frequently (and since it's partly PvE, you have a chance to observe your opponent before you even fight them), giving you a chance to learn your opponent's style and adapt. Fighting game players have to learn and adapt much, much faster.
Still, this can happen in any sport or game, not just fighting games.
This is probably the best post in the entire thread. Thanks for the insight and great examples.
Speedloafer
Neo Member
I never said they weren't allowed to laugh did I? Its what they were laughing at that I have a problem with. And I never said they have to be all "everybody is a winner". Where the fuck did you get that from? All through the match they were laughing. Laughing because the better player was getting beat by somebody with clearly inferior skills. And when the kid does finally win they sit there sniggering. Its fucking elitist. No "congratulations to the winner", no "well done kid". No we are just going to sit here and laugh, laugh because your shit and you beat a player who isn't.
What the fuck does playing "competitive sort of games" have to do with shit? What? I cant identify an elitist prick unless I have some sort of competitive game experience?
Exactly. All is fine with that fight. Elitist players might be upset but that's about who wins in the end. Its not just "move set skills" that decides and that video is the real proof.
Holy Order Sol
Member
But that's not equivalent to what happened there. Gandhi's opponent wasn't anywhere near the highest level of play. Read earlier in the thread, he's even a member here with some experience with the game and he just choked.
You might as well have, because you're saying that it's wrong for them to laugh at something that is clearly funny. They don't congratulate everyone after their matches are over. And this isn't really a match that would really be worthy of congratulating anyone on. Did you watch the match? It was hilariously bad ergo commentators laughed and were deconstructing just how poor the play was. lol @ the prospect of telling someone good job when they did a shit one. If that isn't some "everybody's a winner" shit then I don't know what is. There wasn't even anything mean spirited about their laughter.
Speedloafer
Neo Member
There is a difference between "everybody is a winner" and congratulating somebody when they win. You fail to see the difference. In no other competition would one competitor be laughed at so much. If he's a novice, then he's a novice, we all start somewhere. But why do they feel the need to sit there and just snigger at this kids effort? Its elitist, simple as that. Its the ugly side of gaming most people don't want to see. How would that display encourage anybody to play in future?
At the end of the day its only a video game, were hardly talking about Bobby Fisher levels of skill here.
Yeah, people really need to understand this. FSP is nowhere near top-player status, clearly. A top player would have absolutely wiped the floor with Ghandi without even trying. Hell, he fought some other random guy after FSP and got completely bodied by the worst character in the game.