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Scrubbing out the win: Examples of "bad" players winning competitive games
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Passive Assassin
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most of the top player pool matches were played offstream, so we got to see exciting things like fishstix #1 american vs the world and etc. but logan said it pretty well, fsp didn't adapt and lost.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Fun fact: nintendo showed the first match on a series of 10 brawl tutorials on their nintendo channel of the wii. NINTENDO SHOWING AN EVOLUTION MATCH!? Crazy if you think about what almost happened with melee at evo this year...
I think those were Sirlin videos.
Rice-Eater
Member
Has anybody posted this video yet? If yes then here it is again lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uZWArSOmCc
But anyways, it's rare but this shit happens once in a while to a competent player against a much weaker player. I went through it myself. Here is my story if anybody wants to take a look
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=92203660&postcount=422
I was so angry and flustered. I came back to win by going nearly full retard myself. When it was all over, I was still very angry about it. I thought "how dare this guy think he could beat me by doing that and only that". But you have to live and learn from this experience so that next time you're prepared for it if you should ever find yourself in that situation again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uZWArSOmCc
But anyways, it's rare but this shit happens once in a while to a competent player against a much weaker player. I went through it myself. Here is my story if anybody wants to take a look
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=92203660&postcount=422
I was so angry and flustered. I came back to win by going nearly full retard myself. When it was all over, I was still very angry about it. I thought "how dare this guy think he could beat me by doing that and only that". But you have to live and learn from this experience so that next time you're prepared for it if you should ever find yourself in that situation again.
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FindMyFarms
Member
Yeah, 2 bad players can play any fighting game and do bad things lol.
MisterHero
Super Member
He couldn't defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.
all i said is that they "showed" it because it was on their channel (in one of the wii "apps")
Parallax Scroll
Banned
lol players
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I know, I remember them. It was just weird to see this Sirlin made thing shown by Nintendo.
Like what the fuck does nintendo care about people getting better at smash
MikeBreezy92
Member
I was saying this match should not have garnered this much attention and its sad that it has. I know what went down lol.
i dont get it.
Holy Order Sol
Member
and smoke with cigarettes
Of course it's not obligated to be a good sport. You don't have to be good sport if you don't want to; I'm just saying you burn bridges that way, with the audience, with the judges, with contestants, with sponsors, with employers, etc.
If you want to say 'fuck everyone' and storm off, go ahead, but people will perceive you differently, whether it's a fair judge of character or not, on the way you act from moment to moment.
So yes you still have a choice in the way you act, no one is taking that away from you.
EDIT: I've been sort of focusing on being a sore loser, but the same attitude applies to winning. If you go around thinking everyone is underneath you because you're ranked number 1 and nobody can touch you then, like being a bad sport, the audience , judges, contestants, sponsors, employers, etc. are not going to respect you, want you on their team (and if they do it's because they want to use you until you fail), or be around you.
MikeBreezy92
Member
From what I've seen, you rarely burn bridges this way. Like serious, people like Filipino Champ are sponsored and he isn't exactly like the pinnacle of good sportsmanship. I think you're over emphasizing the importance of sportsmanship like most do.
I thought that too. Well, thanks to that video i could see cpu annoying (to say the least) rob. I am sure that my friends (we just played for fun) can still remeber how much they hated rob: spot dodge into down smash
Ragingnight
Member
you have to understand that the FGC isn't like this at all.
The FGC has strong rivalries that come from popoffs. Look at rayray v fanatiq, fanatiq v infrit, unknown vs andre, ricky vs krone, and etc. All their "shit talk" is in game, many of them are on good terms outside of the game. But its that pop off, and that pride that pushes them to be better than them. Its the arcade mentality. When you win, the other person has to put in more money (quarters) and/or wait in line.
LoL and SC2 don't really have these sort of rivalries. Its very different. TSM and CLG had a rivalry but it wasn't even on the same level of a FGC rivalry. They weren't really pushed to one-up each other. You could tell they weren't that motivated as lets say CJshowstopper vs Andre, sanford vs wong or any of the other rivalries in the FGC. Hell, the NA vs EU in LoL is nothing like the East Coast vs West Coast in Marvel 2.
The FGC is just different in that whole regard.
FallingEdge
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Passive Assassin
Member
true. but it was a nice change from the usual. got to see fishstix go against the world too.
Rice-Eater
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To me it makes a lot of sense why this has garnered so much attention. Not everything has to have godlike play to get tons of views. If you watch American Football, you've probably heard of the infamous "Butt fumble" which involved Mark Sanchez running into the rare end of one of his huge defensive linemen which caused him to fumble the ball which the other team picked up for a TD.
It was nothing more but a very embarrassing moment for Mark Sanchez. But yet it made headlines at everywhere and was uploaded to Youtube and has hundreds of thousands of views. This is just one of those super rare and comedic moments for the FGC. It was a rare occurrence where a decent player lost to a much lower level player because he was probably so mind fucked that he failed to do everything he should have done during the match.
I guarantee you if these two got together to play again in a first to 10 or 20, FSP would win easily, I'd be surprised if he lost even 1 match after having all this time to think about what had happened and analyze what he did wrong. But in that moment, everything went wrong for FSP and this is the result. That's why everybody was laughing so hysterically and why it has garnered so much attention.
ShinMaruku
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He got perfected by Dan. XD
theprodigy
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I'm going to guess LoL players not knowing what they're talking about
Osu 16 Bit
Member
Even after patches Sheeva is still terrible. Bottom 3 for sure.
Her armor is quite bad. The hit boxes are all wonky so like with her armored grab tons of moves cause it to whiff.
It's true her fireball is mid but most characters can still duck under it by lowering their hitbox with a low poke. It's also slow and easy to jump.
33% off a jump in is not good damage. My character gets 50% on hit or gets pressure on block.
You can punish the stomp with universal punishes that beat any way she lands. There's a bunch of ways to blow it up. Anyone can neutral jump punch.
Props to doing well with her online but she was unviable lol
Actually, speaking of LoL...
My memory isn't so good but I think it was CLG vs M5 in a smaller tournament.
It was a game where CLG beat M5 so bad, they won under 30 minutes both games.
(CLG back then would never win a game under an hour)
Not that M5 are scrub... but they played so badly, it sure didn't make them look good in that match.
My memory isn't so good but I think it was CLG vs M5 in a smaller tournament.
It was a game where CLG beat M5 so bad, they won under 30 minutes both games.
(CLG back then would never win a game under an hour)
Not that M5 are scrub... but they played so badly, it sure didn't make them look good in that match.
Lost Fragment
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So I guess not shaking hands or saying "gg" or whatever would be a big deal in eSports?
Deified Data
Banned
The latter, definitely. "New players" become "scrubs" when they do better against experienced players than they have any reasonable expectation to. They earn a derogative title because the experienced player doesn't want to face the reality that his years of experience failed against a random button-masher.
Ragingnight
Member
what? no not at all. What the fuck are you even talking about?
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Kinda relevant to the original video. Mike Ross vs Yipes and involves breaking down a cage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfLP0spnJMg
Not really. Unless they are paid to do that or its expected of them.
I never say good game even when I win. I mean if you lose and say good game you are just lying to your opponent. IT WASNT GOOD IF YOU LOST.
This is a good one and also extremely hilarious.
PdotMichael
Banned
It says more about the game than the "scrub".
Gentleman Jack
Member
Was that the Dota 2 match where they intentionally stretched it out to 90 or so minutes just so they could set a record?
Nah, that was some other boring ass farm fest between two different teams. It was pretty painful to watch.
Passive Assassin
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theprodigy
Member
wtf are you even talking about
Deified Data
Banned
That escalated quickly. Hit a raw nerve?
Can't deny
It seems like people who don't know that much about fighting games are ignorant to what made Ghandi's play "scrubby." It's not just some label people are giving him because he won against a better player. It describes his complete lack of setups, spacing, timing, or even basic combos. He's not a button-masher, but he's really only a step above that.
If you can't see that because you don't follow fighting game closely, then just take our word for it. Nobody is mad at him for winning in a scrubby fashion. In fact, his winning is exactly what makes this video so entertaining.
Passive Assassin
Member
4th best marvel player in the world beating one of the american gods in a 1 game set is too raw.
ShinMaruku
Member
Speaking of the video and this topic I don't think it has any malice to it. Yes to an outsider it looks bad most people are negative on the unknown and when ribbing is seen it can colour a view on it.
But the guy who lost I am sure he has learned and will do better at another tourney. I remember when Fuudo started SF he was ass and went away and now he bodies people.
People say adversity builds character I say it reveals it.
But the guy who lost I am sure he has learned and will do better at another tourney. I remember when Fuudo started SF he was ass and went away and now he bodies people.
People say adversity builds character I say it reveals it.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Plus this shit makes for fun runbacks and stories anyway if/when both players meet again.
This post is too raw for me.
4th best at everything, sahn.
Ragingnight
Member
No, I'm just calling out stupidity and/or ignorance.
Heres what the general definition of scrub is in terms of gameplay.
computers putin'
Member
I don't know much about SF4 competitively but I'm going to assume that dude was so used to playing a certain play style( presumably a safe one) that the randomness he was presented with was too jarring and confused him,and/or he just completely forgot simple fundamentals. Seemed like all he had to do was block and punish.Even though I've only ever really been Mid-Tier or slightly above the fighting games I've played, I can say I've lost a couple matches in similar fashion.( the last one I can remember being VF5 Final Strike last year); You may know the counter, but if you're not accustomed to the randomness or don't train to deal with an unsafe play style, you won't be able to think of or instinctively pull out the counter right away, and may not adapt in time. That's why even for pro's, knowing when to play unsafe or "random" can be a valuable skill.
Passive Assassin
Member
pretty much. daigo even had to go jyobin style against gamerbee since adon usually takes it over ryu.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Mike Ross is the best at Marvel
that is all
that is all
I think people need to differentiate among new players and scrub players.
New player (aka newbie) is simply someone who is new to the game or the genre. They will do obviously new player mistakes and lack the knowledge/experience to consistently win at a game.
A scrub player is a player who has sort of graduated from the "new player" category in that the player has gotten a reasonable amount of knowledge/experience in the game but fall backs on bad habits, bad plays, bad fundamentals, bad mentalities and just simply relying on a few strong gimmicks and tactics to get by (all of these are referred to as "scrubbish" play). This is the type of player who has put in thousands of games online but still mashes DP/wake up Ultra in SF4 or has put thousands of hours in a Marvel game and goes for YOLO Foot Dives or unsafe Berserker Slash all day because those tactics can beat new players but get punished against more seasoned players.
A scrub player in certain ways is worse than a new player. The thing that holds back a scrub player the most is the scrub mentality which includes complaining about certain tactics regularly or having these weird rules for fighting games that they adhere to (it's "cheap" to spam the same move for more than a few times). Even certain top players have an element of scrubbiness to them that hold them back sometimes.
New player (aka newbie) is simply someone who is new to the game or the genre. They will do obviously new player mistakes and lack the knowledge/experience to consistently win at a game.
A scrub player is a player who has sort of graduated from the "new player" category in that the player has gotten a reasonable amount of knowledge/experience in the game but fall backs on bad habits, bad plays, bad fundamentals, bad mentalities and just simply relying on a few strong gimmicks and tactics to get by (all of these are referred to as "scrubbish" play). This is the type of player who has put in thousands of games online but still mashes DP/wake up Ultra in SF4 or has put thousands of hours in a Marvel game and goes for YOLO Foot Dives or unsafe Berserker Slash all day because those tactics can beat new players but get punished against more seasoned players.
A scrub player in certain ways is worse than a new player. The thing that holds back a scrub player the most is the scrub mentality which includes complaining about certain tactics regularly or having these weird rules for fighting games that they adhere to (it's "cheap" to spam the same move for more than a few times). Even certain top players have an element of scrubbiness to them that hold them back sometimes.
Deified Data
Banned
That's very charitable, thank you.
cormack12
Gold Member
Don't really play beat 'em ups but surely this is your own fault?
For context you can play people on FIFA for example who have little skill, no custom tactics and no sense of the strategy shifts you can trigger. Yet they still win games by throwing balls over the top and having fast wingers. They persist and eek out goals in some fashion.
However, if I lose over the course of a match I blame myself. I have the tools there to stop them and if I don't I'll give away cheap goals and lose. Sometimes I will lose and be frustrated but that's the way it is.
I thought the guy doing the commentary had a good point. Why was FSG chasing the other guy, he could have just side screened and blocked most of that surely? Until he got a handle on the guy.....this is just a guess by the way. I am absolutely awful at beat 'em ups though and really inexperienced since the likes of Mortal Kombat II.
For context you can play people on FIFA for example who have little skill, no custom tactics and no sense of the strategy shifts you can trigger. Yet they still win games by throwing balls over the top and having fast wingers. They persist and eek out goals in some fashion.
However, if I lose over the course of a match I blame myself. I have the tools there to stop them and if I don't I'll give away cheap goals and lose. Sometimes I will lose and be frustrated but that's the way it is.
I thought the guy doing the commentary had a good point. Why was FSG chasing the other guy, he could have just side screened and blocked most of that surely? Until he got a handle on the guy.....this is just a guess by the way. I am absolutely awful at beat 'em ups though and really inexperienced since the likes of Mortal Kombat II.