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Massive Gaming YouTube Channels Getting 100s of Flagged Videos Continuously
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hitsugi
Member
It's been down the drain in terms of quality. In fact, I thought they reached rock bottom earlier this year when Youtube became more or less unusable 60% of the time and they incorporated resolutions like 144p to attempt to compensate.
...I guess this is the true rock bottom, though. for now.
Hey man, if true, even if Vimeo just turned into the Let's play place like twitch did with Justin TV...MASSIVE opportunity for them.
Ragingnight
Member
hey so, I guess team spooky and streaming fighting game tournaments isn't hard work.
Nope not at all. All that tournament footage should belong to the IP owner.
EVO? MLG? Nope fuck those. Anybody with a mic can do that.
Nope not at all. All that tournament footage should belong to the IP owner.
EVO? MLG? Nope fuck those. Anybody with a mic can do that.
PotionBleue
Member
Amount of time spent does not dictate the fair use nature of a transformative work, this argument really needs not to be brought anymore. What we're looking at is the final result and its use.
That's the point. Great benefits, great pay, easy, but physically challenging work!
simplythebest
Banned
Damn it Youtube is on a massive cleanup. 
Why would I make a review if I just wanted people to watch me play death rally? LOL
You are missing my point mate lol.
Look, I feel for the people if its there job, i really do.
But again, yt are doing this for the very reason I stated. I guess people will just have to change there content and adapt to the new rules.
Bizarre. I feel like these prominent streamers/Youtubers/whatever are in a lot of cases providing free marketing, so to deny them the freedom to produce more content while maintaining financially stable doesn't make sense to me. I bought Persona 4 and a PS2 because Giant Bomb was playing through it. I bought Deadly Premonition for the same reason. I bought Crusader Kings II and Spelunky because the Idle Thumbs guys were playing them. Without that exposure, I never would have.
Who knows what the data says, but anecdotally? Those companies are being helped by gaming channels more than they're being hurt by them.
Who knows what the data says, but anecdotally? Those companies are being helped by gaming channels more than they're being hurt by them.
Ragingnight
Member
how do you change the content of a game tournament to not show in game footage. Please do tell.
Revolutionary
Member
I can't tell if this post is sarcasm or not. It's not the easiest thing in the world but you're making it out to be a LOT more difficult than it really is.
The people who put very little effort into their videos are, mostly, not the ones making a living off of it. Even idiots like Pewdiepie put more effort into their videos than the average LPer does.
I'm not saying it's the hardest job in the world, far from it, but it's not exceedingly easy either like some people are making it out to be.
Not sure why Giant Bomb keeps coming up in this thread. They get permission. It's not the same.
So watching a video of a game being played is the same as printing discs for it? Watching a video is not reproducing a pirated work.
They provide content, people watch it, it generates ad revenue, they get some of that money.
I really don't see what the big deal is.
jacksepticeye
Member
That's ONE part of the process. You then have to add your intros if you have one, your outros and add in some extra videos to annotate and link from
Then you upload it to youtube, set up your titles, descriptions, tags, annotations, links and referrals. A standard let's player has to do this process dozens of times in a short space of time. Not only that but plucking up the enthusiasm and that "always on" mentality takes a lot of effort and stamina/endurance.
Stop trying to over simplify the process. Unless you actually try to do it properly yourself it's hard to see just how much work goes into it.
Also they provide a video entertainment service for people to watch, people watch it,they enjoy it and it creates ad revenue. Same as any entertainment medium
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Oh really now? How much money did you make off of it. Can you show us a link?
I feel like you have no idea what other LPers are out there besides Pewdiepie. Making quality LPs isn't about shrieking into a microphone. Funny thing is, this won't hurt Pewdiepie anyway, since publishers will continue to court him into posting videos of their games. So your hatred is even further misguided. This will only hurt smaller people, with actual talent, posting videos of smaller games that might get overlooked.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Wouldn't a lot of the examples material being flagged currently fall under the category of derivative works? A Let's Play with complete commentary could be argued to be dependent on the caster's personality, given that they are speaking over the gameplay and controlling the actions of the protagonists. And I would assume that commentary in the form of reviews and editorialising would most certainly qualify.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Vimeo does not allow that kind of content on their website sadly.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
It depends on the video. A mere 5-minute video can take hours to edit
Triggerhappytel
Member
But it's the livelihood of most of these people. It's worrying if these are erroneous claims which can come from anywhere.
Explicitly bans video game content apart from developers showing off their own work.
I disagree with that. Gaming YouTuber's have always assumed publishers are okay with it and for the most part they are. However they don't own the rights to the footage being shown and never have. It is essentially monetising off other people's work and putting your voice over it. Going by that logic, if I buy a movie I should be able to upload it to YouTube and make money.
I don't have a strong opinion about people earning off gaming videos without specified permission, some of my favourite YouTubers do it full time. Some publishers have stated they're fine with it to keep the community happy although I expect their legal department don't share the same view. Can't say I didn't expect something like this could happen.
It's a derivative work. Still counts.
The problem with that logic is that it leads down a slippery slope. At the end of it, you would have public discussion forums with take down notices because they are revealing something not approved by the owner of the IP.
This is about as silly as having best buy want the ad revenue from television stations, because people are watching them through the samsung TV in their stores.
You would be that Publisher's employee at that point. I doubt that will ever happen in general to folks to do this.
PotionBleue
Member
Dailymotion is dead as a community. Vimeo has copyright policies even stricter than YouTube when it comes to video game content and you have to pay like $200 a year for a pro account. Also this whole outrage will not be seen much from the general public; no videos are blocked, it's just that uploaders don't get the money anymore. There will still be plenty of video game videos on YouTube.
Ragingnight
Member
People like team spooky, and Levelup live will be hit hard by this. But I guess they don't do any work like some of the idiots here claim.
Its simple, companies dont want you making money from there content mate
change the content? you mean, no content at all or more precisely, only from the sensible companies? like valve, indies ect...
I guess i could live with that.
Then they shouldn't be so reliant on making money off of other people's work in the first place
This was never going to last
CountAntonius
Member
Yep but I couldn't see Capcom or Valve blocking monitization of their games. These are the people that do all the leg work and keep those communities and games alive for years.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Not sure how to put this, but here goes...
Being partnered with Machinima, doesn't it ensure that you don't get flagged as long as you follow the guidelines of not attempting to and claiming to own copyrighted content, such as audio and video? Machinima has contracts with these publishers, so unless something has changed in contract with these publishers (Machinima hasn't said anything otherwise), there shouldn't be any flags from publishers, right? Got a bunch of flags on my videos as of late, but I did not get my account penalized.
Not that I'm complaining, I upload a video or two once a week and I find it to be a side luxury with a nice monthly sum, but I don't depend on it at all as a source of income. Although I'm a fairly small channel (13.5k subs), I've never really tried to "go big" since I can't see myself committing to it full time like other YouTubers do.
What happens if this goes away? That's fine, I'll still upload videos because I like to share my moments whenever I feel like capturing, editing in Sony Vegas and then rendering (this actually takes a bit of time and isn't as easy as some might think). There are a lot of factors when it comes to uploading for me - am I enjoying the game? Is it worth uploading, would it be worth someone's time? I've been uploading to YouTube since 2006 I believe enjoyed it without being partnered for about 5 years (only got partnered last year).
Being partnered with Machinima, doesn't it ensure that you don't get flagged as long as you follow the guidelines of not attempting to and claiming to own copyrighted content, such as audio and video? Machinima has contracts with these publishers, so unless something has changed in contract with these publishers (Machinima hasn't said anything otherwise), there shouldn't be any flags from publishers, right? Got a bunch of flags on my videos as of late, but I did not get my account penalized.
Not that I'm complaining, I upload a video or two once a week and I find it to be a side luxury with a nice monthly sum, but I don't depend on it at all as a source of income. Although I'm a fairly small channel (13.5k subs), I've never really tried to "go big" since I can't see myself committing to it full time like other YouTubers do.
What happens if this goes away? That's fine, I'll still upload videos because I like to share my moments whenever I feel like capturing, editing in Sony Vegas and then rendering (this actually takes a bit of time and isn't as easy as some might think). There are a lot of factors when it comes to uploading for me - am I enjoying the game? Is it worth uploading, would it be worth someone's time? I've been uploading to YouTube since 2006 I believe enjoyed it without being partnered for about 5 years (only got partnered last year).
That's just my specific case. For somebody else, the exposure to a game that potentially results in a purchase could be any of the hundreds of LP teams out there. If there's no monetary support coming from the videos, that content (and thus the exposure that drove a purchase) may not exist. The principle is more or less the same.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
its up to pubs, not vimeo :\
wuxian fengguang
Neo Member
Kinda odd that some people here are actually rooting for these big corporations that have no qualms in screwing you over if it suits their agenda (just like they are doing to those LP'ers).
You can't apply rules for non-interactive media to an interactive one such as video gaming. This simply because the experience of playing a game can't be replicated without the actor being able to interact. If some people really feel they don't need to play a game after seeing it on YouTube I've got another great medium for you and it's going to blow your mind, it's called television!
You can't apply rules for non-interactive media to an interactive one such as video gaming. This simply because the experience of playing a game can't be replicated without the actor being able to interact. If some people really feel they don't need to play a game after seeing it on YouTube I've got another great medium for you and it's going to blow your mind, it's called television!
You're missing my point entirely. I'm saying that the content of the video was your review, not death rally. Death rally happened to be what your video was about, but the content in your video that was from death rally was not what people were there to see.
You made money with your review. LPers are making money with what encompasses their show (e.g., their personalities and editing skills). The games are not what people watch for.
Walkthrough videos are the same. Players want to see how to get passed a part, and the walkthrough videos give them that content. That walkthrough videos are being targetted seems to be extraordinarily dumb, because the main consumers of such videos are people who have bought the game and need some help with it.
Making a copy of the contents of a video game and distributing it (via Youtube or elsewhere) is a violation of copyright. You are redistributing someone's work without their explicit permission. Watching such a video isn't any sort of violation.
actually they don't always.
I remember hearing grumblings about their persona 4 playthroughs.
they've also been keeping some videos off of youtube because they were afraid of getting a strike.
this affects all content, not just let's plays.
Some of them don't. Others encourage it, because they know it's free marketing and it gets people talking about their games. And more to the point, it doesn't hurt their sales.
This is true but maybe they can file a class action against youtube so they don't have to do it on an individual basis?
Senor Kami
Banned
This is kinda related, but I listen to a music industry podcast (Audionowcast which is great btw) and a member was talking about how the future of music was very bright because labels were embracing streaming and YouTube had this new content ID system that would flag a video that had a registered song and give users the option of removing it or letting it be monetized so that copyright holders can earn money for their works.
This sounds identical to that. He also mentioned that there were unscrupulous individuals just claiming rights to songs and collecting money and he said that artists really need to be on top of this or some random dude could claim their work, have to show little to no documentation to do so, and to dispute the claim the real owner would have to come up with paperwork and go through a process. That sounds like exactly what's happening here as well. Also, I think they said the frauds don't get anything other than a hey that's not nice as punishment. Kinda scummy but eh, whatever I guess.
Anyways, I think some worries are overblown. It seems like most of the issue is purely moneization, not they're taking down videos for using footage. Being able to talk about games and have clips is still possible on YouTube. How you monetize has changed though. I think it will just lead to more affiliate shops and making money through that (these guys always claim they're adding major sales to a game, now they can prove it and get a cut) and what are essentially the video game coverage version of small/indie record labels that work out deals with major game pubs/devs to work out some sort of revenue split due to the totality of views their group draws.
This sounds identical to that. He also mentioned that there were unscrupulous individuals just claiming rights to songs and collecting money and he said that artists really need to be on top of this or some random dude could claim their work, have to show little to no documentation to do so, and to dispute the claim the real owner would have to come up with paperwork and go through a process. That sounds like exactly what's happening here as well. Also, I think they said the frauds don't get anything other than a hey that's not nice as punishment. Kinda scummy but eh, whatever I guess.
Anyways, I think some worries are overblown. It seems like most of the issue is purely moneization, not they're taking down videos for using footage. Being able to talk about games and have clips is still possible on YouTube. How you monetize has changed though. I think it will just lead to more affiliate shops and making money through that (these guys always claim they're adding major sales to a game, now they can prove it and get a cut) and what are essentially the video game coverage version of small/indie record labels that work out deals with major game pubs/devs to work out some sort of revenue split due to the totality of views their group draws.
Sure, if this only applied to content from games which uploaders are not allowed to monetize this wouldn't be such a mess. Unfortunately the claims are not all even coming from companies that make the games. And youtube's "random checks" which will be coming next year are not assured to give a pass to videos featuring games from sensible companies.
Netherscourge
Banned
Wherever they go, the lawyers will follow.
This isn't just a policy change, it's setting a new industry precedent.