Chobel
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Yeah I get it now
Well that's X360 not xbone, I'm not sure you would get more than 30k from Mexico.
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Major Nelson: Xbox One and 360 Were The Top Selling Consoles In December...in USA
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Yeah I get it now
Well that's X360 not xbone, I'm not sure you would get more than 30k from Mexico.
Yes, many European countries as well apparently were expecting PS4 shipments, but because many units were diverted to the USA, they did not receive them. Sony PS4 stock is going to be a mess at least for January and probably into February. But January and March will begin to paint us a clear picture as where exactly things stand, I think. Especially for the One. Now that I never once go to a store and see XBO out of stock, and that is reported to be true across the country and with all hard data we have, is demand still high enough that it'll be putting up competitive numbers in January and March and February?
The only thing I can say is it must be. Without the US and UK, where does that leave Microsoft and Xbox? Distant third place again. (Edit: Well, distant second place... I don't think Wii U can do anything but stink in terms of sales *sadface*)
dragonbane
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Only half-joking now. Maybe, maaaaybe if you are generous with France, Mexico, Australia and Canada the XB1 might come somewhere close to 3 million. For 2013. Maybe. Still doubting that "before Christmas" statement though...
I think someone has Y2Kev's posts on what competition is really all about somewhere
As Y2Kev more eloquently put, a system performing poorly relative to its competition is exactly what "competition' is all about - it's consumers choosing one over another. When PS2 was pretty much alone at the top of the roost, we had some of the most unbelievable library of games in the history of this industry.
I think you mean December
Yep. Brain fart.
But judging by supplies coming available it might be the same for Jan. all depends on what Sony has been able to ship vs what demand is for XB1.
Anticitizen One
Banned
sadface? Have you seen Nintendo's lineup? There not even fucking trying with the Wii U. N64 and Gamecube may have had issues but at least they had games that looked amazing that people actually wanted to play
I've no idea how much it sold in Italy or anywhere, but I know 360 had a good marketshare and sales in a number of the countries we have no figures from. Using Spain probably its worst market in Europe to try and extrapolate launch sales will get us knowhere. I would not be surprised if it sold more in Ireland.
I'd be interested in seeing the breakdown to. To make those numbers they would have had to have had an amazing launch in a couple of the remaining countries and steady figures in the rest. I just think some people underestimate the size of some markets and the potential for launch sales from pent up demand for next gen.
So for them to know this that means they know what the other consoles sold correct? So then all companies know all other companies #s, then why do none ever post the others? Obviously it only makes sense for the leader/first place company to do this, but you never see for example MS say, Xbox one sold 900k in dec, which was 150k better than PS4's 750! Or whatever, etc. Is it just some unwritten rule to not post any competitors #s?
Chobel
Member
Here you go Amir0x, Y2kev great quotes
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91128433&postcount=1592
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=92407636&postcount=213
Y2Kev said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91128433&postcount=1592
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=92407636&postcount=213
Splash Wave
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I think someone has Y2Kev's posts on what competition is really all about somewhere
As Y2Kev more eloquently put, a system performing poorly relative to its competition is exactly what "competition' is all about - it's consumers choosing one over another. When PS2 was pretty much alone at the top of the roost, we had some of the most unbelievable library of games in the history of this industry.
Exactly. I want one, clear-cut winner--especially when both systems are so similar that the difference only comes down to a few games (some outright paid for, a practice I think is weird). This isn't a decision I feel like making any time soon.
dragonbane
Member
Here you go:I think someone has Y2Kev's posts on what competition is really all about somewhere
Y2Kev said:
EDIT: Fuck. Beaten by Canada
Ok, that's enough for Canada I promise...
What the fuck? Ireland now? It's got a population of less than 5M.
That's a 1/10 of Spain. 1/12 of Italy.
Hard data and comparisons between market sizes can give fairly accurate idea of another potential sales. "Well their previous console did pretty well in terms of market shares" is utterly meaningless if you don't take into account population size.
And even then, basgin an argument over the previous gen... really? Heard of the WiiU?
Well that's rich.
You know you're joking right?
Hm, I would say that I don't think that is true anymore. I am more than satisfied with Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101 and Super Mario 3D World, each one individually of which I feel is better than the combined launch lineups of PS4 and XBO.
That said, I don't think the market was wrong for responding how they have to Wii U considering how barren its lineup has been up until the summer and how the future looks now that nobody is buying the thing, but I love Nintendo games and the future holds Bayonetta 2, X and countless more Nintendo classics. Therefore, I want it to succeed.
I hope someone gets down to the number crunching. It's not glamorous work, and it might show the difference was minimal, but something is obviously missing. We're missing some component of the picture for the 3million+ units to be true.
Here you go:
EDIT: Fuck. Beaten by Canada
Ok, that's enough for Canada I promise...
Haha, thanks you guys. Evilore and the mod team should make a script that automatically responds with these quotes when someone utters the line "THIS IS GREAT! COMPETITION IS GOOD!"
Competition is good, but it does not mean what these people think it means
digoutyoursoul
Member
I ain't buying the DRM excuse for some of the ridiculous salt, I read it in NPD threads way before the PS4 and Xbox One were revealed.
LittleJohnny
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How is that low? Compare that with 360 numbers while it was flying solo, then factor in that its a $500 console that obliterated last Gen cheaper consoles. I remember the PS2 killing the 360 during Christmas despite the $300 core model and no PS3 or Wii around.
With all those next gen shoppers going with PS4, I'm surprised MS was still able to find nearly a million people to sell Xbox One's to.
I don't follow the NPD numbers that much, I expected bigger numbers for all since it's decembers but they're still great ones.
The only reason I want the PS4 to beat the xbone by a fair amount, it's cause I want the price of those "exclusive deals" (or moneyhats or whatever you people wanna call them) to rise. Titanfall and PvZ: Garden Warfare for example.
The only reason I want the PS4 to beat the xbone by a fair amount, it's cause I want the price of those "exclusive deals" (or moneyhats or whatever you people wanna call them) to rise. Titanfall and PvZ: Garden Warfare for example.
I think you've hit stage 2. If it had the same attach rate as the UK it would hit about 30k
I wasn't being entirely serious anyway, my point was that Spain has such contempt for everything Xbox that even a fly speck of a country, my home could come close to its launch numbers.
Impeccable
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Microsoft wins, congratulations!
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
The data suggests otherwise. Simple math:
3M (TOTAL)
-1.8M (NA)
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1.2M (EU)
60% equals "vast, vast, vast majority?"
Nope. 60/40 split is not that lopsided.
NeoGAF myth 1,050,694 shattered. Xbox One is selling fine in EU.
Sons Of Anarchy
Banned
XB numbers will likely decline for January and February everywhere , since they have been readily available and no holiday push to sell them now.
SneakyStephan
Banned
There has to still be a lot of turn around for rrod out of warranty ones
dragonbane
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There should also be a script that replies to everyone who claims that either Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft is done just because of some insignificant news with the dramatic reading of one of the world's greatest postsHaha, thanks you guys. Evilore and the mod team should make a script that automatically responds with these quotes when someone utters the line "THIS IS GREAT! COMPETITION IS GOOD!"
It's so old now and you obviously grown a lot since then, yet I still love how it pops up immediately when you just type "the sony b" into google LOL
I think someone has Y2Kev's posts on what competition is really all about somewhere
As Y2Kev more eloquently put, a system performing poorly relative to its competition is exactly what "competition' is all about - it's consumers choosing one over another. When PS2 was pretty much alone at the top of the roost, we had some of the most unbelievable library of games in the history of this industry.
You do understand that I'm not talking about sales parity, but about the way people here want MS/XboxOne to fail and retire from the console market.
graywolf323
Member
gotta like how Microsoft pretends the 3DS doesn't exist
Dreams-Visions
Member
great numbers for MS. that is how you meet demand, ladies and gentlemen.
We'll see how they look for January when we seen an accounting of all of the stock chillin out on shelves now.
We'll see how they look for January when we seen an accounting of all of the stock chillin out on shelves now.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Some people want an X360 for the games library and the lack of X1 backwards compatibility, I don't see how it's baffling.
dragonbane
Member
Uhm? Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Australia and New Zealand are not part of the EU as far as I'm aware. Between 300k-450k sales come from these countries.
Sales parity is not the same thing as competition, though plenty of Americans seem confused by this. Competition isn't about everyone doing well. If you don't like one product, you want the competitor to out sell it so the market gravitates towards those features in the future. So if people don't like the features of the Xbox One, you absolutely should want it to sell worse.
Same goes for the PS4, Vita, 3DS, etc. Everything selling well is generally not a good thing for a market because it means there is little reason to gamble or push towards something new.
First, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Australia and New Zealand are not Europe. Oops.
Second, uh, yes, 60% of all your sales is the vast majority. However, the fact that the "strongest" element of your argument however is a sad semantics game ("Oh shit, somebody said the word vast THREE TIMES!") show precisely how weak the position you are arguing from is.
All the hard data we actually do have from European countries does show a larger than usual drop off post launches for those countries. And, as we can see, supply is far exceeding demand in every country it is now out in, including the USA.
In reality, only the UK, US and maybe Australia are really now contributing meaningful sales to the XBO in the world. This is essentially beyond dispute, unless you have some numbers or some commentary on supply the rest of us do not. This is not much different from last gen, except that now they do not have a year head start, better multiplatform games or a better price. We are now seeing exactly what this means.
digoutyoursoul
Member
If you are dominating what reason do you have to push towards something new? Ain't broke don't fix it situation.
There should also be a script that replies to everyone who claims that either Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft is done just because of some insignificant news with the dramatic reading of one of the world's greatest posts
It's so old now and you obviously grown a lot since then, yet I still love how it pops up immediately when you just type "the sony b" into google LOL
Heh, well, I still consider the PS3 a business failure, and I think Sony does too. But yes, the Sony brand is not over ;P
Well most people who say that mean they want a drag out knock out fight where each are fighting for every bit of ground.
However, I don't really know what to feel about Microsoft. I was by far a primary 360 gamer, but what they originally intended to do with XBO was worth wishing them to fail. Now they changed it, I don't want them to fail. But they have said multiple times now that they just think it wasn't the right time, that the DRM stuff is still a long-term goal. If I support XBO, am I supporting their future strategy which I consider inherently anti-consumer?
People need to understand that wanting a system to fail doesn't necessarily make you a fanboy. As a consumer, you might feel a product is simply bad for the industry in which it exists, and there may be good reason for it. When PS3 was announced at $600, I wanted it to fail relative to the 360. I wanted Sony to learn we weren't the type of consumers who would 'get a second job' just to get a luxury item like that. Does that make an individual a fanboy? Does that mean they are wrong? And they did learn, didn't they?
Sometimes a failure teaches many great things.
BoboBrazil
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Not really a surprise. MS dumped all of their stock into the US and PS4 was supply constrained. Christmas frenzy meant alot of people bought X1s as gifts that would have bought PS4s if they were available. I know several people that got these because they couldn't get PS4s and the thirst for next gen was real. Impressive still that the thing cost $100 more and still sold. PS3 got nothing but shitted on because it came out at $499(20 gig model). The economy was arguably better at that point too. I think once stock is readily available for PS4 like it is for X1, things will be looking a little different, but for now MS gets to enjoy it's successful December and not see any punishment for what it tried to inflict upon gamers.
Why would anyone need to 'cling' to something that is correct? Y2Kev's post was simply one of the more eloquently ways I've seen someone state the truth about what competition actually means, and it saves one time of having to restate the point themselves. Do you have some argument against his post, or do you think this comment of yours is meaningful? I routinely write up 1000 word retorts to people, as people love to point out how verbose I am. Why would I not take the time to use a good post to illustrate a point I would otherwise have made myself?
Chobel
Member
No, we use them someone says "sale parity = competition". And If you bothered to read those posts you'll find they're correct and make perfect sense.
oconnomiyaki
Member
So quick question: what's the obsession with "winning", especially with other markets? The Xbox 360 didn't really dominate anywhere but the US and the UK and it still managed to truck along just fine. I wouldn't imagine the situation to be any different for the Xbox One, although we can see it might lose the grip on the UK, so what?
I almost feel like people in here are sort of trying to be objective about it but are secretly rooting for the fulfillment of an agenda. That is to say that by Sony "winning" that the PS4 will mean that it gets all these great games exclusively to itself.
And even then, so what? "Worst case scenario" is that everyone buys a PS4 for those games.
I almost feel like people in here are sort of trying to be objective about it but are secretly rooting for the fulfillment of an agenda. That is to say that by Sony "winning" that the PS4 will mean that it gets all these great games exclusively to itself.
And even then, so what? "Worst case scenario" is that everyone buys a PS4 for those games.
Because it's not a catch all in terms of how or why someone might say competition is a good thing which is both often how it's used and also leads to you (or someone else) posting 1000 word retorts anyway....
Almost every single time I've ever seen it used the person is trying to suggest that unless the other company is staying "close" in the game, then people thinking that's fine (edit: thinking it's fine that they are not close, I mean) are doing something wrong. I mean you can try to say that isn't the case, but I've witnessed this thing now probably nearly half a hundred times, and almost every time when the person elaborates, it's exactly as that. Which is why Y2Kev's post has become prolific.
If this case is an exception, and people like me responded to it like it wasn't, that's because we've been conditioned now to expect such silly reasoning.
Otherwise, why don't people say the same thing about Wii U all the time? It's doing shit horrible, that's why. But nobody ever says "Competition is GOOD!" when discussing that system, because most people don't mean it that way.
Chobel
Member
WOW!
But Microsoft is stuffing the channel and is far exceeding demand now, doesn't that make them the hare?
I am confused about your analogy
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