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[Gordon Shumway]

"U a pony tho"

This thread has been a fun read..thanks, all.

 

[KaiserBecks]

Read a little further in the thread - confirmed by the executive producer.

IGN says:

Update: A Square Enix spokesperson issued the following statement to IGN: "Both platforms offer the same outstanding Tomb Raider experience. Delivering the core Tomb Raider gameplay at native 1080p and running at 30fps was always our primary goal given the type of experience Tomb Raider is and the exploration we want players to do. Anything beyond 30fps for this version is gravy."

Square Enix spokesperson, what are you doing?

 

[Loakum]

It ain't out until the 31st of Jan.

the "defunitive edition" of a game that released a year ago, releases on that date. it's just a prettier version of a year old game....for full price. The full price thingy is where I'm having a hard time with.

 

[TyrantII]

S-E and low sales expectations do not mix. They're one of the dumbest companies when it comes to predicting sales.

TBF its was a conscious decision to lump the engine development in with the actual game. Next game will already have that investment sunk and will be profitable much sooner with a smaller budget.

Not sure why they did that, but its probably has to do with how they wanted to report the engine development cost and in what quarter.

I mean its not like they now won't be using it for other games or even IP's now that they have a nice next gen engine for linerar-open games...

 

[Backfoggen]

DF article should be interesting. Hope they can get it up quick.

 

[system11]

60fps is enough of an upgrade to get me to buy it a second time. I said I'd pay them $1 per frame per second after all.

 

[ChuckNyce]

IGN says:

Update: A Square Enix spokesperson issued the following statement to IGN: "Both platforms offer the same outstanding Tomb Raider experience. Delivering the core Tomb Raider gameplay at native 1080p and running at 30fps was always our primary goal given the type of experience Tomb Raider is and the exploration we want players to do. Anything beyond 30fps for this version is gravy."

Square Enix spokesperson, what are you doing?

BRB, going to fill my tub with gravy.

 

[SmokyDave]

the "defunitive edition" of a game that released a year ago, releases on that date. it's just a prettier version of a year old game....for full price. The full price thingy is where I'm having a hard time with.

Eh, doesn't bother me. Never played it before so as far as I'm concerned, it's next-gen hotness all the way.

 

[QaaQer]

IGN says:



Square Enix spokesperson, what are you doing?

PR v Executive producer. It will be explosive if they end up with the same framerate.

 

[anexanhume]

IGN says:



Square Enix spokesperson, what are you doing?

Producers/devs not afraid to talk about the difference. Marketing/PR just imply that both versions hit at least a certain watermark.

 

[Blackage]

IGN says:

Update: A Square Enix spokesperson issued the following statement to IGN: "Both platforms offer the same outstanding Tomb Raider experience. Delivering the core Tomb Raider gameplay at native 1080p and running at 30fps was always our primary goal given the type of experience Tomb Raider is and the exploration we want players to do. Anything beyond 30fps for this version is gravy."

Square Enix spokesperson, what are you doing?

Damage control, you don't want one group of customers to think one version of their game is drastically inferior to another and not worth getting if the other version is better, you want both of them to buy.

You'll probably see Publishers coming down on Developers more and more as this generation goes on to stop them from talking about the differences in each version.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Do you really own both systems or is that just a tagline to give you unbiased street cred? Your post history would seem to indicate you don't own a One

Just go detective GAF mode and jump on SmartGlass. SmartGlass shows he has at least tried Lego Marvel Super Heroes, Peggle 2, and CoD: Ghosts but has no recent gameplay history or recent achievements unlocked. I'd guess he tried a friend's console or something, but there is the possibility he owns and doesn't like XB1 and isn't interested in the AAA exclusives.

 

[IvorB]

I really don't get this kind of thinking. Is really all people think about paying the smallest amount of money possible when a difference as small as 100$ for a minimum 5 year console life is nothing? when I was working at minimum salary it didn't affect me. I owned both consoles last gen (all 3 if you count the Wii which I barely touched) and I can honestly say that I went with the Xbox One, fully knowing it was gonna have "inferior" hardware (I still think Sony got lucky they could double the RAM, really would have liked to see what would have happened had they not been this lucky and ended up with 4 GB instead).

There are tons of people who favor the other system for the "superior" OS (IMO), better game selection (I am not getting a PS4 until uncharted 4 as there is nothing interesting on the system right now) and what a lot of people believe to be a superior online experience.

I really don't get all of the dick waving going on with these threads, acting like your console preference is better than the other. Value is different for everyone. I own a 2500$ PC and I find it was worth every penny. And currently, I find the value proposition of MS better than Sony's, and knowing that one version of a game will have a better frame rate than the other doesn't affect my decision at all or doesn't make me regret anything. Did people who bought PS2s regret their purchases when the cheaper and superior GameCube had better versions of games? You guys can argue all you want, but I don't see any real proof right now except from some unnamed source, so maybe people should wait until we have confirmation from the developer, as last time I heard they said both versions would be 30fps.

Also, is there really a point in making a thread for every multi platform game saying the PS4 version is/ will be better? I think it is quite obvious and not worth mentioning every time. It's not threads like these that will make outside people change their mind and make them get the system you want them to get, or the value proposition you think is better. They can definitely make that decision themselves, just like I and all of you have done. There isn't no right or wrong here!

That's fair enough but, all things being equal, why would anyone pay more for less? If you point to superior online, better OS, broader selection of games as reasons that swing it for you then that's fine. Personally have difficulty seeing that which is probably why I mention it in the thread. I really don't see how anyone could go for Xbone over PS4 right now with all things considered (without taking into account brand loyalty). That's not to demean your choice or anything.

But if people want Xbone and they are happy with it then more power to them I guess.

 

[Marc]

Oh dear xbox, oh dear.

 

[striferser]

Literally spent half the morning trying to catch up from last night. Just curious to those who've already played this last gen. Is the thought of getting to play this in 60fps warrant a $60 purchase? $40 purchase? What's the lowest you are willing to go til you can say it's worth playing the same game again with an improved frame rate?

I guess I'm more worried about total sales from this relaunch. If SE was upset at last gen sales, either they are playing with house money or they are gonna have bad time when first week sales are gonna come out, at least that's how I'm picturing it.

I play it on PC, low setting, with average 20-30 fps.
No, i don't think 60fps with prettier Lara warrant another 60$ purchase if you already play it. Not even 40$ purchase. If it's cheaper, 20-30$, i think i might do it.

For those who haven't play it though, i think it's worth the shot. It's a good and enjoyable game IMO.

SE probably hoping to hook those who miss the chance to play Tomb Raider.

 

[Loakum]

Eh, doesn't bother me. Never played it before so as far as I'm concerned, it's next-gen hotness all the way.

Yeah it looks amazing You're in for a treat because it's an awesome game.

 

[Acquiescence]

What happened to this thread and what's with all the bans?

 

[molnizzle]

Square Enix spokesperson, what are you doing?

Trying to sell copies of Tomb Raider to the several million Xbox One owners around the world?

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Deleted just in case

 

[foxbeldin]

BRB, going to fill my tub with gravy.

 

[EL CUCO]

Edit: If this is going to happen all gen, NeoGAF will be a busy place.

 

[gcubed]

Eh, doesn't bother me. Never played it before so as far as I'm concerned, it's next-gen hotness all the way.

It's a fantastic game, it even out uncharted uncharted 3.

I'll be double dipping but I'll wait a few weeks for a price drop

 

[Cragvis]

IGN says:



Square Enix spokesperson, what are you doing?

So you can pay $5 for biscuits

Or you can pay $4 for biscuits with gravy.

Arrg, its lunchtime already for me.

 

[INCUBA3E]

lol so xbone cant even do last gen games in next gen

 

[Canis lupus]

Thuway just tweeted about Watch Dogs. I don't want to derail this thread but it might be worth starting a thread for this. Here's the tweet:

https://twitter.com/thuway/status/426248567573864449

I hope I'm not breaking any rules with this, I'm still not sure why I was juniored! The reason I'm putting this here is I recall someone saying about another title and a few of us suggested Watch Dogs.

1. he is banned
2. he says it's his personal opinion

 

[anexanhume]

Thuway just tweeted about Watch Dogs. I don't want to derail this thread but it might be worth starting a thread for this. Here's the tweet:

https://twitter.com/thuway/status/426248567573864449

I hope I'm not breaking any rules with this, I'm still not sure why I was juniored! The reason I'm putting this here is I recall someone saying about another title and a few of us suggested Watch Dogs.

Digital Foundry is going to be busy this generation.

 

[ShinAmano]

It's a fantastic game, it even out uncharted uncharted 3.

I'll be double dipping but I'll wait a few weeks for a price drop

This.

 

[foxbeldin]

|OT| Tomb Raider Definitive/Acceptable Edition : Anything beyond 30fps is gravy

 

[GribbleGrunger]

1. he is banned
2. he says it's his personal opinion

Should I delete it then?

 

[INCUBA3E]

Thuway just tweeted about Watch Dogs. I don't want to derail this thread but it might be worth starting a thread for this. Here's the tweet:

https://twitter.com/thuway/status/426248567573864449

https://twitter.com/thuway/status/426236963763388416

I hope I'm not breaking any rules with this, I'm still not sure why I was juniored! The reason I'm putting this here is I recall someone saying about another title and a few of us suggested Watch Dogs.

hopefully that means the ps4 will continue to be 1080p + 60fps for this as well

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Edited, NM.

 

[jayu26]

Thuway just tweeted about Watch Dogs. I don't want to derail this thread but it might be worth starting a thread for this. Here's the tweet:

https://twitter.com/thuway/status/426248567573864449

https://twitter.com/thuway/status/426236963763388416

I hope I'm not breaking any rules with this, I'm still not sure why I was juniored! The reason I'm putting this here is I recall someone saying about another title and a few of us suggested Watch Dogs.

Can we not do this? There is reason he did not post it here, he has no back up on this. He would immediately get banned. He even says that that is his opinion in a later tweet.

Edit: beaten by a mile.

 

[Goodacre0081]

Did the same thing affect PS3 owners when the shoe was on the other foot or did they suck it up and get on with it?

But it is embarrassing that this is becoming a 'thing' now. If some devs are having this much trouble keeping parity with such early games it doesn't bode well unless MS gets it's ass in gear. Time and money will probably ease these issues somewhat but it's still a damm shame as the actual exclusives for the X1 are pretty good.

the gap wasn't nearly as big. the 360 had most of the better multiplats but the comparisons were fairly even, coming down to the wire on many occasions. this time it's almost pointless to compare them.

 

[benny_a]

Should I delete it then?

Too late.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Could those who quoted me please delete it from their response. I didn't know he was banned.

 

[Green Yoshi]

IGN says:



Square Enix spokesperson, what are you doing?

Telling the truth? The source of the OT is not very trustworthy. Even a Highend-PC has problems running Tomb Raider at 60 FPS with maximum details.

 

[frogg609]

Do you really own both systems or is that just a tagline to give you unbiased street cred? Your post history would seem to indicate you don't own a One

Really? Want me to take pictures? You can go look at my XBox Live Gamertag if you so desire (xsyn1cx). And if you didn't notice in my post history I'm not the biggest poster ever.Sorry if my history doesn't fit into the profile of someone who owns an XBOX One. (Yes I was on the fence about them for a while, but bought one between Thanksgiving and Christmas when Amazon got stock in).

 

[geordiemp]

Well I am buying this Tomb Raider game out of principle - want to reward devs giving us 1080 and 60 fps on console and why it is important for future releases.

Also it sends a message that re-releases on next gen with upped specs can make money and worth the effort.

I want TLOU and GTA V on PS4 (held out) and other games from 2013 - looking at the sales it appears I am not the only one to hold off on games in 2013 on my last gen console....

Definitely don't want to play streamed Ps3 versions on PS Now - Cant think of anything worse than compressed games with added latency...

Wow, looking back there are allot of greyed out names in this thread.

 

[PBY]

As someone who owns both consoles I really love that some devs are using all the power they have access to.

If it trends like this I'm pretty sure I'll be buying all my multiplat games on the Ps4.

Sidebar- is there a requirement that all games come out on PSN day 1? Thinking about picking this up, trying to buy mostly digital though.

 

[demosthenes]

|OT| Tomb Raider Definitive Edition : Anything beyond 30fps is gravy

I think we're done here.

Ha, was no need to post it anyway, any sane person would expect what he posted to be the case

No need to get personal against him.

 

[gcubed]

Could those who quoted me please delete it from their response. I didn't know he was banned.

Ha, was no need to post it anyway, any sane person would expect what he posted to be the case

 

[levyjl1988]

What is it in hardware/code that is making developers to create Xbox One games perform terrible compared to the Playstation 4?

 

[No Love]

I have no doubt the game is going to sell fairly poorly, due to it already being played last gen and the small install bases. But I suspect the port wasn't a expensive venture and they are expecting to make money on it even with low expectations. They should be fine.

I think this will sell pretty damn well considering Xbox One and PS4 are starved for content right now thanks to the post-launch lull. This will probably sell an easy 500k-1 mill units. It's pure profit for Square Enix on two consoles with very software hungry owners and good sized install bases.

 

[INCUBA3E]

What is it in hardware/code that is making developers to create Xbox One games perform terrible compared to the Playstation 4?

the secret sauce has curdled, creating lumpy performance

 

[jayu26]

As someone who owns both consoles I really love that some devs are using all the power they have access to.

If it trends like this I'm pretty sure I'll be buying all my multiplat games on the Ps4.

Sidebar- is there a requirement that all games come out on PSN day 1? Thinking about picking this up, trying to buy mostly digital though.

I don't know about requirement, but Sony have been doing a very good job lately at getting games out on PSN day 1, even on PS3. They also made a big deal about this before PS4 launch, so it is safe to assume that everything will day 1 digital.

the secret sauce has curdled, creating lumpy performance

It's not that Xbone lacks Secret Sauce™, it's that PS4 has Secret Gravy™.

 

[swcpig]

the gap wasn't nearly as big. the 360 had most of the better multiplats but the comparisons were fairly even, coming down to the wire on many occasions. this time it's almost pointless to compare them.

I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.

 

[PBY]

I don't know about requirement, but Sony have been doing a very good job lately at getting games out on PSN day 1 even on PS3. They also made a big deal about before PS4 launch, so it is safe to assume that everything will day 1 digital.

Yeah pretty sure all the PS4 stuff is digitally available.
Anyways- hope there's a digital option.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I think this will sell pretty damn well considering Xbox One and PS4 are starved for content right now thanks to the post-launch lull. This will probably sell an easy 500k-1 mill units. It's pure profit for Square Enix on two consoles with very software hungry owners and good sized install bases.

It's good timing for me at least. Will do nicely for Feb.

 

[INCUBA3E]

I don't know about requirement, but Sony have been doing a very good job lately at getting games out on PSN day 1 even on PS3. They also made a big deal about this before PS4 launch, so it is safe to assume that everything will day 1 digital.

if only the digital prices werent so stupid, id pre-order and buy most on digital, but whats the point when the price is the same as a physical copy

id rather have the physical copy and be able to trade

 

[cakefoo]

Because why not?

IDK, running at half the framerate maybe?