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NFL Pro Bowl Week: Neon Deion vs. The Fumbling Fraud

Bread

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Brentech's house got cleaned out Sunday morning. We found the culprit, blew up his house, and had everything back barely a few hours later. That stuff is fun in the moment but if you don't like building massive metal houses there is sort of a tipping point where you have vast means of production that takes any risk/reward out of the game. I'm not really sure what they can do to fix it to be honest. It's a fun fuck-around game and the headshot sound is so God damn satisfying but for me, I just don't care to build stuff and since it's so easy to rebuild stuff, I don't get much satisfaction in destroying stuff.
The shared doors with passwords should definitely help, that way a group can just share a nice sized compound. I wish there was more imperialism, where people would destroy enemy doors and take the damn house over and secure that point. Sadly we need more people for anything cool like that to happen.
 

Godslay

Banned
Julian Edelman did though. In fact Welker's stats in Denver and Edelman's on the Patriots line up almost exactly. Pats fans will take that to mean that Edelman is another superstar naturally.

There are a couple caveats between Edelman and Welker this year.

The stats between the two:

Edelman: 16 GP, 105 REC, 1056 yards, 6 TDs, 151 Tgts
Welker: 13 GP, 73 REC, 778 yards, 10 TDs, 110 Tgts

First,Welker played 13 games, while Edelman played 16. That's 3 games of production that Welker missed out on. So the numbers would align even more so.

Second, Welker was not the primary target in the offense as Edelman was. So that is additional production that fluffed Edelman's stats over Welkers.

I agree with you that the numbers would align more closely if the circumstances were right. I thought Welker's production would take a hit when he came to this offense, and I think some thought I was crazy to say that he would have less than 100 receptions.

As far as a superstar, I don't think he is, but he's a damn good slot WR. Personally, I think he was worth the money as he opens up the offense in the sense that he gives another short yardage option. That's invaluable in my eyes as it eases up the pressure on the run, and by default opens up the passing game to some degree. You don't really base your offense around him of course, but he's a luxury that makes the offense that much harder to defend. Edelman would be the same way if they had legitimate threats in the form of other receivers. Basically a luxury item.

If I was the Pats, I would pay for a legitimate #1 WR before even thinking about paying for Edelman. Even with Gronk back.
 

Goro Majima

Kitty Genovese Member
It is funny because if those games don't qualify as big franchises then almost all of Sony's first party doesn't count either.

Anyone ever noticed over in gaming side how certain people insist on referring to games by their Japanese titles even when they have extremely popular localizations in the USA and Europe. Does it increase your gaming cred or something?

I still call it Final Fantasy 2 and 3.

Oh my god you guys.

There's this girl in first year journalism class...like Ermagerd

So fine.

All of college is like that.
 

eznark

Banned
The shared doors with passwords should definitely help, that way a group can just share a nice sized compound. I wish there was more imperialism, where people would destroy enemy doors and take the damn house over and secure that point. Sadly we need more people for anything cool like that to happen.

The most fun I've had was when we broke into some dudes tower and there were a few people in it. We killed them a few times but one was able to spawn and build a wall and lock Sanjuro in! It was so rad. We then had to spend like an hour crafting C4 and building a siege machine to get him out.

Maybe Ferny was right and the prevalence of C4 has ruined the game.
 

KingGondo

Banned
The Last of Us and Uncharted arnt shooting stuff games?
They're not generic sci-fi military bullshit (Halo) or balls-out, roid-fest military bullshit (Gears).

I like a wide range of gaming experiences. Sony offers that better than MS in my eyes.

Sorry I hurt your feelings, bro.
 

Bread

Banned
You don't really base your offense around him of course, but he's a luxury that makes the offense that much harder to defend. Edelman would be the same way if they had legitimate threats in the form of other receivers. Basically a luxury item.

If I was the Pats, I would pay for a legitimate #1 WR before even thinking about paying for Edelman. Even with Gronk back.
Edelman is the best punt returner in the league too, don't forget that. I honestly think he's a better overall player than Welker right now, and it would be a huge mistake to not sign him because we also need a #1.
 

Tabris

Member
Edelman is the best punt returner in the league too, don't forget that. I honestly think he's a better overall player than Welker right now, and it would be a huge mistake to not sign him because we also need a #1.

Hahahahaha haha haha. Good one.
 

Bread

Banned
The most fun I've had was when we broke into some dudes tower and there were a few people in it. We killed them a few times but one was able to spawn and build a wall and lock Sanjuro in! It was so rad. We then had to spend like an hour crafting C4 and building a siege machine to get him out.

Maybe Ferny was right and the prevalence of C4 has ruined the game.
That's hilarious. I still haven't experienced a real raid like that. There was a video posted in the first few pages of the Rust thread of a rescue mission just like that one.

The game was very very different before C4 was craftable, more loot runs and such. I think adding more air drops would do a lot for the game as well, those are always a lot of fun when multiple groups are fighting over one.
 

Greg

Member
The most fun I've had was when we broke into some dudes tower and there were a few people in it. We killed them a few times but one was able to spawn and build a wall and lock Sanjuro in! It was so rad. We then had to spend like an hour crafting C4 and building a siege machine to get him out.

Maybe Ferny was right and the prevalence of C4 has ruined the game.
I have no clue what the game is about, but it sounds fun.
 

simples

Banned
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i used to believe in bear
 
There are a couple caveats between Edelman and Welker this year.

The stats between the two:

Edelman: 16 GP, 105 REC, 1056 yards, 6 TDs, 151 Tgts
Welker: 13 GP, 73 REC, 778 yards, 10 TDs, 110 Tgts

First,Welker played 13 games, while Edelman played 16. That's 3 games of production that Welker missed out on. So the numbers would align even more so.

Second, Welker was not the primary target in the offense as Edelman was. So that is additional production that fluffed Edelman's stats over Welkers.

I agree with you that the numbers would align more closely if the circumstances were right. I thought Welker's production would take a hit when he came to this offense, and I think some thought I was crazy to say that he would have less than 100 receptions.

As far as a superstar, I don't think he is, but he's a damn good slot WR. Personally, I think he was worth the money as he opens up the offense in the sense that he gives another short yardage option. That's invaluable in my eyes as it eases up the pressure on the run, and by default opens up the passing game to some degree. You don't really base your offense around him of course, but he's a luxury that makes the offense that much harder to defend. Edelman would be the same way if they had legitimate threats in the form of other receivers. Basically a luxury item.

If I was the Pats, I would pay for a legitimate #1 WR before even thinking about paying for Edelman. Even with Gronk back.

If I were the Patriots, I wouldn't pay for Edelman either. I mean, you let a guy walk and his replacement doesn't miss a beat? Why can't any schmoe do what he does? Pats have an endless knack for finding "scrappy, high football IQ" guys, why bother paying top dollar for them?
 

eznark

Banned
That's hilarious. I still haven't experienced a real raid like that. There was a video posted in the first few pages of the Rust thread of a rescue mission just like that one.

The game was very very different before C4 was craftable, more loot runs and such. I think adding more air drops would do a lot for the game as well, those are always a lot of fun when multiple groups are fighting over one.

Yeah that was us, Ferny posted it I think.

And that's true. We had an awesome shootout at the air drops on Sunday. It was before we got our stuff back so Brentech was running around without gear but since I am wily, I survived with all of my stuff intact. So Brentech, wearing no clothes and carrying a rock, beat me to the air drop. Some asshole in full Kevlar and a shotgun opens up on him. I come up over the hill with my silenced, holo-scoped M4 and just mow that fucker down, saving Brent's life.

Then some clown with no gear came over the hill and I shot him too just for the fuck of it.
 

squicken

Member
Cleveland sure seems all in on a mobile QB

But you have to wonder, if Banner and Lombardi like mobile QBs, why did they hire Chud and Norv, who wanted to run Air Coryell from the pocket?

Pettine said:
“In today’s NFL, you’re seeing more and more use of the mobile quarterback – Russell Wilson, (Colin) Kaepernick, EJ Manuel. I think trends in football rise. I think a lot of the college stuff is getting to the NFL. But I think you can win both ways. So that’s gonna be a long, hard discussion with the offensive staff, how we want to build it and also look at what quarterbacks are available and have the flexibility in the system that whoever we take, we’re limited in what we can do because of him. We need to tailor what our package is based on his strengths.”

Pettine said that as a defensive coordinator, the threat of a quarterback running with the ball always consumed his game-planning.

“We had to waste a lot of time in practice, we had to waste meeting time, we had to devote a lot of time in our walk-throughs to handling the zone read, then throwing the bubble (screen) if the offenses saw the run being defended,” he said. “Those are things that take a lot of time to defend properly.
 
They're not generic sci-fi military bullshit (Halo) or balls-out, roid-fest military bullshit (Gears).

I like a wide range of gaming experiences. Sony offers that better than MS in my eyes.

Sorry I hurt your feelings, bro.

Do you always have this much trouble talking to people? No ones feelings are hurt at all. You are the guy that thought Weeden would be good for gods sake. I was just surprised to see you say you dont like shooty games and then list a game like Uncharted which is nothing but dudebro shooty stuff. Uncharted and Last of Us are both great franchises/games btw. It is very strange to me that you keep trying to twist this into me being upset about your preferences or something. Your first post wasnt clear so I replied to it but now I understand perfectly. Clearly you made the right choice for you, no one is trying to say anything different.
 

Bread

Banned
Yeah that was us, Ferny posted it I think.
Oh right, now I remember sanjuro being in that video.
And that's true. We had an awesome shootout at the air drops on Sunday. It was before we got our stuff back so Brentech was running around without gear but since I am wily, I survived with all of my stuff intact. So Brentech, wearing no clothes and carrying a rock, beat me to the air drop. Some asshole in full Kevlar and a shotgun opens up on him. I come up over the hill with my silenced, holo-scoped M4 and just mow that fucker down, saving Brent's life.

Then some clown with no gear came over the hill and I shot him too just for the fuck of it.
*sigh* This is the stuff I've been missing out on. My friends are getting the game soon so that will be cool, but I've been pretty disappointed with the gaf group. Littleworm is the only guy who is always looking for something fun to do. The rest either left for another server or are just playing DayZ.
 
If I were the Patriots, I wouldn't pay for Edelman either. I mean, you let a guy walk and his replacement doesn't miss a beat? Why can't any schmoe do what he does? Pats have an endless knack for finding "scrappy, high football IQ" guys, why bother paying top dollar for them?

They signed TJ Moe last year, who I believe is still on the practice squad who is another high motor, gritty white receiver. Don't know what he can do though.

What works in Edelman his advantage is that he can play more on the outside than Welker could so he's less limited in his role in the O, plus he adds value with his punt return skills.

Plus Tom loves him. Not that all that really matters, Bill would trade Gisele to the Browns if he believed it was best for the team.

I would like to see Edelman back, but I don't think they will pay him what he wants to be paid. Don't see him care enough about the team to take a team-friendly deal or anything.
 
They signed TJ Moe last year, who I believe is still on the practice squad who is another high motor, gritty white receiver. Don't know what he can do though.

What works in Edelman his advantage is that he can play more on the outside than Welker could so he's less limited in his role in the O, plus he adds value with his punt return skills.

Plus Tom loves him. Not that all that really matters, Bill would trade Gisele to the Browns if he believed it was best for the team.

I would like to see Edelman back, but I don't think they will pay him what he wants to be paid. Don't see him care enough about the team to take a team-friendly deal or anything.

I think the challenge to the Pats keeping Edelman is Amendola. He's a 5 million cap hit if cut. Don't see the Pats swallowing that.
 

bionic77

Member
Go ask for her # right now.
It is sad but I think I forgot how to ask a girl out. I am fucked if my wife dies or I get divorced. Even with me not knowing exactly what to do somehow this doesn't seem like a great idea.

Study group first to get to know her and make sure all the dudes in the group are uglier than Gata.
 

KingGondo

Banned
Cleveland sure seems all in on a mobile QB

But you have to wonder, if Banner and Lombardi like mobile QBs, why did they hire Chud and Norv, who wanted to run Air Coryell from the pocket?
I just wish they weren't so damn obvious about drafting Manziel. At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if they get conned into trading up for him.

If you stay at 4, you're either getting Manziel, Clowney, Barr, or Bridgewater. Any of those guys would be acceptable IMO.
 
I'm taking a creative writing class this semester for some filler credits, and this lunkhead sitting next to me said that Peter King is his favorite writer.

No words.
 

Colasante

Member
They signed TJ Moe last year, who I believe is still on the practice squad who is another high motor, gritty white receiver. Don't know what he can do though.

What works in Edelman his advantage is that he can play more on the outside than Welker could so he's less limited in his role in the O, plus he adds value with his punt return skills.

Plus Tom loves him. Not that all that really matters, Bill would trade Gisele to the Browns if he believed it was best for the team.

I would like to see Edelman back, but I don't think they will pay him what he wants to be paid. Don't see him care enough about the team to take a team-friendly deal or anything.

I'd like to see Edelman back as well, but I don't want the Patriots to overpay for him just because he's Tom's security blanket. If he's healthy, Amendola can do what Edelman did and as you said, TJ Moe will be available as well, not to mention that Josh Boyce could probably play in the slot as well. They have more pressing needs that have to be addressed in free agency with their limited cap space, Edelman may be a luxury they can't afford.
 
It is sad but I think I forgot how to ask a girl out. I am fucked if my wife dies or I get divorced. Even with me not knowing exactly what to do somehow this doesn't seem like a great idea.

Study group first to get to know her and make sure all the dudes in the group are uglier than Gata.

Should the divorce ever happen make sure you tell the girls that she left you at the very least you'll get some sympathy sex out of it.
 

rando14

Member
I have no clue what the game is about, but it sounds fun.

Dude we should play, it'll be us vs the world!!

It is sad but I think I forgot how to ask a girl out. I am fucked if my wife dies or I get divorced. Even with me not knowing exactly what to do somehow this doesn't seem like a great idea.

Study group first to get to know her and make sure all the dudes in the group are uglier than Gata.

D.E.N.N.I.S. system
 

cdyhybrid

Member
It is sad but I think I forgot how to ask a girl out. I am fucked if my wife dies or I get divorced. Even with me not knowing exactly what to do somehow this doesn't seem like a great idea.

Study group first to get to know her and make sure all the dudes in the group are uglier than Gata.

Just emulate your role model Ben.
 

Tom Penny

Member
If I were the Patriots, I wouldn't pay for Edelman either. I mean, you let a guy walk and his replacement doesn't miss a beat? Why can't any schmoe do what he does? Pats have an endless knack for finding "scrappy, high football IQ" guys, why bother paying top dollar for them?

Edelman won't have a ton of suitors. Just pay him roughly Dola money and on to the next. The free agent WR pool is trash or want too much money anyway. If anything they need to sign a big target just for redzone purposes even if that's all he's good at. They don't really have a problem moving the ball between the 20's. It's the lack of guys that can win one one one in the redzone on jump balls etc..except for Gronk who can't stay on the field. It's a broken record but everything revloves around him. Him and Megatron are the best pass catching threats in the game. An offense cannot function the same losing players of that caliber.
 

Bread

Banned
I'd like to see Edelman back as well, but I don't want the Patriots to overpay for him just because he's Tom's security blanket. If he's healthy, Amendola can do what Edelman did and as you said, TJ Moe will be available as well, not to mention that Josh Boyce could probably play in the slot as well. They have more pressing needs that have to be addressed in free agency with their limited cap space, Edelman may be a luxury they can't afford.
Edelman is not a luxury. At all. He was the ONLY consistent option all year and you guys want to let him walk because we have Amendola and TJ MOE? Fuckin hell.
 

Greg

Member
It is sad but I think I forgot how to ask a girl out. I am fucked if my wife dies or I get divorced. Even with me not knowing exactly what to do somehow this doesn't seem like a great idea.

Study group first to get to know her and make sure all the dudes in the group are uglier than Gata.
invite her to the local rec to play a friendly game of Horse

when she attempts her first shot, swat that shit back in her face and walk out

she'll call you by the end of the night

Dude we should play, it'll be us vs the world!!
I'm not sure if the world can hang
 
I think the challenge to the Pats keeping Edelman is Amendola. He's a 5 million cap hit if cut. Don't see the Pats swallowing that.

Amendola will be with the team no matter what next year. Don't see them pull the plug on him this fast. I'm mentally preparing myself for seeing Edelman with the Niners next year.

It is sad but I think I forgot how to ask a girl out. I am fucked if my wife dies or I get divorced. Even with me not knowing exactly what to do somehow this doesn't seem like a great idea.

Study group first to get to know her and make sure all the dudes in the group are uglier than Gata.

You have money, you'll be fine.

I'd like to see Edelman back as well, but I don't want the Patriots to overpay for him just because he's Tom's security blanket. If he's healthy, Amendola can do what Edelman did and as you said, TJ Moe will be available as well, not to mention that Josh Boyce could probably play in the slot as well. They have more pressing needs that have to be addressed in free agency with their limited cap space, Edelman may be a luxury they can't afford.

Yeah, losing Edelman seems like a real possibility. Talib has the highest priority I think, McCourty needs a new deal too and there is no way Bill let's him walk an there are ao many other names that are hitting free agency that Edelman might be like you said a luxury.
 

Godslay

Banned
Edelman is the best punt returner in the league too, don't forget that. I honestly think he's a better overall player than Welker right now, and it would be a huge mistake to not sign him because we also need a #1.

McCluster, Tate, and Brown are all better yards wise, but he's damn good no doubt. Welker rarely returns punts in Denver, so I don't think you can hold that against him when comparing the two.

As WRs, I think they are fairly close. The one thing Edelman has going for him is youth, so to say he's a better player right now could very well be true. When Wes was 27, he was putting up more impressive numbers though. Either way they are close right now, with Edelman in his prime and Wes exiting it.

If I were the Patriots, I wouldn't pay for Edelman either. I mean, you let a guy walk and his replacement doesn't miss a beat? Why can't any schmoe do what he does? Pats have an endless knack for finding "scrappy, high football IQ" guys, why bother paying top dollar for them?

They've already paid the guy they thought was the future at that spot. So if they resign Edelman there is some duplication of roles with Amendola. Better to keep Amendola, and dedicate Edelman money elsewhere imo.

Edelman might be better, but Amendola can replicate that production, I think, and you'd have a bit of cash to push towards a decent WR. Even though there won't be much out there in terms of FA. There's Kenny Britt and Maclin and that's about it. So they're in a weird spot, where they might have to draft or feed off of someone else's scraps if they don't resign him.

Off to work, have a good day guys!
 
I don't know if I can be agressive enough to get a girl interested anymore.

That was my schtick - extreme confidence. 50 percent of the time it worked every time.
 

bionic77

Member
invite her to the local rec to play a friendly game of Horse

when she attempts her first shot, swat that shit back in her face and walk out

she'll call you by the end of the night
I tried that in middle school and it didn't work. I guess I should kept trying the system it was obviously the girls fault that it didn't work.

forget that. Just go straight to the B.E.N. system.
Thanks for the advice guys but I am not that into unconscious fat chicks. I might change my mind if I get hit by a car or I am alone for several miserable years, but if I ever get back into the game I am just going to be a sugardaddy to some really stupid hot young girls.
 
I don't know if I can be agressive enough to get a girl interested anymore.

That was my schtick - extreme confidence. 50 percent of the time it worked every time.
I was the friend zoned guy. Spent too much time being nice. That would be very different if I were ever single again. Not that I plan to be. Nearly 16 years into a marriage and two kids later, I don't ever see myself putting the effort in to get here again.
 
They've already paid the guy they thought was the future at that spot. So if they resign Edelman there is some duplication of roles with Amendola. Better to keep Amendola, and dedicate Edelman money elsewhere imo.

Edelman might be better, but Amendola can replicate that production, I think, and you'd have a bit of cash to push towards a decent WR. Even though there won't be much out there in terms of FA. There's Kenny Britt and Maclin and that's about it. So they're in a weird spot, where they might have to draft or feed off of someone else's scraps if they don't resign him.

There's gonna be a ton of guys in Free Agency. Nicks, Sanders, Baldwin, tons of possession guys. Pats will have their pick of the litter. Personally I think Sanders is a Patriot at the end of FA; good, but not amazing, can play flanker or slot, won't command a high salary. Perfect for the Patsies.
 
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