Pretty much exactly my problem with this episode.
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This should have been the episode that aired following the Wolves attacking Alexandria, which itself focused on Morgan grappling with his new peaceful outlook and direct references to this episode. In other words it should have been last week's episode. It would have been picking up the story of Morgan naturally in the context of the last episode, and it wouldn't have been a 90 minute flashback episode immediately following a giant clusterfuck of a cliffhanger/non-cliffhanger/cliffhanger episode.
SictorVullivan
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You can just tell how big AMC were trolling people by putting a 90 minute Morgan only episode after the crazy cliffhangers that surrounded Glenn and to an extent Rick.
Regardless I enjoyed this episode a lot, good to see more of the timeline being filled out.
Regardless I enjoyed this episode a lot, good to see more of the timeline being filled out.
Yep it all seems to be adding up to that. Comic Spoilers:
Rick doing what the first person he met in the apocalypse would do makes a lot of sense. Especially since we have already seen Morgan break through to him a little bit with the whole burying Pete properly rather then just leaving his body. Plus I don't see them doing Glen dying by Negan since we are dealing with the whole Glen is "dead" thing right now. I do expect tho that the Glen we knew is dead and is hopefully more badass. Especially going into all out war.
And Daryl I just can't honestly believe they would kill of this early when he's so damn popular and is a show only characters. He could have some great character stuff going into All out war and beyond. So that just leaves Morgan in my book. but who knows what happens. They could be trolling us all with this crap lol
The Artisan
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I feel like
if Morgan is the one to die then everyone's gonna start saying the whole "ohhh why does walking dead always kill their black characters" thing again
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I don't they'll kill Morgan, the bigger payoff would probably be for him to witness that his ways unfortunately cannot work in this world. He and Rick will have to meet somewhere in the middle in order to continue surviving.
Not only are they going to attempt to pull off the cheapest most ridiculous fake out death in TV history, they had the nerve to air this pointless 90 min episode which could have aired a week ago or any other time this season. It's like the show is a constant commercial for itself, doing the most to keep you watching, it's unfair to the fans.
It's not like it isn't true....
It's not like it isn't true....
Nah, Morgan will be Tyrese 2.0
Yeah, there's a chance Tyreese won't make it to the end of this season.
WEll, one is something you usually see in the movies, the other is an adaption of what is considered a corner stone of comic books.
It's like the dude was not aware there were two other Battlefronts.
Are you telling me Eastman was incapable of pulling Morgan back by his collar?
Red Mage
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...er, wha? Isn't he already dead?
Sounds like you sure are just like Morgan.
Comic spoilers:
i mean that's going to happen no matter when a black character goes. At least if Morgan is the one who takes Lucille to the face his death would go down as one of the biggest in the shows run. Plus it would be Negan killing him. And if it takes Negan to end Morgan I would say his character had a pretty damn good run. Especially compared to how lame he went out in the comics.
JetForceGemini
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If they really want Negan to be this big bad evil character, how about Judith gets the death
COMIC AND FUTURE EPISODE SPOILER QUESTION,
The Artisan
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I have a feeling they want judith to grow up, and have her be the ellie/kid from the road type of character.
SictorVullivan
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There's something you should know...
Honestly, the guy's teeth alone made it valid to take him out.
They could have handled it any number of ways. Are you telling me the same goofball who uttered "shit" and stood frozen for seconds when he recognized that Morgan was going to go for the fire-poker was incapable of making an equally dumb decision by putting himself between Morgan and the zombie?
It's a really weird thing to get stuck on, given the whole.
The Silver
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I seriously was expecting this lol
Black-Wind
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Is it worth watching the Episode from last night?
I don't care about how he became a stick fighting moral chump who doesn't kill :/
I don't care about how he became a stick fighting moral chump who doesn't kill :/
Sectorseven
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In that case probably not.
Yeah, you should watch it then.
Theanine3D
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You should at least watch the beginning as well as the end of the episode. It sets up what will probably be some major Wolf-related plot points later in the season.
You will miss literally nothing apart from the last 2 minutes or so which is set in the present day, and even that can be summarised in a line.
If you don't care about Morgan, don't bother. I nearly fell asleep.
I laughed so hard at this. lol
Now that you mention it...it might be some from that group that Daryl hooked up with when he was looking for Beth. Unless Rick and friends just murdered them all and its just another crazy group.
More_Badass
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I doubt it. That group was in Georgia. They're in Virginia now
GavinUK86
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Great episode, just a bit annoying with all the Glenn talk looming over it.
I just read this on Deadline which I found interesting:
http://deadline.com/2015/11/steven-yeun-glenn-on-walking-dead-removed-from-opening-credits-1201603722/
"Yeun has also been seen on set filming episodes for later this season, and he recently signed a new contract."
Well, if that's true, he's obviously not dead then.
I just read this on Deadline which I found interesting:
http://deadline.com/2015/11/steven-yeun-glenn-on-walking-dead-removed-from-opening-credits-1201603722/
"Yeun has also been seen on set filming episodes for later this season, and he recently signed a new contract."
Well, if that's true, he's obviously not dead then.
My understanding was that once you were a season regular, you were paid for the entire season whether you were in the episode or not. I feel like I read that during season 3 but I've got no sources.
I wasn't crazy about the episode. We already know Morgan's code. It is also tiring to see our group run into people who have in one way or another been surviving just fine in the zombie apocalypse. One episode with a Walking Dead regular and they and everything they loved is dead, usually stupidly.
This show has shoved it down our throats that humans are the real threat. I really don't like this but this is the show we have. Kill or be killed blah blah blah. They have killed off every character that saw the world differently. And now, we have Morgan. I'm just not excited about this. I guess the best case for me will be a compromise between Rick/Carol and Morgan's philosophy. It's just hard to enjoy last night's episode when we've just seen how detrimental Morgan's newfound belief system is to a group of people that we really care about. Hell, Morgan already got Eastman killed. Not a great beginning.
RatskyWatsky
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Bingo. If what we think will happen happens 'Here's Not Here' will end up being one of the most crucial episodes in the show's history.
Agreed.
TheLostBigBoss
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dude spoiler tag this shit ffs. Even if the information is out there people go out of their way to NOT know.
Killing_Joke
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The episode structure is what hurt it the most. How do you have a 90 min filler after a cliffhanger? NINETY MINUTES. They stretched out something that could have been explained in a small webisode. They are trying to rationalize his new way of life that no one is willing to accept. Rick doesn't want to kill for fun, he simply does it for self defense which is perfectly reasonable. If Morgan causes a main character to die my piss will boil.
NYR
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Ugh, no. would hate if this happens.
Main long term cast
Just watched it. Excellent episode. Morgan is a great character and I thought he did a great job in this one. There was a few scenes were you can see flickers of recognition in his face that focus pure survival and nihilism is not the way to be. I'm really glad he didn't kill the wolf at the end.
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i fully expect that if Morgan dies at the hands of Negan then we will see some of our major long term cast member perish in the war. In the comics no one really died except Holly and Nicholas as far as I can remember. Both Glen and Carol I could see die during all out war. Still don't think Daryl would but I guess we will see where his character goes this season and the next if he isn't the one who dies from Negan.
plus I just don't think Morgan's character would work in all out war, unless he completely changes again there's no way he will make it. He'll just get all our main characters killed from the saviors and Negan
so basically you are saying "white lives matter"
the post does bring up Fear which is good. 3 black people died in 2 episodes for no reason (first casualties of the show). The drug dealer was black for christ sakes.
This seems counter productive. The whole reason the "black characters dying" thing became problematic is because there were so few black characters to the point that literally the one major black character on the show would die as another was introduced, as if the show only had room for one major black character at a time. If it hadn't happened with such consistency to the point of absurdity, it wouldn't have become a complaint leveled at the show in the first place.
The show has never lacked for major white characters, so pointing out all the white characters who have died is missing or deflecting the entire argument. A white character dying on the show doesn't create a gaping void of representation.
To be entirely fair, The Walking Dead has largely moved past this issue. But it was certainly disheartening that literally the first three people with speaking roles to die on Fear the Walking Dead were the only three black males with speaking roles. Just demonstrated a complete lack of awareness for what they were making.
Super Nothing
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I consider everyone that died at Alexandria to be Morgan's fault already. He had the chance to kill the Wolves (at least the two that appear to be leaders) at the end of last season when they attacked him and basically explained that they kill everyone that they come across. They then went on to find Aaron's bag which brought them to Alexandria which interfered with the plan to get rid of the quarry horde. All of that is traced back to Morgan's inaction during his original encounter with the Wolves. Everyone that died during those events is at least partially his fault.
RatskyWatsky
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Fixed.
Black-Wind
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THANKS!
I might check it out if I need something to watch sometime ... this week.
Maybe :/
WickedLaharl
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Amazing episode elevated to even greater heights by pissing glenners off 
Amazing episode elevated to even greater heights by pissing glenners off
For real.
near
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You can look at it that way or you can trace it back and blame Deanna since Rick had encouraged them to stop scouting for more survivors since there arrival at Alexandria. Rick had also told Daryl not to team up with Aaron and continue looking for more survivors as well yet they still did. If it had not been for Morgan, Aaron and Daryl wouldn't have made it out of the trap set up by the Wolves. Morgan isn't solely to blame, but had he killed them to begin with this story arc wouldn't have existed. It's a formula we've seen with the other characters before, which ends up darkening the character which feels responsible, in this case Morgan doesn't feel that way, it's Aaron who finds the pictures in one of the Wolves' bags and realises he's mistake.
Do people actually like Morgan? He's a more capable but just as dumb and more importantly dangerous character like Carl.
Him letting the W people with a gun last week (who then tried using it on Rick)... like how dumb can you get? We're 6 seasons in, he's actively putting people in danger by letting these people go.
Him letting the W people with a gun last week (who then tried using it on Rick)... like how dumb can you get? We're 6 seasons in, he's actively putting people in danger by letting these people go.
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