texhnolyze
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True. It seems that people stopped watching after a couple of minutes or so.
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10 Minutes of New Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice Gameplay
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True. It seems that people stopped watching after a couple of minutes or so.
I'm baffled by all these "add feedback, the enemies don't react" posts.
There is feedback. Even the big guy at the beginning reacts to the cuts every now and then. It would be incredibly simple to button mash if every cut staggered even the bigger enemies. This ain't no MMO.
My only dislike is the closeness of the camera out of combat.
There is feedback. Even the big guy at the beginning reacts to the cuts every now and then. It would be incredibly simple to button mash if every cut staggered even the bigger enemies. This ain't no MMO.
My only dislike is the closeness of the camera out of combat.
The idea behind the gameplay is very similar including the camera placement. Just because its not a goofy and over the top style doesn't change that.
semiconscious
Member
'slog - the game'...
sure is pretty, tho!
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sure is pretty, tho!
...ElBoxyBrown
Banned
That's like saying Metroid Prime is inferior to COD. They're not going for the same thing.
Is this "No" for good price or for physical release.
Who is talking about inferior or superior? My point is that its a similar style game to God Hand. That's it.
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
Few shit quality gifs of enemies reacting to hits, in case you didn't watch that far into the vid.
Yeah that's what I mean. Nioh blows Souls combat out of the water but the big enemies (and smaller ones, to an extent) react the exact same way when you hit them.
Yeah that's what I mean. Nioh blows Souls combat out of the water but the big enemies (and smaller ones, to an extent) react the exact same way when you hit them.
brunomartynhak
Member
Sounds like my type of game tbh.
I liked the combat. It is methodical as a Soulslike, isn't?
Maybe it drags for too long, other than that I enjoyed.
There will not be a physical release.
baberunisei
Member
This looks like my kind of game. Can't wait for the release
SunBroDave
Member
Hellblade is a game I want to like way more than I actually do.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Regardless the thing that separates Hellblade apart is it's slow pacing, atmosphere, and story, things that God Hand did not have.
LordKasual
Banned
My only real issue is how terribly limiting the lock-on mechanic clearly is.
The camera position is one thing, but how she just locks onto a single enemy with another right on the side of her swinging is pretty silly looking. Especially for how weighty the combat feels. It takes the nice animations they have and just kind of makes them feel stiff by association with that rigid ass camera.
This game and God of War feels like it's just wasting its potential with this walking simulator "SUPER IMMERSION" angle.
But it's cheap, so i see no reason not to pick it up.
The camera position is one thing, but how she just locks onto a single enemy with another right on the side of her swinging is pretty silly looking. Especially for how weighty the combat feels. It takes the nice animations they have and just kind of makes them feel stiff by association with that rigid ass camera.
This game and God of War feels like it's just wasting its potential with this walking simulator "SUPER IMMERSION" angle.
But it's cheap, so i see no reason not to pick it up.
I'm talking about the the actual gameplay and the close over the shoulder camera in relation to this. That's it. Again not talking about quality or visuals and I've said that several times now. Are you going to bring up that God Hand starred a man not a woman next?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Imo, both games are really different to me is all I'm saying.
Yeah and the gameplay that is driving it is similar in style and idea to God Hand. I'm fairly sure the developers even mention it in their developer diary videos.
LordKasual
Banned
This game's feedback looks amazing, honestly. Don't know where people are getting that from.
The issue with it on this game though is how the enemies are being heavily staggered, yet seemingly taking no damage, because she has to hack them like 20 times before they actually fall.
In Dark Souls, typically if you get hit and are sent flying, you're either about to die or already dead. Attacks that blow enemies away or stagger them heavily do a proportionate amount of damage.
So yeah the problem with the feedback on this game is that it's visually amazing, but from a gameplay perspective, it looks superficial.
I really enjoyed it, though I did think this combat section was a bit too long, we'll see how it goes in the final game.
I think that's by design. These voices torment Senua, they're not just cool characters, they're making her life hell. I don't think it's an issue that they're annoying. It was also used in a very interesting way, gameplaywise. Having a voice telling you "behind you" to prevent you from getting unfairly hit from an out of camera attack seems to be a pretty clever design choice that fits the game's themes.
Rahni Tucker is the combat designer for DmC, and I don't think she's involved in this game. She was directing the Definitive Edition while Hellblade was already in production, so I'm assuming she's directing one of the other 3 projects they have going on at the moment. I hope I'm right, she obviously has a ton of potential, at least as far as action games are concerned.
I think that's by design. These voices torment Senua, they're not just cool characters, they're making her life hell. I don't think it's an issue that they're annoying. It was also used in a very interesting way, gameplaywise. Having a voice telling you "behind you" to prevent you from getting unfairly hit from an out of camera attack seems to be a pretty clever design choice that fits the game's themes.
Rahni Tucker is the combat designer for DmC, and I don't think she's involved in this game. She was directing the Definitive Edition while Hellblade was already in production, so I'm assuming she's directing one of the other 3 projects they have going on at the moment. I hope I'm right, she obviously has a ton of potential, at least as far as action games are concerned.
Laurel_McFang
Member
I liked how they worked voices in your head into hey that means you can be attacked from all sides because one of the voices can warn you on the other hand the mental environment of the protoganist is so similar to mine it makes me wonder if I am schizophreniac.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
The combat looks...fine?
I'm not sure what people were expecting. Ninja Theory have come out and said that the combat was not the main focus of the game.
It looks like a standard OTS camera. The FOV along with character distance looks fine.
It's hardly RE6 levels of zoomed in camera.
I'm not sure what people were expecting. Ninja Theory have come out and said that the combat was not the main focus of the game.
It looks like a standard OTS camera. The FOV along with character distance looks fine.
It's hardly RE6 levels of zoomed in camera.
This is a good point, and I feel like an interesting way to solve both this and the "combat takes too long" issues would be adding a difficulty mode in the vein of KH's Critical Mode. You can deal quite a bit of damage, but you'll also die very quickly. It may even intensify Senua's fragility, which is something they want to convey through the story already.
By making it an optional mode, they don't have to fear negative feedback due to people complaining that you die too fast.
Enemies taking damage that looks proportionate to the animation feedback would be great for this no-HUD style of gameplay, and would make fights end quickly, while also having you on the edge of your seat all the way through them, which would also make them feel even faster.
SDCowboy
Member
It doesn't even really look like full OTS to me (maybe I'm wrong). The camera looks to often be around butt level. It seems especially bad during combat.
I'm sure of the bolded, but the frequency and pitch is too high. You can convey the same effect without it becoming grating. The incessant left/right balance shift in particular takes it from an atmospheric piece to a gimmick.
Anyway, the combat looks OK for a cinematic game. Dodging, blocking, a parry, a stunning knee, and a meter with some different runes probably relating to powers, of which we only saw bullet time. The parry barely gives you much reward though, and the player relies on chopping down the lumbering health tanks through frequent bullet time.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
I don't know, I think it looks fine.
This kind of camera would be shit if it had a low FOV, but it doesn't. You can even see how the camera switches to a wider view after combat ends, giving the player a greater view distance when they explore the environment.
DangerMouse
Member
Love this. I think this is still looking quite good.
LordKasual
Banned
Yeah, honestly combat that looks this weighty and realistic would heavily benefit from a more Bushido Blade style damage system, where getting hit once or twice basically kills you, so the majority of fighting is actually just parries and dodges.
If my character is weighty and sluggish, yet it still takes 10 clean body strikes with a sword to drop some guy, what's the point? You might as well just let me double jump and air combo then, because this combat isn't fooling anyone with being realistic lol
SDCowboy
Member
I guess I just wish the camera was zoomed out more, and stayed there.
Prithee Be Careful
Industry Professional
Fair point - personally speaking, I think TO's issues were more considerable than a lack of value proposition. Even at £19.99, I would've still felt it was a pretty but forgettable experience.
I think that's what I get from this snippet.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
SMH, no hit feedback at all. It's like swinging at air.
Found another video of a boss battle where it's even worse.
Hard pass on this amateur shlock.
Too bad they aren't SSM. They will never measure up to God of War with this pleb budget and team, which is exactly what they where trying and failing to do here since they've always said that the focus was on over the top combat... Also --> This vid. How anybody can listen to that and not think GoW... I don't know man. Bonus if you noticed the vomit inducing hit detection in that video too.
Found another video of a boss battle where it's even worse.
Hard pass on this amateur shlock.
Too bad they aren't SSM. They will never measure up to God of War with this pleb budget and team, which is exactly what they where trying and failing to do here since they've always said that the focus was on over the top combat... Also --> This vid. How anybody can listen to that and not think GoW... I don't know man. Bonus if you noticed the vomit inducing hit detection in that video too.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Few shit quality gifs of enemies reacting to hits, in case you didn't watch that far into the vid.
Yeah that's what I mean. Nioh blows Souls combat out of the water but the big enemies (and smaller ones, to an extent) react the exact same way when you hit them.
Are the enemies made of clouds?! SMH
How do they get away with this?
For the physical release. I've not played the game so I can't comment on the price.
What do you mean?
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
He's taking the piss. Check out his earlier comment.
BakedTanooki
Member
Whats going on with the "the enemies don't react on hits!" talk? Lol.
That's not true at all.
Looks like solid / standard hit reaction, or staggering on the big enemies.
Nothing special, but also nothing wrong with it.
That's not true at all.
Looks like solid / standard hit reaction, or staggering on the big enemies.
Nothing special, but also nothing wrong with it.