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[grandjedi6]

Oh, my apologies, then. In that case, your Iowa caucus Republican list has Huck with 37 instead of 17 as it should be.

When and how do we find out what the delegate numbers are from each state?

Ahh thanks for catching that


It depends on the state. New Hampshire and Wyoming are basically confirmed. However some of Michigan's and all of Iowa's are determined by the state conventions later on. Iowa in particular could potentially give out delegates that are completely opposite of the vote. That's why every site has the same numbers for Wyoming and New Hampshire but everyone completely disagrees on Iowa. Its all guess work. Thankfully most sources agree with each other within a few delegates.

 

[Lazy vs Crazy]

This is a great thread. Thanks for making it.

 

[Bishman]

Cmon Obama pull through.

How long can Ron Paul stay in the race?

 

[soul creator]

Chris Dodd/Leslie Nielsen/Phil Donahue/Del Harris

separated at birth?

 

[APF]

Coming from the person who thinks the only thing separating Bush and Obama is skin color :lol

There are more differences--for example Bush has extensive executive experience.

 

[speculawyer]

Upcoming Primaries/Caucuses

January 19
Nevada Caucus (Democrats -- 33 delegates, Republicans -- 34 delegates)

South Carolina Primary [Republicans only] (Republicans -- 24 delegates)

Why are all the Republicans crawling all over South Carolina for 24 delegates while virtually ignoring Nevada and its 34 delegates?

Is this because they all want to get a headstart in the south?

Spoiler

A "southern strategy" as it were?

 

[speculawyer]

There are more differences--for example Bush has extensive executive experience.

:lol

He certainly does . . . he has run many businesses into the ground.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Why are all the Republicans crawling all over South Carolina for 24 delegates while virtually ignoring Nevada and its 34 delegates?

Is this because they all want to get a headstart in the south?

Spoiler

A "southern strategy" as it were?

South Carolina's delegates are secured and locked after the primary, Nevada's are not.

 

[speculawyer]

How long can Ron Paul stay in the race?

There is actually a (remote) possibility of him winning Nevada.

 

[Rur0ni]

Woo Biden! ;(

 

[APF]

:lol

He certainly does . . . he has run many businesses into the ground.

Perhaps, but I was speaking of his term as Governor of Texas, and his terms as President of the United States.

 

[thekad]

Perhaps, but I was speaking of his term as Governor of Texas, and his terms as President of the United States.

That doesn't help.

 

[APF]

That doesn't help.

Doesn't help what?

 

[timmy]

Perhaps, but I was speaking of his term as Governor of Texas, and his terms as President of the United States.

Yeah, he ran those into the ground too.

 

[Seth C]

Whoa dude, switch to decaf.

And the whole superdelegate thing seems to disenfranchise voters, especially in a close race like this. Basically if the party splits 50/50 or even 45/55, it looks like they have the power to decide things instead.

Actually, even if the vote was split 37/63 the superdelegates could theoretically swing the vote in favor of the other candidate. Yes, it's lame.

 

[cordonbleu]

Obama would never be elected President.

I'm Praying that he will fade away and Edwards or Hillary get the nomination.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Can we get this stickied. I would think this would be AT LEAST as interesting as some of the sports threads.

 

[typhonsentra]

Come on Rudy, you can beat Hunter! :lol

 

[worldrunover]

South Carolina's delegates are secured and locked after the primary, Nevada's are not.

I'm confused what you mean by "locked" delegates.. Nevada's could potentially be taken away?

 

[grandjedi6]

I'm confused what you mean by "locked" delegates.. Nevada's could potentially be taken away?

Nevada is a caucus instead of a primary. Primaries traditionanly elected delegates that vote the way either the precincts or state voted for. However Caucus' are entirely different. Usually, none of the delegates are tied to the statewide vote. So when the state holds their state convention to choose delegates they could choose delegates completely opposite of what the voters wanted.

Anyway, Republicans aren't ignoring Nevada. Romney is actually skipping SC to instead focus on South Carolina. The reason McCain and Huckabee are focusing on SC is that they feel they have a better chance of winning there. Also SC use to have 47 delegates before being punished and thus is traditionally viewed as a momentum creator

 

[grandjedi6]

Democratic and Republican Nevada, along with Republican South Carolina are done! Which means its time for an update.

Biggest Change? Hunter is out, McCain bumps up to 2nd place.

Can we get this stickied. I would think this would be AT LEAST as interesting as some of the sports threads.

Oh, a sticky would be much appreciated. Then the thread wouldn't keep dropping to page 10.

 

[grandjedi6]

Update: A couple of Superdelegates move around, but its nothing major. The big thing is that Fred dropped. Now Giuliani is 5th instead of 7th :lol

 

[worldrunover]

I'm eagerly awaiting the new tally at the end of the day.

BTW Kucinich dropped out

 

[jamesinclair]

Hawaii Caucus [Republicans only] (Republicans -- 20 delegates)
-- Please Note: There is no formal system to relate the presidential preference to the choice of the precinct's delegates. Thus there will be no declared or estimated delegates assigned to the candidates



What?


Also, where are Richardsons delegates going? Does he order them somewhere, or are they free to endorse whoever they want?

 

[grandjedi6]

I'm eagerly awaiting the new tally at the end of the day.

BTW Kucinich dropped out

Ah yes, I just updated that. Thanks.

I'll update the delegate and superdelegate tallies later tonight after the primary.

Hawaii Caucus [Republicans only] (Republicans -- 20 delegates)
-- Please Note: There is no formal system to relate the presidential preference to the choice of the precinct's delegates. Thus there will be no declared or estimated delegates assigned to the candidates

What?

"Republicans will not hold a presidential preference poll that would give a clue about which candidate they are leaning toward at their caucuses ... Instead, the Republican caucuses will be used to elect delegates to the state convention in May. Only then will Hawaii's choice for president emerge"

Also, where are Richardsons delegates going? Does he order them somewhere, or are they free to endorse whoever they want?

Most of Richardson's superdelegates have been split between Obama and Hillary. Also, Hillary seems to have gotten the majority of Richardson's voter base

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Is this puppy updated? And is it sad that I come to GAF to get my political updates?

Edit

Never mind I see that grandjedi6 is working this.

Hey grandjedi6 thanks for making this thread, I know it helps for me at least.

 

[grandjedi6]

Is this puppy updated? And is it sad that I come to GAF to get my political updates?

Edit

Never mind I see that grandjedi6 is working this.

Hey grandjedi6 thanks for making this thread, I know it helps for me at least.

You're welcome!



Update: The South Carolina Primary is done!

-- Obama gained 25 delegates, Hillary 12 delegates and Edwards 8 delegates
-- Also, in the last week, Obama has gained 3 superdelegates, Hillary 8 superdelegates and Edwards 1 superdelegate
-- I added in the Super Tuesday states. It boggles my mind how GAF is going to go through that. Multiple threads? Mega thread?

 

[Green Shinobi]

FUCK the Superdelegates. They should not exist. Period.

 

[Wes]

It boggles my mind how GAF is going to go through that. Multiple threads? Mega thread?

New subforum. Believe :lol

 

[kame-sennin]

 

[grandjedi6]

Pre-Florida Primary Update:

-added a few superdelegates
-updated the Republican listing, nothing really happened
-added the Democrats Abroad Primary, thus finishing up the Super Tuesday primary/caucuses (even though the DA primary doesn't really count yet)

 

[GaimeGuy]

The superdelegate system is dumb, if yo uask me :/

 

[Tom_Cody]

That made me laugh. Galaxy Quest FTW.

 

[worldrunover]

The superdelegate system is dumb, if yo uask me :/

It takes power out of the voters and into the National Comittee. I guess they don't trust us enough to make the right call...

 

[Limedust]

Do all of the candidates get a copy of the home game?

This is what happens when too many of those "extra rule" cards get filled out and placed in the deck.

 

[Tamanon]

It takes power out of the voters and into the National Comittee. I guess they don't trust us enough to make the right call...

You're right they don't. That's exactly why Superdelegates were created, because the people chose what the committee thought was an untenable candidate. They didn't want that to happen again. It's sad, really.

 

[grandjedi6]

You're right they don't. That's exactly why Superdelegates were created, because the people chose what the committee thought was an untenable candidate. They didn't want that to happen again. It's sad, really.

Which is funny since the DNC doesn't really have control over the superdelegates either anymore

 

[Cheebs]

FUCK the Superdelegates. They should not exist. Period.

It's was created as a check, a veto if you will. So that if "the people" pick a nominee the party heads deem un-electable or does not match the party's political philosophy they can more or less over-turn it.

In the end its to keep the party from a mob mentality and have be able to be guided to the party wishes.

And that is a big obstacle for Obama. Because party insiders (I am not talking about elected officials like senators, but the office people who control the party organization behind the scenes) don't trust Obama, they don't know what he will do and don't feel safe with him leading the party.

 

[Seth C]

It's was created as a check, a veto if you will. So that if "the people" pick a nominee the party heads deem un-electable or does not match the party's political philosophy they can more or less over-turn it.

In the end its to keep the party from a mob mentality and have be able to be guided to the party wishes.

And that is a big obstacle for Obama. Because party insiders (I am not talking about elected officials like senators, but the office people who control the party organization behind the scenes) don't trust Obama, they don't know what he will do and don't feel safe with him leading the party.

To me, this is just pathetic. "The people" should BE the party. Also, when you have superdelegates announcing their support BEFORE the people vote, it leads to a mob mentality, rather than keeping from one. For example, Hillary is in the lead right now but that is only due to superdelegates. If all of them cast their "vote" early, it would look like she had a massive lead, causing people to side with the winner.

 

[grandjedi6]

To me, this is just pathetic. "The people" should BE the party. Also, when you have superdelegates announcing their support BEFORE the people vote, it leads to a mob mentality, rather than keeping from one. For example, Hillary is in the lead right now but that is only due to superdelegates. If all of them cast their "vote" early, it would look like she had a massive lead, causing people to side with the winner.

and hence why the establishment candidate always wins

 

[RiZ III]

So Hillary is actually ahead? Confused total.

 

[White Man]

So Hillary is actually ahead? Confused total.

Sorta basically, though superdelegates can shift. It's shady as fuck, and it's the sort of thing that made me stop paying attention to US politics. It's as much aristocracy as it is democracy.

Also, I will sticky this a few days before super Tuesday. Having too many stickies is frowned upon.

 

[ghostmind]

Yes - one more day until Rudy goes away...

 

[Snaku]

:lol @ OP's Rudy pic. Sums up his candidacy in a nut shell.

 

[grandjedi6]

Sorta basically, though superdelegates can shift. It's shady as fuck, and it's the sort of thing that made me stop paying attention to US politics. It's as much aristocracy as it is democracy.

Also, I will sticky this a few days before super Tuesday. Having too many stickies is frowned upon.

Yeah, its as stupid as the electoral college. However, superdelegates are only a little worse than the Republican Party's non proportional primaries. In Illinois we have a loophole primary, where basically you vote for the presidents in a "beauty contest" and the delegate seperately. However the delegates don't have to listen to the Presidential preference, instead they can and have done whatever they wanted :/

 

[GaimeGuy]

So Hillary is actually ahead? Confused total.

Based on delegates won through the US populace voting in caucuses and primaries, Obama is the democratic frontrunner, followed by Hilary, followed by Edwards.

If you include superdelegates, Hilary is ahead, followed by Obama, followed by Edwards.

Note that no superdelegates have actually been assigned to a particular candidate yet. Every superdelegate that is currently included in delegate totals is a superdelegate belonging to a particular individual who has openly endorsed a particular candidate.

IE: If Al Gore came out today and said "I endorse Barack Obama for President of the United States," then Al Gore's superdelegate would be added to Barack Obama's total as it is reported on, say, cnn. However, Al Gore can change his endorsement (And thus, who receives his superdelegate) any time he wants, and as many times as he wants, before the Democratic National Convention. Only then do the superdelegates become bound to a specific candidate

Up until then, the superdelegates are really just non-binding pledges given to specific candidates.

 

[Formless]

I wish Gravel was more known

 

[White Man]

Yeah, its as stupid as the electoral college. However, superdelegates are only a little worse than the Republican Party's non proportional primaries. In Illinois we have a loophole primary, where basically you vote for the presidents in a "beauty contest" and the delegate seperately. However the delegates don't have to listen to the Presidential preference, instead they can and have done whatever they wanted :/

Oh yeah, I didn't mean to imply that it's only the Democrat's system that is stupid. There's such idiocy everywhere, right up to the electoral college.

I've said it before people: democracy doesn't work!

I don't think about it often because it just makes me angry. The system is so broken at so many levels that the only way it even has a chance to get "fixed" is for everything to be taken apart first, and there will never be an opportunity for that. The government won't fix itself by its own accord, and violent revolution is now impossible for America. America is stuck in a nasty-ass rut.

 

[grandjedi6]

Post-Florida Update:

--Hillary gains 2 superdelegates, Obama gains 6 and Edwards gains 1
--McCain gains 57 delegates from Florida, McCain is now in the lead!

 

[Hootie]

--Hillary gains 2 superdelegates, Obama gains 6 and Edwards gains 1

Whoa, so technically this was actually a win for Obama considering regular delegates didn't count?