Lol no, i played both Skyrim and Zelda SS, and Skyrim have much more content and have a much bigger world. There is plenty of "HD" games who have the same length and content (or even more) than Zelda SS.
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5th Cell CEO (GAF's own Jackson): Wii U is "definitely more powerful than PS3 & 360"
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Lol no, i played both Skyrim and Zelda SS, and Skyrim have much more content and have a much bigger world. There is plenty of "HD" games who have the same length and content (or even more) than Zelda SS.
Vane_MagicCity
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What extra content, sounds interesting. I thought it was the same game with improved graphics. Anyway, back on topic:
Are you saying that the improved graphics don't matter?
It's simple. Imagine you took a game like Mario Galaxy and had a version for each "next gen" console from now out to 20 years. Every iteration that improves upon the graphically quality will be less meaningful.
At some point, the game will be "good enough" for any set of people. Diminishing returns and all that.
Stealth20k
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In that case I wouldnt care which I played because to me content is king. Lets say the dolphin version had 10 more stars or something, then yea it would be better to me.
But lets also say that I didnt have access to the highest end dolphin, then to me, the wii version would be the best.
All I am saying is graphics arent the only factor in how people perceive which game is better.
It is a factor, it just isnt the only one
Diminishing returns. There is a cutoff to which a person will say, the next iteration isn't necessary for enhancing the experience for that person.
I don't care if Mario Galaxy looks like it does on the Wii or if it looked like Avatar, personally.
Holy Order Sol
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MWS Natural
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My exact thoughts. WiiU is a next gen console why is it even being compared to this gen??
Stealth20k
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Boss rush mode, they changed hero mode so not only does damage double but its also mirrored, wjich makes it ridiculously hard, they added a different more useful item ( since the original rumble item would of become useless).
And not sure if this is a "graphical" upgrade, but they redesigned alot of areas with just more stuff in them to make it cooler.......
Thunder Monkey
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Morrowind was.
Just uglier.
This is another point.
There comes a point where making sure each individual prop in the environment is of the same fidelity as those of importance becomes a hindrance. This often causes development hurdles over gamer expectations.
Skyrim is much smaller than Morrowind because it takes a much longer time to make those individual pieces for the environment.
Part of the reason I think asset quality is good enough as is.
Now just work on improving lighting, shadowing, precision of effects. Instead of worrying about 2056x2056 teeth or anything that excessive.
Yes it is Cit, I know it's going to be a clusterfuck but I CAN'T HELP IT!!! like moths to a flame. Then I wind up hating everyone on both sides, type up a long winded response, realize it'll probably get me banned for being aggressive again and I just mutter to myself as I close the browser. Like clockwork.
Same time tomorrow?
Vane_MagicCity
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If it did look like Avatar (say a WiiU remake), which version would you consider superior?
Thunder Monkey
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Arguing against technical proficiency is the wrong course of action.
Arguing that limitations to hardware power or development budgets are necessary is not.
Arguing that limitations to hardware power or development budgets are necessary is not.
Vane_MagicCity
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Never noticed any of that, just noticed it looks alot better than the N64 version.
Definitively the Avatar version, without knowing anything more. Cos we all know graphics are the most important thing about video games, right gang?
Vane_MagicCity
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Because no one has any idea what PS4 and Xbox 8 are going to have under the hood?
SniperHunter
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For some genres they are...I would take an avatar version of Crysis any day of the week!! But mario is mario, the series was never about graphics or immersion....
A Wii U remake would not make it look like avatar. You are asking questions without providing realistic references.
If it took 20 years to bring a Nintendo console capable of making Mario Galaxy look like avatar, then it would not be worth it to me to wait around when I can play it on the Wii. Currently, on the Wii, it runs at 60fps and it's enough for a person to send Mario down a pipe.
Honestly, improving hardware to provide HD textures is one thing. But to improve it to create super realistic facial hair and water is not important to me, nor is it important to the average gamer not present on this forum. A bunch of people don't even hook their Xbox's up properly. You could say that better hardware can improve the AI, but the AI in computer games are not any better then PS360.
You keep trying to push this idea that more is better, than you don't realize that every iteration of more brings diminishing returns - returns that most people don't care about. If we could measure a 60 hour play through of a game in terms of "joy" and "happiness," improved hardware would not be as impactful as you think.
flyinpiranha
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I would rather have a 1080p, 60FPS HD Zelda Skyward Sword, yes. Is that even a question or are you being a smartass saying you'd rather play it on an SDTV in 480p?
Stealth20k
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You see? there is more too it.
Dont get me wrong, graphical upgrades are cool. But if there are gameplay upgrades, thats how I can really tell, the "better" version
Example, the ps3 and vita versions of disgaea 3 have identical graphics more or less (maybe the ps3 is a little better)
Which version is better?
The vita version without any doubt, it just has double the content, and alot of improvements/additions to the core game ( features)
Vane_MagicCity
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All else being equal, better graphics would be superior. Is that really so hard to understand?
If SMG played exactly the same on WiiU but got a graphical upgrade, it would be the superior version of the game.
Holy Order Sol
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i'd rather play it as an oral tradition or even as various grunts and moans
Stop acting like an idiot, if you have the choice between the original Mario Galaxy in 480p with aliasing all over the place, and a remake with 4x AA, 1080p and better textures and both versions are played with the Wiimote, have the exact same maps and content...
Don't tell me that you will buy the original version, you're just lying.
Stealth20k
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how do you know that? You think they can afford that? I don't. I mean it didnt stop the wii from getting DQ X which is all I want to play.
If you think the difference between wii and ps3
will be just as big as wii u ps4
not sure what to say to you
Because we totally know that.....
Vane_MagicCity
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You completely missed the point.
The only idea I am pushing here is that "All else being equal, better graphics would be superior".
shinobi602
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Lol what's with the title?
It literally depends on the cost.
Stealth20k
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Which version is cheaper? Which version is more readily available? Which version plays better ( doesnt chug)?
I will say it again, graphics are just 1 piece.
Not the most important but it's nice to have good graphics since I generally have to look at games to play them. As a huge Nintendo fan I'd LOVE a Mario title with graphics that could rival CG. damn, that would be awesome.
Having said that, I don't really worry as much anymore. As a long time fan I'd like to see their games showcased in the best possible way graphically but I also accept that Nintendo does whatever it wants. I'll once again own all 4 home platforms so I'll get my graphics fix elsewhere but a part of me will always wish it was Nintendo.
Projectjustice
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Wii U hardware is much better than current gen. Those games shown at E3 was all on unfinished hardware and dev kits. There are a lot of unannounced games that are being produce behind the scene as we speak.
wow. you win.
too bad for me, I live in reality and nothing is equal. you want a black/white answer about magic genies granting you a wish for Avatar style mario games. you win.
all else being equal, a hotter wife would be superior.
Is this a serious question?
Stealth20k
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Yeah but the wii U has that controller, which lets say graphics are worse, could provide gameplay edges unforseen
so we dont know which versions of games will be the best anyway.
Seems like a silly argument
Dude, he has a magic genie that grants him any game in any resolution with any hardware he desires. he always picks the best resolution and hardware because he is smart.
So zelda wii u will either look like shit or be a 8 hour game?
Well time to say goodbye to that tech demo :/
Yeah, all things being equal, something better is better. As humans that's kind of how our brain works. i don't see why that's a bad thing.
Vane_MagicCity
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Are you trying be obtuse here?
Sho_Nuff82
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Absolutely worthless if none of the games ever show it.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Obviously you didn't see the Nintendoland fireworks at the end of their E3 conference.
SniperHunter
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I agree. Pikimin already looks great, who would want to play Pikmin 2 after playing Pikimin 3?
Their fans need to see the light.
Holy Order Sol
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qué le fuck
DimmuBurgerKing
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...okay?
When, and if, a remake is released, you can be sure that the original game won't be as readily available as the remake with dozens of copies shining in the entrance of your local video game store. And when you have a big HDTV, you do not want to play a game with aliasing and 480p when you have the option to play the same thing in higher resolution and AA, even if you have to pay a little more for it.
Anyway, i dont expect a Mario Galaxy remake to be made on Wii U, but maybe on its successor, so who knows what kind of other improvements is going to be made until then (whether its with the HDTVs or the new console itself) to make the original version even more obsolete on a new 2018 TV and console.