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60 Days later: VR owners was it worth it?
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iceatcs
Junior Member
PSVR demo uses standard lens like DK1/DK2.
I think I'm subpixel believer. I have Riftup just set it on (1080p mod on DK1) and it has quite less SDE notice than my CV1.
I feel that netting SDE is much better to trade off than pentile SD because thinner SDE.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I do not own and VR device, but my initial observation of fear was to me most of the games looked shallow or too simplistic and the novelty would wear off fast. I think the technology looks really cool, but I don't know, the games just don't really seem to justify the very high price of admission.
There are a few "full" games that do justify it right now. More are coming. But this isn't just a gaming device.
The Sony Xperia Z5's pixel density is 802ppi.
I have a Rift DK2, because I wasn't going to drop all that money without having tried something.
The "oh my god" moments have been enough to convince me that the technology is viable and to keep me looking forward, but there hasn't been enough staying power to convince me that I want to drop a ton of money RIGHT NOW. I recognize that I'm not using the latest and greatest hardware, but overall it's convinced me to wait until the technology improves a little bit and the price comes down a LOT.
Standing on stage with Jimmy Fallon at the Tonight Show was really cool, though.
The "oh my god" moments have been enough to convince me that the technology is viable and to keep me looking forward, but there hasn't been enough staying power to convince me that I want to drop a ton of money RIGHT NOW. I recognize that I'm not using the latest and greatest hardware, but overall it's convinced me to wait until the technology improves a little bit and the price comes down a LOT.
Standing on stage with Jimmy Fallon at the Tonight Show was really cool, though.
The Elite
BOSS
I'm in love. Yeah, I am glad I spent the money on my Rift. No regrets. VR has a future.
I think I am just as excited about the social experiences and non-gaming applications as I am about the potential for gaming. I really like the concept of software like Altspace VR that can bring people together. VR can take you places you wouldn't normally have access too. It can put you on the 50 yard line at the Super Bowl.
I think I am just as excited about the social experiences and non-gaming applications as I am about the potential for gaming. I really like the concept of software like Altspace VR that can bring people together. VR can take you places you wouldn't normally have access too. It can put you on the 50 yard line at the Super Bowl.
I'm pretty happy with my Vive purchase. Of the games I've played, Budget Cuts and Job Simulator have been my favorite. I also enjoy using Virtual Desktop to watch movies in empty theaters.
Buying a VR headset right now is like buying a console on day 1. There's not many games to play, but you're betting they will eventually come in the near future. It's premature to sell your headset if you already got one, unless you really didn't enjoy the experience. If you don't have one yet, it probably is a good idea to wait until there's a specific game you want to play is released.
The headsets have non-gaming applications you can also use (e.g. Virtual Desktop to watch movies), but you can also use a cheaper google cardboard to get a taste of VR.
Buying a VR headset right now is like buying a console on day 1. There's not many games to play, but you're betting they will eventually come in the near future. It's premature to sell your headset if you already got one, unless you really didn't enjoy the experience. If you don't have one yet, it probably is a good idea to wait until there's a specific game you want to play is released.
The headsets have non-gaming applications you can also use (e.g. Virtual Desktop to watch movies), but you can also use a cheaper google cardboard to get a taste of VR.
Wrestlemania
Banned
I wouldn't say it's quite like buying a new console. For one, it's more than double the price for a Vive than a launch PS4. It's also an area of tech that will develop very quickly, and it's likely that new headsets which will be significantly better than the current ones will be out relatively soon. I know we're about to enter a new generation of consoles where spec upgrades mid-cycle will be a thing, but as a launch PS4 buyer you've still have three years of life from a £349/$399 purchase. I doubt we'll have to wait even 18 months before there's a significantly better VR headset than the first versions of Vive and Rift on the market, let alone three years.
That's why I sold my Vive - I'm really excited by the tech, but I think the release of games/applications is going to be too slow through to the next models to warrant having spent that much money on the first version.
Megalosaro
Banned
I'm going to buy vr. I really want the rift, but my roommate is advising that the vive may be better.
To the people who have both, what do you like more.
To the people who have both, what do you like more.
Wrestlemania
Banned
I've owned both and I like the Vive better by a huge margin.
Yeah. The main gripe is very simply that there's not enough content.
But that's kinda a good sign for the platform as a whole. If you're starved for content, it simply means that you like the system and want more out of it.
Even so, there is a reasonable amount of interesting content and experiences. And more to the point, I just wish all the games were in VR. I'm absolutely spending more time in VR than with normal games, and I find standard gaming quite lacklustre by comparison.
The only thing I've played in standard gaming is Doom since I got VR. Even Dark Souls 3 has kinda just sat unplayed except for the intro level.
With that said... in the matchup against the Rift and Vive, the Vive destroys the Rift as an experience. I like the Rift, I like their focus on engineering. But the current lack of motion controls, and focus on seated and standing experiences simply means that the Rift is handcuffed in this fight. I suspect once the touch controllers land and it's made compatible with existing SteamVR, I'll migrate over to the Rift headset due to its superior design.
It's just fun experiencing a new way of gaming with the Vive. I've been trying out a game called 'Out of Ammo' in the last couple days. A tower defense style game with first person possession mechanics and Minecraft style graphics. It's stunningly fun standing on towers and sniping at enemy soldiers, then using 'realistic' reload mechanics (as in you actually have to unbolt, insert bullets, then rebolt for sniper rifles - feels fantastic once you get used to it - so so tactile).
I mean... if you jump in now... there's absolutely going to be stretches of time where it goes underused. But at the same time, it's a lot of fun to be on the bleeding edge of these experiences - witnessing this thing building up first hand.
But that's kinda a good sign for the platform as a whole. If you're starved for content, it simply means that you like the system and want more out of it.
Even so, there is a reasonable amount of interesting content and experiences. And more to the point, I just wish all the games were in VR. I'm absolutely spending more time in VR than with normal games, and I find standard gaming quite lacklustre by comparison.
The only thing I've played in standard gaming is Doom since I got VR. Even Dark Souls 3 has kinda just sat unplayed except for the intro level.
With that said... in the matchup against the Rift and Vive, the Vive destroys the Rift as an experience. I like the Rift, I like their focus on engineering. But the current lack of motion controls, and focus on seated and standing experiences simply means that the Rift is handcuffed in this fight. I suspect once the touch controllers land and it's made compatible with existing SteamVR, I'll migrate over to the Rift headset due to its superior design.
It's just fun experiencing a new way of gaming with the Vive. I've been trying out a game called 'Out of Ammo' in the last couple days. A tower defense style game with first person possession mechanics and Minecraft style graphics. It's stunningly fun standing on towers and sniping at enemy soldiers, then using 'realistic' reload mechanics (as in you actually have to unbolt, insert bullets, then rebolt for sniper rifles - feels fantastic once you get used to it - so so tactile).
I mean... if you jump in now... there's absolutely going to be stretches of time where it goes underused. But at the same time, it's a lot of fun to be on the bleeding edge of these experiences - witnessing this thing building up first hand.
KatamariOnTheRocks
Member
Because so many people actively hope that it will fail that they try to take any angle they possibly can to try to put it in a bad light despite there being several years of positive reactions coming from the people that have actually experienced it.
Wowfunhappy
Member
That depends on the IMAX screen. The one at the Liberty Science Center actually fills my entire field of view.
artsi
Member
I just wanted to play it safe and sold it while it was still worth money, as I don't have much use for it right now.
I already got to experience all there is available right now, and I didn't want to have 1000€ attached to a device that may or may not have more use during the next year.
If the software lineup gets better I can go to a retailer and buy another one starting from next month.
With console launches it's guaranteed there are big games coming and a generation lasts for a long time, and consoles are much cheaper anyway, so I don't think those are comparable.
That's because there are REAL IMAX screens and then fake ones advertised as IMAX because of these stupid requirements that need to be met to call yourself IMAX.
I might still be in the honeymoon phase but I still really dig my Vive. I'm not too concerned about a lack of software since workarounds are still doable to play the Rift games on it. I also have a Wii-U which is the reigning champ of no software, but was still happy with what I got.
I also can't really see them increasing screen resolution any time soon. The Vive requires top of the line cards just for the current resolution, and I imagine a few more card cycles will have to pass before 4k is a possibility, let alone the standard.
I also can't really see them increasing screen resolution any time soon. The Vive requires top of the line cards just for the current resolution, and I imagine a few more card cycles will have to pass before 4k is a possibility, let alone the standard.
Wrestlemania
Banned
Have you tried a Vive yet?
Nah. Just watched a lot of footage. Just hoping that when I take the leap, the games are up to snuff.
The Elite
BOSS
It's different. You're not waving at a screen, you're interacting with a world that surrounds you. By function you need a control mechanism that can act as your hands. I say that as a Rift owner who doesn't mind using an Xbox controller. There is room for both control styles but the default should be some form of Touch 3D control.
alexbull_uk
Member
Still love my Vive. Just waiting on more content now.
Portal Stories released recently and I haven't had much time to play yet, so that's next on my list and I'm pretty excited to get stuck in.
Also eagerly anticipating Budget Cuts. The demo is amazing and anyone with a Vive that hasn't tried it is missing out.
Portal Stories released recently and I haven't had much time to play yet, so that's next on my list and I'm pretty excited to get stuck in.
Also eagerly anticipating Budget Cuts. The demo is amazing and anyone with a Vive that hasn't tried it is missing out.
MiamiWesker
Member
Right now its not some earth changing experience, you don't exactly feel like you are in another world, at least not without touch. But the way games look and feel inside a VR set is so immersive. Its starting to become harder and harder to go back to boring old TV.
Wrestlemania
Banned
There's a lot of room for improvement with the Vive beyond just increasing the screen resolution. The design of the headset needs an overhaul to make it more comfortable, and to increase the sweet spot on the lens. The controllers could also do with a better design.
alexbull_uk
Member
What would you like to see change on the controllers? I've been really happy with them.
Definitely agree on sweet-spot though. When you get it right, the experience is fantastic - but it's too easy to drop out of position.
OldGangWarily
Member
A lot of the software is throwaway but the few standouts have made me really like VR. Lucky's Tale, Budget Cuts demo, Audioshield and Out of Ammo to name a few.
Wrestlemania
Banned
I think they're too big and not particularly ergonomic. Also, and this one is probably a bit contentious, I wish it had at least one stick. I've had no sickness problems with games which use normal movement and it opens up a lot of game types when they don't have to design around newer and sometimes more restrictive methods like teleportation, but that's never going to work well with the Vive controllers because they don't have any sticks. I really like the touchpad, but I don't think it needed two of them.
What the hell does this even mean..
"Wii games with an additional headset"? "by using the controller"? "Intricate games"? I don't get it..
Wrestlemania
Banned
You can only do "real" games on a pad, motion control is for mini-games etc.
MooMilk2929
Junior Member
PC lends itself well to small games. If you wanted more in depth games should have waited for PS VR. Console games are usually long. That Rift might get some unique software down the line tho. Cause you can get homebew on PC. The PS4 homebrew will have to be approved by Sony so there may be censorship and probably no porn games.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
do alot of people in here use vorpx with their headset?
The Rift has some games like this. Lucky's Tale, Chronos, Blaze Rush, the upcoming Edge of Nowhere next week. Games like Lucky's Tale, Blaze Rush and Edge of Nowhere are pretty normal third-person style games; the camera has a relative position to your character as it follows, and you otherwise use your head to look around. Chronos uses static camera locations per room (like older Resident Evil games) that you look around from.
Sounds like my experience with it to be honest
This is the most impressed I've ever been as an early adopter of new tech in my life
Yes - it's generation 1
Yes - it has limitations, and improvements are needed for it to really break main stream
BUT - speaking as a 41 yr old gamer who grew up with early Atari and spectrum, and followed every generation of console and PC through to the VIVE and Oculus launch
No question from me or anyone I've demoed it to (mostly non gamers) this is a whole new level
Excited by what extended development time and resources will accomplish as studios get their heads round it
Ooo now this sort of thing I'm more interested in. Adding enhancements to already established playstyles, rather than coming in as a 'this is a vr game, it needs these kinds of controls' viewpoint.
I don't think people have higher expectations. People want a game that is on par with what we have currently on consoles.
I've had limited amount of time with someone else's Vive, but shooting a bow feels fantastic. But all the experiences are just shooting ranges. The inability to move around freely is in my opinion vr's biggest obstacle. It is the reason why so many games are like mini games.
Another contributing factor is this is the first major hardware launch since small games have been so easy to create. A lot of the games we see are rushed out onto the platform and really sour people's perception of what vr is capable of.
You can only do the same old games on a gamepad, it's too limited for the new kinds of controls full 1:1 VR games leverage. Not that I don't like both. The "real" games/gamers meme is just annoying.
I don't know, I find playing with a gamepad in VR not as pleasant as playing with the motion controllers. Like I'm missing my hands.
I was wondering today if this might be a bit alleviated on PSVR because the controller is tracked? Steam needs to release an updated Steam controller that can be tracked in VR.
I was wondering today if this might be a bit alleviated on PSVR because the controller is tracked? Steam needs to release an updated Steam controller that can be tracked in VR.