Spiritwalker
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I'm still getting it, but the presentation definitely left a bad taste in my mouth. So many bad, anti-consumer decisions by Nintendo. Ugh.
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After the Nintendo Switch Launch I feel like I'm coming out of Denial
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Vampirolol
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I've read probably three people saying something like that in years of forums/social media, yet I've read thousands of people reminding Nintendo fans this thing.
All of this is still true. The only thing that changed is its a bit more expensive than you thought, and the third party support so far has probably been less than you hoped for. If these are dealbreakers, don't get it. The hate train has been ridiculous, you should snap out of that denial.
except for online subscription, Nintendo should retract that turd
Yep. This is true. OP, don't let this forum negativity drain you, man. You were hyped for something that is still what you want. Get it and enjoy it with your kids, I'm sure they'll be happy...and so will you.
Hell, even if you don't have a Wii U you might be better off buying one after the Switch launches. So many people trading theirs in, the price is going to drop out. The Wii U has a great library of games that it spent 4 years slowly building. Experience it all right now, for cheap, while you wait for the Switch to build a library of its own.
That goes double if you skipped the Wii, too.
Yeah, OP, just go spend the money as soon as possible so you can feel the full brunt of that buyer's remorse with each game that gets delayed!
Us Wii U owners know such horrors.
cordonbleu
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I agree with many of your thoughts, 32GB Storage and the inability of Nintendo to streamline its international releases astounds me being my personal gripes (present here with Zelda Special Edition Differences per region).
Ive long understood Nintendos desire to only showcase software releasing in the near term, but I now believe that this is certainly failing to convey competence in any ability to provide long term platform support to consumers.
Nintendo is releasing the Switch having announced just SEVEN Nintendo made retail games, the majority of which will be released by August.
March Zelda
March 1 2 Switch
April Mario Kart
May-June Arms
June - August Splatoon 2
Later in year Mario
Later in year Xenoblade 2
E3 and no doubt a few Digital Presentations before and after launch will flesh out the releases, but on a casual glance right now, the Switch looks to be on life support!
Ive long understood Nintendos desire to only showcase software releasing in the near term, but I now believe that this is certainly failing to convey competence in any ability to provide long term platform support to consumers.
Nintendo is releasing the Switch having announced just SEVEN Nintendo made retail games, the majority of which will be released by August.
March Zelda
March 1 2 Switch
April Mario Kart
May-June Arms
June - August Splatoon 2
Later in year Mario
Later in year Xenoblade 2
E3 and no doubt a few Digital Presentations before and after launch will flesh out the releases, but on a casual glance right now, the Switch looks to be on life support!
What if you want all the cool free games they'll give you for the second Ambassador program?
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Your ambassador program will be free online until fall and you will like it or else.
Lego City Undercover came out a few months after launch..which remains to this day one my favourite Wii U games.
Still NSMBU,Nintendoland and Zombiu at launch is a more attractive line-up to me than the Switch launch. I mean there's Zelda which I can get on Wii U anyway...and that's it.
I think Switch will be a big success in Japan and potentially become home to a lot of interesting Japanese exclusives, and being region free will mean these are easy imports.
That's particularly interesting to me, along with Nintendo first party. But the handheld side really isn't so much, otherwise I would have bought a Vita.
What surprises me the most is that this is supposed to be a full hybrid, so we should have seen the largest lineup ever - essentially the combined lineup for what would have been 4DS and Wii 3. I thought we'd have seen a new Layton and games like that too.
So I'm not cancelling my preorder just yet, and I'm really excited about Zelda regardless of everything else.
That's particularly interesting to me, along with Nintendo first party. But the handheld side really isn't so much, otherwise I would have bought a Vita.
What surprises me the most is that this is supposed to be a full hybrid, so we should have seen the largest lineup ever - essentially the combined lineup for what would have been 4DS and Wii 3. I thought we'd have seen a new Layton and games like that too.
So I'm not cancelling my preorder just yet, and I'm really excited about Zelda regardless of everything else.
DrunkShogun
Member
I had it preordered but realised I've got a game already coming out in early march and another in early April so don't need t jump in for the time being. A good price or bundle deal might entice me later on but no need to rush the purchase.
What? There's no point in bullying the guy into not doing something he feels like he wants to do. What he was hyped about the NS is still true. He can do all of those things with it and that won't change. I purchased a Wii U at launch and have no regrets, but then I alway buy things that I know I'll want...whether now or in the future. I'm confident in what I like and so I don't need any validation.
If the OP is really not sure, then he can cancel and move on with his life, but the things he listed as being hyped about are true and there's no reason to not still be hyped.
My stance exactly.
Undercover was a spring 2013 title though, it came around the same time as MH3U iirc. Opinions and all, but I definitely disagree on the appeal of the WiiU launch lineup, although it actually had some 3rd party support if you were looking for that.
After having the time to digest the bad news yesterday, seeing the gameplay footage of Mario, I know I will own one before the end of the year. Guaranteed. Impossible for me to miss this and yes, it's worth 300 for me. (Splatoon 2 and Arms look very good too).
That said, buying day 1 is really too risky this time, there's no guarantee Nintendo won't release a true handheld version and I will be fucked. I need to see support well into 2018 so I'll wait till E3 at the earliest. A price drop will probably come soon too IMO, this is a 3DS situation.
That said, buying day 1 is really too risky this time, there's no guarantee Nintendo won't release a true handheld version and I will be fucked. I need to see support well into 2018 so I'll wait till E3 at the earliest. A price drop will probably come soon too IMO, this is a 3DS situation.
Who's bullying?
I'm just trying to be practical.
This forum has a cycle of hype-fueled enablement followed by deepest, darkest dispair.
What I had really hoped was that Nintendo was going to make some progress in the online infrastructure. Like why doesn´t the subscription include access to the entire VC NES/SNES library. So that when I'm taking the switch to family/friends we can pick out a few games and play them together. Like the thing is tailor made for it and the file sizes allow for some quick downloads.
Instead we're getting an infrastructure that's seemingly worse then what we have on the WiiU. That apparently requires the user to have a smart device to properly function.
Instead we're getting an infrastructure that's seemingly worse then what we have on the WiiU. That apparently requires the user to have a smart device to properly function.
DrunkShogun
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I'm in the exact predicament as yourself. Want to play zelda as it's a special series to me but haven't got a wii u but it's on an individual basis. I'm willing to wait until there's a second first party game I like. Think smart, if it's too expensive to cause problems, then give it a miss.
Holundrian
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Don't cancel TC someone has to fund the Switch hardware revision. My hopes are on all the Nintendo hardcores coming through that will buy anything at premium.
I think there are multiple factors here why people are so negative about this thing.
- Leakers lead them to believe other things.
I'm sorry, but that one is on you. If you believed random people on the Internet to the degree of adjusting your expectations I don't know what to tell you.
- Nintendo wants to make money with every purchase.
That's just what Nintendo does. Nintendo isn't Microsoft.
- The Joy-Con make EVERYTHING expensive.
Those controllers are marvellous achievements in both design and functionality. Their development must have been expeeeeeeensive. And yet you get two of them included. That means Nintendo is losing one somewhat sure controller sale. And they want to compensate that by making everything expensive. Even if I don't need a second dock, a dock being $90 makes everything seem bad.
- Nintendo dropped the ball with Wii U's gimmick.
The Joy-Con being so full of tech is not a bad thing, IF Nintendo will use those features. But we've heard that song before and what happened? A Star Fox game most people dislike and a Star Fox Tower Defense game. In short, consumers don't believe Nintendo when it says the gimmicks are worthwhile additions. They just drive up the costs with next to no benefits.
- Base price is too high.
Too high for a secondary console, even for us enthusiasts.
- Paid Online.
That's the cost of getting a 21st century online system, I guess. But we've known these paid services for a while now and we didn't accept PS+ in its original form until Sony packed in free games. Nintendo doesn't exist in a vacuum. If their paid service costs just as much as PS+ they have lost their minds.
- Leakers lead them to believe other things.
I'm sorry, but that one is on you. If you believed random people on the Internet to the degree of adjusting your expectations I don't know what to tell you.
- Nintendo wants to make money with every purchase.
That's just what Nintendo does. Nintendo isn't Microsoft.
- The Joy-Con make EVERYTHING expensive.
Those controllers are marvellous achievements in both design and functionality. Their development must have been expeeeeeeensive. And yet you get two of them included. That means Nintendo is losing one somewhat sure controller sale. And they want to compensate that by making everything expensive. Even if I don't need a second dock, a dock being $90 makes everything seem bad.
- Nintendo dropped the ball with Wii U's gimmick.
The Joy-Con being so full of tech is not a bad thing, IF Nintendo will use those features. But we've heard that song before and what happened? A Star Fox game most people dislike and a Star Fox Tower Defense game. In short, consumers don't believe Nintendo when it says the gimmicks are worthwhile additions. They just drive up the costs with next to no benefits.
- Base price is too high.
Too high for a secondary console, even for us enthusiasts.
- Paid Online.
That's the cost of getting a 21st century online system, I guess. But we've known these paid services for a while now and we didn't accept PS+ in its original form until Sony packed in free games. Nintendo doesn't exist in a vacuum. If their paid service costs just as much as PS+ they have lost their minds.
shamo42
Member
You forgot:
- huge bezel
- long charging times (better tape that power bank to your Switch)
- the only 2 interesting games available on Wii U too
- non-removable battery
- ridiculous base price
- 900p @ 2017
i think the price is fair.
(I mean if you compare it with other consoles companies...)
Yeah the gfx aren't that good as xbox one or ps4, but it's portable.
Nintendo did never delivered such good hardware as a portable device.
- The gfx are better then almost any mobile phone (which cost a lot more).
- It includes already the motion hardware which is an extra cost with ps4 & makes it possible to emulate wii games.
- New rumble tech & distance tech.
- Good huge screen.
- Tv output.
- 2 Joysticks included by the smart design
- and more...
So yeah i only agree that it would be too expensive if it wasn't portable.
(I mean if you compare it with other consoles companies...)
Yeah the gfx aren't that good as xbox one or ps4, but it's portable.
Nintendo did never delivered such good hardware as a portable device.
- The gfx are better then almost any mobile phone (which cost a lot more).
- It includes already the motion hardware which is an extra cost with ps4 & makes it possible to emulate wii games.
- New rumble tech & distance tech.
- Good huge screen.
- Tv output.
- 2 Joysticks included by the smart design
- and more...
So yeah i only agree that it would be too expensive if it wasn't portable.
Kissenkopf
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You are right but a big problem is the E3 so soon after launch. If they would announce everything now and they would show more of it at E3 everybody would say "meh, we knew about those games! Were are the new ones?" And IF they had shown a lot of games development, then they had to need announce games at er which are even further off. So the complain would be "meh, they announced only games we can play in 2 years+".
So there was no right way to do it right.
Nintendo knows that the hardcore gamers are the ones who buy that thing first and the casuals come later. So they can life with that small gap between launch and e3 and then start to get more people to play their system and make them buy it at the holidays this year.
I still preordered it on Amazon since there's no risk on doing that but there's basically zero chance I keep it.
The main thing that presentation did is make me want to create a shrine for the wii u breath of the wild since it's going to make this easy to skip.
The main thing that presentation did is make me want to create a shrine for the wii u breath of the wild since it's going to make this easy to skip.
You're right, but in this case, what the OP wanted is there. For some reason when this forum goes into negative mode, it REALLY goes into negative mode. It's insane. The system looks cool, is priced around what we expected (only silly people were thinking $199 and convinced themselves that's what it was gonna be when we were sensibly thinking $249-$299), and has a great version of Zelda. It's also the most powerful handheld on the market.
There's nothing wrong with the system itself. I can see people being upset at the cost of all of the peripherals, but those things can be gotten at a later time.
People shouldn't let themselves get bitch slapped by the hype.
Is this for real? Ha, ha! Man, 900p? Damn, I guess those Xbox One guys really hate their console since so many games on that system are 900p.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
I feel like paid online is mostly a problem because Nintendo has been stuck in the year 2000 with anything regarding online(slight hyperbole) so there is no confidence.
Secondly what is known about the online service is not crystal clear in language but if we go with the interpretation where the language leans at it's already worse out of the gate(losing access to the free game after 1 month).
Honestly if Nintendo hits online out of the park I see people easily accepting it.
It's like Sony making the transition smooth with lots of good news and tons of PS+ good will(which currently is getting used up hard).
Thing is we have 0 reason to believe that a Nintendo that has shown again to be out of touch has what it takes to establish a solid and great online system.
Disagree, they can just do what they did last year and dedicate it all to Mario Odyssey. So them saving themselves for E3 feels very atypical.
It was a weird rollercoaster for me. I came into the presentation pretty hyped for the switch and pretty sure I would buy one. Then the presentation really bummed me out with the price, payed online and lack of games. Then I watched some Zelda gameplay and ended up still pre-ordering one since boy that game looks amazing (and I don't have a Wii U).
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
What?
As a Nintendo admirer since I was a kid (but ended up only owning SEga and PS HW), I've been waiting for the Switch in hopes it would be my first Nintendo console, but all this baffling decisions are making this so wrong.
I really want Nintendo to succeed but boy, they're making things hard, just too many thorns in this rose to pick it up.
I really want Nintendo to succeed but boy, they're making things hard, just too many thorns in this rose to pick it up.
Devilgunman
Member
Judging from their E3 from last year, how much do you think Nintendo care about E3 right now? They have their own little show to show off their stuffs, why even bother bringing the games to E3 where they will be overshadowed by other massive games from PS4? I still think it was a better idea for them to unload most of their in-house games at yesterday event and skip E3 all together.
roddjbrown
Member
I'm with you, I was sure I'd be in for this and then I just felt...meh. I'm normally the kind of person who needs to be in on day 1 and my pragmatism has almost scared me. Maybe when the inevitable special editions come out I'll be there
I kinda agree with this. The leakers REALLY set the tone for this conference with all of the games speculation and leaks. People already knew what to expect and when everything was mostly what they expected, people were like, "meh". It was funny to watch. People want things leaked, but get upset when what was leaked is exactly what was there. Also, the speculation that the system was going to be "lower than we expect" just drove home the narrative that the system was going to be cheap and people ran with it.
I hope this teaches people to not set their expectations based on unverified information.
The pre-orders sold out at all major online vendors (Gamestop, Target, Amazon, Best Buy, Wallmart, etc.) before I even woke up. Nintendo still has a lot of die-hard fans. But stuff like a 32gb cap just scares the hell out of me. I mean a lot of Xbone and PS4 games have *patches* that are bigger than that. And pay to play online is a whole other story. I'd love to be wrong but Switch sort of scares me right now.
wapplew
Member
Did you missed last E3? It was E3 of Zelda and this year will be E3 of Mario and maybe Metroid.
Aztechnology
Member
As someone who's very much in the same boat as you OP. I'm treating this as sort of a market/gaming reality check for what the core gamer is today and what they want from their devices. I personally am having a hard time justifying the switch and their decisions around motion controls, and other what I see as gimmicky features especially in regards to the Joycon. They seem to be focused on recapturing that Wii audience. I wanted a powerful, effecient and value driven portable machine focused on core games that could be be played on the big screen as well. I'm kind of left feeling that it's a middling product in most regards.
Nintendo consoles always build up value for me through the coming years. I've never really been disappointed with a console launch from their side.
Sure, I don't like their information policy, I hate what they did to the VC after the Wii, there are varying points of disagreement with them... But in the end, I always had tremendous amounts of fun when I bought their console on launch.
Wii had Zelda and Wii Sports, Wii U had Nintendoland - local MP gaming bliss, N64 had Mario 64, GCN had Bloody Roar: Primal Fury
and I was too young for the SNES on launch day.
Switch looks great to me with Puyo Tetris, SnipperClips, Bomberman and Zelda. If Tetris makes it to Europe on launch day, I'll get that, otherwise I'll buy SnipperClips for MP.
There are many, many, many other points I just can't comprehend when it comes to their presentation. There's just so much stuff that went sideways...
I'm still somewhat okay, because I was suspecting 300 Euro and get 2 players out of the box, but their accessory prices are simply nuts. If I was unsure if want to play Zelda on the Wii U or the Switch I would definitely not buy a Switch now.
Wait for the first price cut.
Sure, I don't like their information policy, I hate what they did to the VC after the Wii, there are varying points of disagreement with them... But in the end, I always had tremendous amounts of fun when I bought their console on launch.
Wii had Zelda and Wii Sports, Wii U had Nintendoland - local MP gaming bliss, N64 had Mario 64, GCN had Bloody Roar: Primal Fury
shut up, I liked it
Switch looks great to me with Puyo Tetris, SnipperClips, Bomberman and Zelda. If Tetris makes it to Europe on launch day, I'll get that, otherwise I'll buy SnipperClips for MP.
There are many, many, many other points I just can't comprehend when it comes to their presentation. There's just so much stuff that went sideways...
- The Prices
- The OS
- Online
- VC
- Showing actual 3rd Party titles instead of hollow suits on stage
- Having a launch line-up PR
- Showing an Indie reel, If you have Indies, why not have a stage for them?
- The Prices
I'm still somewhat okay, because I was suspecting 300 Euro and get 2 players out of the box, but their accessory prices are simply nuts. If I was unsure if want to play Zelda on the Wii U or the Switch I would definitely not buy a Switch now.
Wait for the first price cut.
storafötter
Member
Honestly I was in some sort of exciting too but disappointed by the high price tag and very expensive peripherals (basic controller as insane prices). However I never planned to get it at launch and planned to wait it out. I know Nintendo will get into panic mode and reduce the price 3-6 months later or have a game bundle.
I am done buying their stuff at launch but I will get a switch as handhelds are my thing and it shows promisse as a "hybrid" device. Region free is the best news that has come out of the reveal.
I am done buying their stuff at launch but I will get a switch as handhelds are my thing and it shows promisse as a "hybrid" device. Region free is the best news that has come out of the reveal.
IcyRhythms
Member
I agree. I feel like if I'm looking at the post history of another user it makes me a weirdo.(a lot of them here, make no mistake)I just can't get so mind fucked about the opinions of others to the point where I'm like "15 seconds later, the post history explains everything. Annnnnnnnd we're done here" LMAO
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Camaway2
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I can only concurr. Yesterday I canceled my preorder and reflected, a bit in shock, that this is the first Nintendo console I won't be getting at launch. I am in my forties with a kid and disposable income, I have thrown serious money to complete my Game&Watch collection, I am a huge Nintendo fan and I fly on business over 100 times per year, in short I am the perfect target for the Switch. Yes I am so dismayed at the launch offer that I cannot fathom any excitement at the idea of getting a new piece of hardware in March.
I am settled with Zelda on the WiiU and will likely get the Switch when Mario comes out, but no launch purchase for me, the first Ninty hardware launch I will be missing since the Virtual Boy.
I am settled with Zelda on the WiiU and will likely get the Switch when Mario comes out, but no launch purchase for me, the first Ninty hardware launch I will be missing since the Virtual Boy.
Uh. It's all of those things. Unless something changed... There should be nothing wrong with them trying to provide some interesting software for those who aren't core gamers. The system is for everyone and core gamers will have Zelda...which isn't some cheap low end game.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I'm going to buy Mass Effect in March and wait for the inevitable Winter price slash.
Been here before with the 3DS. Learned my lesson.
Been here before with the 3DS. Learned my lesson.
So after reading a few hours op.. I want something a little more portable. I will not cancel my preorder tho... instead I will keep it, play the games I want and later when switch lite comes out .. a little smaller hopefully .. no detached controllers .. I will trade it in for that. I think I'm ok with this.
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