Ya let's not feel sorry for whistleblowers who keep their respective industries honest and the public informed.
Now we know why people don't bother.
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AMA with Aliens Colonial Marines tester [verified]
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Ya let's not feel sorry for whistleblowers who keep their respective industries honest and the public informed.
Now we know why people don't bother.
Portugeezer
Member
They don't bother because I don't cry for them?
He wanted that verification, yet even now people still doubt him, and ultimately that is what could fuck him over.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
I'm curious as i've seen a lot of anger come out of this towards Gearbox and some seriously disappointed sounding people in this and other forums over the failure of ACM and honestly... did anyone really think this was gonna be a decent game?
That HUUUUGE dev time, those not impressive screens, the jumping IP...
I mean yea, Alien and Aliens are badass... the property itself is interesting and cool but is there seriously that large of crowd for an CM game?
I have a hard time believing that most gamers today are going to give a shit about this failure. Find me a teenager who really LOVES the Aliens movie like some of us 80s kids do and i'd be amazed. It's a 20 year old property that hasn't seen a AAA stellar game come out of the license ever. Gearbox is Borderlands. If I were them I may have done the same thing considering that Borderlands 2 was a fucking major success and the best that ever could have come of a ACM game would be mediocre break even numbers by the book FPS.
Just because you throw the Xenomorphs in there doesn't make it special or great. In fact.. a Borderlands style Aliens game would get boring as hell... unless they untapped some amazing fountain of genius and processing power and gave us hundreds of aliens on screen at once while you and 20+ marines go ape shit with auto cannons and smart guns... it was never gonna do gangbusters.
I guess.. I'm simply just not surprised by this at all and i'm seeing a lot of shock and sadness in people that i never would have expected. Especially from a more dev/industry savvy community.
That HUUUUGE dev time, those not impressive screens, the jumping IP...
I mean yea, Alien and Aliens are badass... the property itself is interesting and cool but is there seriously that large of crowd for an CM game?
I have a hard time believing that most gamers today are going to give a shit about this failure. Find me a teenager who really LOVES the Aliens movie like some of us 80s kids do and i'd be amazed. It's a 20 year old property that hasn't seen a AAA stellar game come out of the license ever. Gearbox is Borderlands. If I were them I may have done the same thing considering that Borderlands 2 was a fucking major success and the best that ever could have come of a ACM game would be mediocre break even numbers by the book FPS.
Just because you throw the Xenomorphs in there doesn't make it special or great. In fact.. a Borderlands style Aliens game would get boring as hell... unless they untapped some amazing fountain of genius and processing power and gave us hundreds of aliens on screen at once while you and 20+ marines go ape shit with auto cannons and smart guns... it was never gonna do gangbusters.
I guess.. I'm simply just not surprised by this at all and i'm seeing a lot of shock and sadness in people that i never would have expected. Especially from a more dev/industry savvy community.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
People within a company talk to one another?
So if Gearbox was avoiding Sega and didn't even submit the game to them until mid-2012 for the first time, how is a Sega tester in the know about so much about development and internal stuff at Gearbox? Seems like much of his information is going to be hearsay even if he works there due to how far removed he'd be from much of the decisions and drama.
I admit I was one of those who was initially really shocked and surprised -- excited even -- by the announcement that Gearbox was developing an Aliens game. But the more I thought about it, and the more the game drug on, I realized that it wasn't going to work out. Gearbox just wasn't the right developer for this franchise. They don't have atmosphere down worth a flying fuck. Someone like Visceral Games would be awesome for Aliens. Hell, Dead Space is pretty much an Alien game not named Alien.
This whole thing is absolutely terrible, and people need to be held accountable. I am more curious whether Gearbox was really stupid enough to use Sega's money on Borderlands. So far, we've just seen rumors and conjecture about it.
This whole thing is absolutely terrible, and people need to be held accountable. I am more curious whether Gearbox was really stupid enough to use Sega's money on Borderlands. So far, we've just seen rumors and conjecture about it.
Alien is worldwide icon. The xenomorph is is such a well known sci fi monster that stores sell Alien plushies. While AvP and the videogames have brought it to a joke of a series, it is still an important property. If Sega can get the right studio, time the release correctly, and especially with a new generation beginning, the series has huge potential that can outsell Gears of War or God of War.
i was never convinced this game was going to be great, because I never liked Borderlands. But, i certainly didnt think it would turn out as bad as it did.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Which also causes daisy chains for firings.
Im not blaming Sega, but if they did write a shit contract then... it is their fault >_<
I mean, I dont know, maybe they will sue, but I would assume if you wanted A to dev your game, youd put that in your contract, and not allow them to outsource it...
I do hope the contract was good and Sega does sue, but, I dont think Gearbox would be stupid enough to do anything that would get them sued... maybe.
I mean, I dont know, maybe they will sue, but I would assume if you wanted A to dev your game, youd put that in your contract, and not allow them to outsource it...
I do hope the contract was good and Sega does sue, but, I dont think Gearbox would be stupid enough to do anything that would get them sued... maybe.
Thanks. The project was a mess from the start. *cue Pac-Man womp-womp-womp*
wondermega
Member
Sega's fault (well, producer at Sega's fault, but bad on that person's boss for letting him stick around). Also, NDA much?
Q
Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
thats bullshit gearbox signed this in 06 they never released borderlands till 09.......
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I read through the old GI article again and it looks like Gearbox was really excited about working on Aliens CM. This was before Borderlands success of course.
I remember thinking that Gearbox had a lot on their table with Aliens CM, Borderlands, then Duke Nukem, etc. I think I said to myself that there's no way they can work on all these games at the same time. I was worried one of them would suffer and remember thinking it'd be Aliens. I really hoped Aliens CM wouldn't turn out bad.
After the delays, sucks I was right.
I remember thinking that Gearbox had a lot on their table with Aliens CM, Borderlands, then Duke Nukem, etc. I think I said to myself that there's no way they can work on all these games at the same time. I was worried one of them would suffer and remember thinking it'd be Aliens. I really hoped Aliens CM wouldn't turn out bad.
After the delays, sucks I was right.
Well, if it's not just speculation on his part, then that means it's something he's heard working at Sega. Which could mean Sega thinks that's the case. Ruh roh?
The game was cancelled in 2008 and then got on track in mid-2009. Not sure whether he really means that Sega signed with Gearbox because of Borderlands, maybe they just trusted them during post-2008 development and didn't care too much.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
See it's thoughts like that "Outselling gears of War or God of War" (fyi iseewhatyoudid there gowgow) kind of baffle me. Since there has never been an aliens game or an AVP game that came anywhere near selling the way those two games have sold... what about the franchise itself screams potential gold to people?
At this point in time a large swath of the game playing public are simply too young to even really care about the Aliens property. Look at Prometheus. If there was a huge alien fanbase out there frothing for some action in their fav universe you would think that movie would have at least had a crazy good opening weekend instead of a somewhat ok 3 week run.
And like i said in my last post... if the next gen systems come along and a dev with some actual love for the series gets their hands on it and does something hugely different as far as the gameplay is concerned (huge numbers, giant fights, open world, dynamic Xenomorph infection spreading... imagine starting with one free alien in a huge colony and the faster you track down and exterminate them the more in control you keep the colony. Take too long or let too many get away with too many colonists/marines and all of a sudden your numbers quickly switch and you get swarmed) .... i mean fuck. That's off the top of my head and .. to me at least .. sounds infinitely more interesting than ANY aliens game that has ever come out.
Sega could have acted sooner or been more aware. True. However I do hope they are able to get some justice in regard to this. What happen here was completely wrong and I honestly would not understand all if they didn't sue Gearbox.
If they indeed used the money from Aliens for Borderlands Sega should go after ownership of the actual IP itself since they would have been funding it.
It was confirmed to be real.
Grimhammer
Neo Member
I work with Engineers for multiple disciplines. Though not in gaming industry....I imagine office talk is same. I could tell you minute detail about projects including costs, scheduling and set backs. And in my early days I was a photocopy boy! Lol
Regardless of how true this story is....publishers I'd think wouldn't want anything to do with gearbox now. Risk too high.
And Sega should launch an investigation....though if gearbox did do what's being suggested - I imagine they have destroyed any paper trails.
Regardless of how true this story is....publishers I'd think wouldn't want anything to do with gearbox now. Risk too high.
And Sega should launch an investigation....though if gearbox did do what's being suggested - I imagine they have destroyed any paper trails.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Sarcasm, or true? If confirmed real, why delete it?
Night_Trekker
Member
I don't know if I believe that, but it would explain a lot.
If it is true (and we'll probably never know either way)... Gearbox shouldn't be making any more games, ever.
If it is true (and we'll probably never know either way)... Gearbox shouldn't be making any more games, ever.
SolidSnakex
Member
He was confirmed to be a real tester for Sega. But the info could've been bogus. Of course it could've also been real and he received a "request" from Sega to spewing info that's supposed to be under NDA.
wondermega
Member
I'd expect his career is finished after this.
Seasoned Badger
Member
They are a terrible company till they announce borderlands 3 then everyone will be back on praising Gearbox. That's how it always works.
Well yah but how could they have figured out who it was ? I am always confused by this part.
wondermega
Member
it's not that hard. departments are small and people talk, especially when there's a bunch of drama. this guy was "noble," but kinda an idiot
GotEmRunnin
Member
wow! Anyway you slice it that's some pretty damning evidence against Gearbox. Even if the guy loses his job he could have really hurt Gearbox's rep in the industry with this news.
wondermega
Member
all companies have skeletons and every publisher worth their salt knows it. I doubt their reputation is more shot to hell than it was already..
Borderlands 3 is probably further along than Colonial Marines is.
Because they have one tester in the company?
I for one will never touch anything related to Gearbox anymore.
Aquamarine
Member
He did the AMA under a "throwaway account." So he should stay anonymous (and keep his job).
Sega probably sent a cease-and-desist letter to Reddit, forcing them to remove the AMA and delete all of his posts / ban his account.
I love gamers, I am also... I always love the way we punish companies like that. They deserve to be punished, especially gearbox. I didnt like the wii U part, mostly
Because its real and because its a fraud against customers... ?
Because its real and because its a fraud against customers... ?
this is the second gaming company scandal I ve read in my life.. I remember Microsoft years ago, paid lots of millions to keep a game as an exclusive, cant remember which company (square enix?) And the company used that money to built a ps3 edition of the game. lol
Well its not the same, but it belongs in the same scale or even worse! They used the money to built their own ip's...
Well its not the same, but it belongs in the same scale or even worse! They used the money to built their own ip's...
frankie_baby
Member
that makes little sense, reddit haven't signed an nda
Was that Level 5 and True Fantasy Live Online?
this. Fucking gross
I cant remember, I was much younger and a 360 owner, so I was joining console fights like that! lol I enjoyed it.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Lawyers can send C&D letters if they believe what is being exposed to be private information or Slander. It will of been more of a persuasive request than a legal order
Reddit would like comply with something like this to avoid potential court cases.
Tell me more!!
They're all at fault.
Hmm no. I wasn't overly fond of borderlands and I never held the DNF fiasco against them but this yeah, I will.
nckillthegrimace
Member
Why? If Gearbox did indeed use Sega's money to make Borderlands while neglecting the project Sega gave them the money to make, then Gearbox absolutely deserves to be punished. At best, the company is run by flimflam men; at worst, thieves.
If these allegations are true, it's a serious blow to Gearbox. There could be a bevy of negative consequences: 1. Sega sues Gearbox for breach of contract and fraud; 2. other publishers stop doing business with Gearbox; and 3. consumers stop buying Gearbox products.
No proof, just rumors that Level 5 was putting more time and resources into Dragon Quest and Rouge Galaxy than True Fantasy. Which caused it to lag behind schedule and eventually making Microsoft cancel it.
The wiki makes it sound like Microsoft was asking too much of them though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Fantasy_Live_Online
That's not quite how Reddit works.
This was removed on purpose by the poster after he was identified.
There's also no guarantee this guy should keep his job just because he was posturing for anonymity.