Seven Force
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This is either going to be one really great, or one incredibly hilarious E3 for SE. Can't wait.
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Amazon no longer selling Versus XIII?
- Thread starter Exentryk
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Not the first time I've heard that and won't be the last. Still, it doesn't have to be renamed 15, as some people think it will be.
BlazingDarkness
Member
I think it's a testament to Square Enix's history that they can be both one of the most reviled publishers of this generation (following the XIII/XIV fiasco) and yet probably have the most wanted title at E3.
People may have criticized them this generation but they're far from irrelevant. Keep hope alive!
People may have criticized them this generation but they're far from irrelevant. Keep hope alive!
And what game would that be?
Versus XIII of course!
With Noctis merchandise coming just days after E3, I don't think they'd cancel it
BlazingDarkness
Member
Hopefully having individual Western development and Japanese development will stop SE attempting to have Japanese software appeal to the west (and thus ruining their appeal to the majority of people.)
GIFs. Everywhere.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Read the thread. Or any number of other SE/E3 threads.
zeopower6
Member
Yeah. I'm not sure where you're going with this though.
I was going for "They can simultaneous develop titles but we probably won't hear about it from them so that they don't repeat what happened with FNC and the looooong delay" but... I'm not entirely sure that makes sense in the conversation >_<~ Sorry about that.
The evidence from SE is also pointing at the game showing. Didn't someone on their side say that even though it was missing TGS last year, we'd probably get more news from them in 2013? The only question is in what form? At this point "Versus XIII" as we knew it before probably no longer exists, but just what will it be called then? What has changed in the last 2 years since they last shown us something from the game?
YES YES YESSSSSSS!!!!!
Seriously? Like, I get people are hyped for a game that's essentially been in development hell for years, but most hyped game? Even after the 2011 trailer, I don't see how this can be the most hyped game at E3 unless they've totally redid everything. It looks similar to a Kingdom Hearts game in terms of how it looks to play, and hasn't popularity on that waned over the years?
I swear to you, it's almost exclusively Gaf. Nowhere else do I see the fandom for Nomura that Gaf gives him.
The post was worded that way for a specific reason. Won't say why now. Will say when you see 'Versus'. It makes perfect sense though.
There is some truth to the leak from VGLeaks, but exaggerated and probably kind of misunderstood too.
It should.
If you have something successful, you should understand why, and continue to refine it. It's an unnecessary business risk to try and change something successful into something else to achieve a different type of success. If it's too drastic and unnatural, it fails. Each project is its own, and has its own vision. You can't force something after all. I think they must be smart enough to realise this now.
H_Prestige
Banned
Calling it XV would be the smartest thing to do. Versus is way ahead of whatever future mainline title is in the works right now and it already has the production values to warrant a mainline title. SE needs to hit the ground running next gen. They can't release their first FF game 3-4 years into the generation.
Forget the drawing. Nomura came out about a week ago and confirmed its' existence, along with a set re-reveal date.
Examples? I have a cold so my memory is not available.
Open world action RPG with a mature setting and storyline is worth getting hyped over. Especially after the shit-show that was FFXIII.
SoraanTribal
Member
I'd be both very happy (to see a brand new FF, preferably with gameplay footage), but also disappointed (that it wasn't Versus). It would be very weird.
BlazingDarkness
Member
I feel ya!
SE have the best approach to being a worldwide publisher, instead of twisting the core of the content they offer to appeal to both the CoD crowd and the JRPG crowd (and ending up with XIII) they can make western software tailored to western tastes and japanese for japanese tastes. (I realise those are highly stereotypical sentiments, but that's marketing for ya)
Fingers crossed they fire on all cylinders on both counts!
SniperHunter
Banned
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Okay, Verendus, could I ask you something?
So, you talk a lot about how Square, by and large, recognizes their fuck ups this gen. Then why, may I ask, are they letting things like Lightning Returns' reveal (roses, Lightning being a role model, Lightning being the face of SE, etc) go? Why are they allowing statements like "Lightning is the new face of Final Fantasy and SE" go? Why are they letting Toriyama run his mouth about how "This will be the most polished FF to date"? Because that to me sounds like they are trying to make XIII forever be associated with Final Fantasy. Which, if your comments are anything to go by, is something they don't want.
Lightning may be popular. Lightning may be well liked. In fact, outside of Gaf, I know she is. But that does not change the fact that she comes from Final Fantasy XIII/XIII-2, two of the most polarizing games of the FF franchise.
So again, if SE is looking to move on, why are they allowing Motomu Toriyama and Kitase to try their damnedest to link parts of XIII to FF forever?
So, you talk a lot about how Square, by and large, recognizes their fuck ups this gen. Then why, may I ask, are they letting things like Lightning Returns' reveal (roses, Lightning being a role model, Lightning being the face of SE, etc) go? Why are they allowing statements like "Lightning is the new face of Final Fantasy and SE" go? Why are they letting Toriyama run his mouth about how "This will be the most polished FF to date"? Because that to me sounds like they are trying to make XIII forever be associated with Final Fantasy. Which, if your comments are anything to go by, is something they don't want.
Lightning may be popular. Lightning may be well liked. In fact, outside of Gaf, I know she is. But that does not change the fact that she comes from Final Fantasy XIII/XIII-2, two of the most polarizing games of the FF franchise.
So again, if SE is looking to move on, why are they allowing Motomu Toriyama and Kitase to try their damnedest to link parts of XIII to FF forever?
BlazingDarkness
Member
FFXIII (Ultra-linear cinematic narrative)
Nier (MC swap for each territory)
The Last Remnant (I can't remember exactly what they said for this one, but there was a big push for western appeal)
Those are just off the top of my head.
Oh yeah, I forgot about those.
I don't think XIII was designed to appeal to anyone other than Toriyama.
Stone Ocean
Member
I surely hope so. Buying Eidos was definitely Square's best decision this generation, they got the western base covered with them and they should just stick to doing their games their way.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Because they need to release something in the meantime.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Oh yeah, I forgot about those.
I don't think XIII was designed to appeal to anyone other than Toriyama.
I actually remember them referencing Call of Duty in interviews about XIII. :|
It pretty much sums up their approach coming into this gen, but it's changed towards the end, thank god.
Pretty much this, though there's no way SE would willingly admit to that. They been trying to sell that series like it was a trilogy from the start, when the first game, FF13, ended just fine. I was content with it, you were content with it...
Blame it all on FF14. That's what screwed everything up for SE this gen (in my own worthless opinion).
zeopower6
Member
I think the preorders have been out since 2006 and you've been able to preorder it on Amazon up until today.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
You don't see Capcom trying to associate Devil May Cry 2 with the Devil May Cry franchise (hell, on most days you can't even get them to admit it exists). This is obviously an extreme example, but this is a case where a company recognized their mess up, changed their approach, released another entry which was tailored to what fans wanted, and ended up with critical and fan acclaim. And after they went the route of Devil May Cry 3, they didn't start talking about how much Devil May Cry 2 did for the franchise, even though it is true that DMC 2 served as the basis for the Trickster, Swordsmaster, Gunslinger styles found in DMC 3.
I understand they have to release filler, which is why I understand XIII-2 and LR. However, what I'm not understanding is why, when SE apparently wants to leave it behind, is allowing employees to make moves to associate said thing they are leaving behind with the brand. That is contrary to their goals.
PshycoNinja
Member
The funny thing about this is that back in 2006 they explicitly said that XIII wouldn't have any ports or sequels. Lol.
you have really put my worries to rest...Appreciate the sentiment!
Like you said, Lightning is popular (I don't think she is in the grand scheme of things to be frank) amongst a certain base of players. And there is money to be made there. So you have to market her and promote her as much as you possibly can. She has her fans, and FFXIII has its fans, who will pick up the sequels. They can't be abandoned and treated like they don't matter. They do matter to some extent because they're important for the sequels to succeed. You don't milk people for what they're worth without buttering them up first.
As for the roses, I don't know. Because Toriyama is confused and doesn't realise that some things are better left unsaid, and that the crap he pulled would be hard for even someone who had good English skills and some charisma to actually do well, without looking like a weirdo. Maybe it would work better in the Japanese language, and when directed at a Japanese audience. But I think presentations for games are better when they're strictly business and not too dramatic.
Because then you get Toriyama, and sometimes this:
Although, that presentation was pretty funny in retrospect and I have some level of fondness for it. Just because of the expressions.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
What is funnier is that Toriyama admitted that XIII-2 wasn't planned until they saw XIII sell more than what they expected. And then, upon hearing his plans, you realize that the original XIII-2 he had planned basically had nothing to do with XIII, even less than the current XIII-2. And then you realize that LR only happened because Lightning became popular, thus changing things from XIII-3 to Lightning Returns.
Nothing in this joke of a trilogy was planned, and what was planned changed so dramatically that what we currently have bears little resemblance to the original plan.
@Verendus
Why are you actually giving this information and only half of the story?
If you are so sure about what you're saying then give us the whole story or give us nothing.
You can say a lot but eventually something will be right. That doesn't mean you actually knew things.
In one of your first posts you said Square Enix was a joke but you're doing exactly the same by giving these vague statements.
So again, if you truly know stuff then be honest and either tell everything instead of being so vague or don't say anything at all.
Thank you.
Why are you actually giving this information and only half of the story?
If you are so sure about what you're saying then give us the whole story or give us nothing.
You can say a lot but eventually something will be right. That doesn't mean you actually knew things.
In one of your first posts you said Square Enix was a joke but you're doing exactly the same by giving these vague statements.
So again, if you truly know stuff then be honest and either tell everything instead of being so vague or don't say anything at all.
Thank you.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Well what else would they say? 'We're releasing this game but it's not particularly important for the future of our business nor is it related to our vision of Final Fantasy going forward.'? That's one way of killing interest, for sure. Everything SE say is to market the game to help push as many units as possible, because their lineup is probably needing a larger title to bring a return on their investment - which is probably pretty thin in itself. Easy profits, basically - which is important when they've just written a lot of internal stuff off and taken a loss on those.
Any bigger titles (FFXV etc) will come but they can't make money on those until they release, which is often many months after being revealed.
SniperHunter
Banned
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There's a balance to be had between outing information and retaining a source's trust. I'm not in defense of all the teasing here, but people who leak often can't say things clearly because either it's only one of many possibilities or they don't want to betray their source.
Once again, pretty much this. Crimson, I think you're prying too hard into this.
Black Republican
Member
Pretty much, heh.
Or... you can wait until E3. Seriously guys stop bothering him.
SniperHunter
Banned
zeopower6
Member
Usually insider information like this is intentionally vague. Do many leaks ever give away more than half the story? Sometimes we're lucky to even get that. E3 isn't that far away, so we'll soon see exactly what he's talking about.
I'm actually surprised he's saying as much as he is, tbh.
It just occurred to me. Did SE say they were going to be answering questions during their E3 stream? Like say, questions from the fans over twitter?
BlazingDarkness
Member
If Verendus is legit, he's by far the most explicit 'insider' source I've seen in a long time, not sure why he's being accused of being vague, to be honest.
Yes they are. But for FFXIV, LRFFXIII and FFX|X-2 HD.
If he speaks the truth.
zeopower6
Member
Toriyama and Kitase will be there, but I think those questions are only going to be regarding XIII and X/X-2. They'll also be from Japanese Twitter users (or Japanese speaking ones anyway) only unless they open it up to English questions.
Siliconera translated the 'themes' that the questions should be based on:
The Sahagin and Lightning in Town themes are kind of weird imo.
Yep, totally. I'm hoping he's legitimate and it looks like it'll probably pan out that he is telling the truth.
Yeah you just need to read between the lines and it becomes obvious what he's saying.