Its the power of sacrificing you GPU to the god of graphics. srsly this mod is a pc killer.
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Are Ubisoft the new top dogs when it comes to open world graphics?
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Its the power of sacrificing you GPU to the god of graphics. srsly this mod is a pc killer.
What? Update 1.0.7.0 for GTA4 was like they went out of their way to castrate modders, unless you're trying to tell me the best way to run mods on GTA4 PC is without downgrading to 1.0.4.0 first?
/boggle
LiquidNarwhal
Banned
Yikes! nice assumption that it was artificially delayed, are they lazy devs? do they hate PC?
Anton Sugar
Member
My bad, someone posted it in the GTA V screenshots thread. Guess I didn't read close enough.
Well in some aspects GTA V can't come close to ACU even on PC. Lightning (combination of static/pre baked GI and dynamic lights and other techniques) and PBS in ACU will be way better than in GTA V. Also if R* don't introduce some kind of AO in PC version that would damage visuals even more.
wut? 1.0.7.0 mods just fine now. Every GTA patch usually kills the mods. They don't go out of their way, they just will fix the game regardless of what it does to the mod community.
tl;dr they've never stopped mods (your contention). They've just never gone out of there way with a patch to keep them working. That's a far cry from being "anti-mods".
AC Unity is the graphics king for me at the moment, open world or not. It's running fine for me (970/2600k@4.4) but not perfect. Haven't started FC4 up yet, but I must say GTA V on PS4 isn't impressing me all that much. The cars are aliased as fuck, and they are super low poly models. Overall it's fine, but it isn't blowing me away like Unity is.
Boombloxer
Member
False.
Unity looks amazing, but so does Infamous.
I haven't fired up GTA V yet, but I suspect that will have its moments as well.
No, not false. I own both. Infamous looks good, but Unity is much more impresive. It isn't close.
jim2point0
Banned
From what I've seen of GTAV so far, it doesn't hold a candle to Unity's lighitng and physical based rendering. It looks great, but I haven't really gone "wow" at any of the screenshots so far. I'd put Infamous: SS over GTAV, but I get the impression that Infamous is much smaller in scope.
I still look forward to playing GTAV on PC. I expect it will at least run better than Unity and have better looking NPCs.
Gormenghast
Member
It's not about NPCs. It's interaction with everything, on top of the interaction between elements that are not "you".
For example one problem of FC4 as a world is that nothing outside your bubble is simulated. The game simply picks a location nearby, and sets off a script. You move away, that scene ceases to exist.
You kill people, walk slightly off, return: all the bodies are gone.
The elements of the game are entirely self-contained. You cannot set off events that snowball and produce significant consequences SOMEWHERE ELSE. That's a true "world".
If you see a car, shoot at it and blow it up, nothing else happens somewhere else. That car was transporting nothing. Those NPCs where getting nowhere. The car spawned from nothing and returned to nothing. So, this is an element that is not connect to any other: so it's not a system and it's not complex. The only link is thee player, and the player is not a "world".
A game that does some of this? Dwarf Fortress.
Or PvP MMORPGs.
TheAdmiester
Member
Wrong. GTA 4 1.0.7.0 updated certain shaders and shadow systems, which broke ENB series. Because the main guy behind it didn't bother fixing it for 1.0.7.0, it went unfixed until recently. Just because an update to a game stops a single mod from working doesn't mean it's broken on purpose.
Also, as for the topic, Ubisoft's world designs are nowhere near the detail and appeal of Rockstar's open worlds. They'll never be the top dogs as long as we keep getting GTA games.
nailed it.
need to be able to pull it off with acceptable performance - and Ubisoft has proven they can't do that.
FC4 seems to be pretty good in that department, but it's also not quite so much of a looker as ACU.
How do the cars in Unity look?
I don't see Far Cry 4 being the most impressive open-world on on both consoles or PC; you can see its 'last-gen roots' here and there. Assassin's Creed Unity on PC with maxed out settings looks phenomenal and might be the winner.
That being said, I think there are other open-world games that look better than both on consoles.
The new king of open-world visuals will be GTAV PC with mods though. Well, at least until The Division releases and we have this discussion again.
That being said, I think there are other open-world games that look better than both on consoles.
The new king of open-world visuals will be GTAV PC with mods though. Well, at least until The Division releases and we have this discussion again.
MvmntInGrn
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GTAV looks amazing at times but I don't think its all that consistent. Far Cry 4 looks pretty fantastic, even nicer than Second Son to me.
Principate
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Yeah but that's mods. Not really a fair comparison If people cared enough to mod AC to the same level then it would also be very impressive.
jim2point0
Banned
Out of curiosity, what mods do people think GTAV will have?
Because if you're expecting ENB, I have bad news for you.
Because if you're expecting ENB, I have bad news for you.
Second Son's lighting is disappointing though, especially the static weather and such. I'd say Unity looks better because of that and the interiors, but SS is infinitely smoother.
Ubisoft excels at some visual aspects of open world titles. They've certainly pushed a lot of great looking effects into Unity, though it has come at a cost that many may not feel is worth it.
On the flip side of the coin, you have games like Grand Theft Auto V that I would say feature "better" worlds than anything Ubisoft has put out and it's for one very specific reason: Details.
There are usually more smaller details in a Rockstar open world title that make the game world feel far more alive and "believable" than anything Ubisoft has released. There is more interaction with the environment that feels meaningful in small ways. Rockstar's worlds may not push graphical boundaries in the traditional sense of the word, but when you factor in the little things and little touches that they add, I feel as though it's no contest when compared to Ubisoft titles.
On the flip side of the coin, you have games like Grand Theft Auto V that I would say feature "better" worlds than anything Ubisoft has put out and it's for one very specific reason: Details.
There are usually more smaller details in a Rockstar open world title that make the game world feel far more alive and "believable" than anything Ubisoft has released. There is more interaction with the environment that feels meaningful in small ways. Rockstar's worlds may not push graphical boundaries in the traditional sense of the word, but when you factor in the little things and little touches that they add, I feel as though it's no contest when compared to Ubisoft titles.
Amazing. Doesn't run very well though.
The Shogun
Banned
Unity and Far Cry 4 are the best looking open world games by far on PS4 in my opinion.
Second Son has pretty damn amazing effects for the powers but the city architecture is mostly flat and the city itself outside of enemies is mostly lifeless. What it does well it accels at but both Unity and Far Cry 4 are better in my opinion. Especially Far Cry 4. Unity has so many technical issues it impacts the overall presentation.
As a package Far Cry 4 is the best looking console game in my opinion.
Second Son has pretty damn amazing effects for the powers but the city architecture is mostly flat and the city itself outside of enemies is mostly lifeless. What it does well it accels at but both Unity and Far Cry 4 are better in my opinion. Especially Far Cry 4. Unity has so many technical issues it impacts the overall presentation.
As a package Far Cry 4 is the best looking console game in my opinion.
DoctorFling
Member
AC Unity is pretty breathtaking on PC, shame it's so broken. I'm going to wait until I see GTA5 running on high-end PCs before I make a proper judgement though.
Lmao worst second post I've seen in a while. Hell, Metro LL Redux looks better than GTA V and that game looks comparatively worse than Unity by far. Does GTA V even have anything higher than standard issue SSAO?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
GTAV is no slouch but. I'd go with yes. It's not just the environments that look good in Unity and Far Cry but the character models, and also specifically the facial animation/hair simulation in Unity are the best of the best when it comes to open world games right now. And when you factor in the world density, I legitimately cannot think of a more dense open world city right now especially with interiors that look this detailed.
I'm still dumbfounded by how good the facial animation is in the cutscenes look even though they're realtime. Especially right after AC4 and Rogue. I wonder if they completely ditched that mocam tech from AC3/4/R.
Whatever they did they need to keep doing it.
And special mention, Elise's hair. Seriously, like GTAV and Far Cry 4's grass, I can't get over how good this hair looks. Definitely a new benchmark for hair rendering in games.
I'm still dumbfounded by how good the facial animation is in the cutscenes look even though they're realtime. Especially right after AC4 and Rogue. I wonder if they completely ditched that mocam tech from AC3/4/R.
Whatever they did they need to keep doing it.
And special mention, Elise's hair. Seriously, like GTAV and Far Cry 4's grass, I can't get over how good this hair looks. Definitely a new benchmark for hair rendering in games.
Ironic because your first sentence applies to the last-gen GTAV. Shouldn't we judge GTAV for what it originally was? I'm sure Ubi can hypothetically port AC:U to the upcoming PS5 and have it run much better.
cormack12
Gold Member
Surely the base comparison here should be Watchdogs (PS4/XBO) versus Los Santos (PS4/XBO). Rockstar won't have their next-gen only title out for a while and it's still a few months before GTA V hits PC.
Anyone got any screens of both of similar scenes (excluding using 'focus' mode from the snapomatic)- from memory I think the aliasing on roads and vehicles might be slightly less in WatchDogs, but everything looks a little 'flat'. Also, Chicago is boring and feels sterile.
Anyone got any screens of both of similar scenes (excluding using 'focus' mode from the snapomatic)- from memory I think the aliasing on roads and vehicles might be slightly less in WatchDogs, but everything looks a little 'flat'. Also, Chicago is boring and feels sterile.
jacksepticeye
Member
Same with most games, looks fantastic at certain angles but falls apart other times. here's another similar shot as above but the walls on the left completely break the whole image
GTAV is no slouch but. I'd go with yes. It's not just the environments that look good in Unity and Far Cry but the character models, and also specifically the facial animation/hair simulation in Unity are the best of the best when it comes to open world games right now. And when you factor in the world density, I legitimately cannot think of a more dense open world city right now especially with interiors that look this detailed.
Yeah the fact that this is from an open world game with such detail is pretty crazy
The detail is insane in those shots.
The lighting/reflections (especially the floor) in this shot are so wrong though. It ruins that one shot/area instantly for me.
Similar to Infamous:SS's offset reflections...I notice something is wrong right away.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Unity doesn't even look good on the consoles and I get sad every time someone posts a screen from that hot blurry mess.
The PC port looks good but you need a super computer to run it downsampled.
The PC port looks good but you need a super computer to run it downsampled.
Anton Sugar
Member
That shot is very beautiful, overall, but man, the pasted look of the pillar bases sticks out like crazy.
Gormenghast, I know what you mean but that's arguable that it's as necessary for all open world genres. There are open world racing games. I know far cry 4 could do with more interactions and consequences, although I'm only at the beginning after exploring so much. Any more recent examples btw of something more fleshed out like that? It's a lot to ask for from a shooter imo but of course that sounds fantastic. I know Skyrim has a few elements but it is RPG in nature. Maybe Dragon Age I will?
There will be many cries from angry gamers, if their next game scales back too far.
Good good!
Question.
Infamous has stunning effects but the detail and lighting of the rest of the game, while very nice and clean, doesn't seem on par to me, have you gone back to it recently?
Crytek never needed that on PC after Crysis 1 though.
There will be many cries from angry gamers, if their next game scales back too far.
Good good!
Question.
Infamous has stunning effects but the detail and lighting of the rest of the game, while very nice and clean, doesn't seem on par to me, have you gone back to it recently?
Crytek never needed that on PC after Crysis 1 though.
and the are barely any shadows in there. It kinda... breaks the immersion.
It's true tbh, makes it even more impressive.
I heard Metro was really pretty but haven't played it yet.
Getting real worried about GTA V on pc. Come on Rockstar, impress us...
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I think you're being way too optimistic if you think that vanilla GTAV will suddenly look better than a fully next gen game on pc. And that modding argument goes both ways, ACU can be modded as well. The beards and hair won't suddenly have individual strands like in Unity.
Unity will be difficult to beat in the near term. It has the advantage of having a setting that permits a really appealing art style coupled with great tech. It's an immensely impressive game graphically.
I don't think GTAV has a chance at coming close to beating it, even on PC. Mods may produce some striking results in isolation, but I haven't seen any GTAIV mods that produced a full, cohesive package that looked good.
I don't think GTAV has a chance at coming close to beating it, even on PC. Mods may produce some striking results in isolation, but I haven't seen any GTAIV mods that produced a full, cohesive package that looked good.
Gaffercake
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The detail and lighting in Unity is extraordinary, especially in interiors, this room in Palais Du Luxembourg is an absolute treat to look at
It looks amazing even on PS4
It looks amazing even on PS4
it runs better, looks better? no way.