Okay, where is the arrest of every other fucking Nazi at that rally?Christopher Cantwell is currently facing felony assault charges and was denied bond as of August 31st. What "justice" can vigilantism deliver to him that the current system isn't already delivering?
Okay, where is the arrest of every other fucking Nazi at that rally?
30 years from now there are going to be a lot of current day fence sitting moderates who will lie to their Grand kids about how they stood up against a modern day resurgence of Nazis and fascism. Better hope they don't know your internet handles because they'll see how you did nothing except excuse it.
Made him take off his armband, thereby removing his Nazi ideology.
Funny how fast Youtube acts when it wants to
These two posts are ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous and why we cannot have civil fucking discourse on this board anymore. I speak up against violence and point out the logical fallacy in asking minorities to take up arms against white supremacists and I am called a racist afraid of a black rebellion. The kind of mental hoops you have to take to get there is astonishing.
On the contrary. I am glad people who are NOT minorities are upset about discrimination against minorities. Be it against people of color, creed or sexual orientation. What I was pointing out was that as a minority and as a person whose close circle is just simply more minorities, we NEVER talk about violence like this. Self defense, sure. But going out and punching nazis and other racists we deal with on a daily basis? Never. I just wanted to know if i have been living in my own bubble where we dont just go out looking for trouble.
I guess so.
Christopher Cantwell is currently facing felony assault charges and was denied bond as of August 31st. What "justice" can vigilantism deliver to him that the current system isn't already delivering?
And First Amendment speech works quite well over here. In my opinion better than the euro-style hate speech laws.Why not exactly? Works quite well over here.
I feel like physically attacking nazis because they may perform horrible acts is like imprisoning radical islamists (without a trial) and subjecting them to torture at a black site like Guantanamo Bay, because they may one day perform horrible acts.
Here's a hypothetical:
How far do you think a brown dude with an ISIS armband would get?
On the contrary. I am glad people who are NOT minorities are upset about discrimination against minorities. Be it against people of color, creed or sexual orientation. What I was pointing out was that as a minority and as a person whose close circle is just simply more minorities, we NEVER talk about violence like this. Self defense, sure. But going out and punching nazis and other racists we deal with on a daily basis? Never. I just wanted to know if i have been living in my own bubble where we dont just go out looking for trouble.
I guess so.
I feel like physically attacking nazis because they may perform horrible acts is like imprisoning radical islamists (without a trial) and subjecting them to torture at a black site like Guantanamo Bay, because they may one day perform horrible acts.
You can be for it or you can be against. Wherever you fall on that, either is a valid viewpoint and you shouldn't shame people for having them. I was against preventative violence in the case of Guantanamo Bay. I hope you wouldn't shame me for that. And I hope you wouldn't shame me for being consistent in my views and being against preventative violence against nazis
Made him take off his armband, thereby removing his Nazi ideology.
I feel like physically attacking nazis because they may perform horrible acts is like imprisoning radical islamists (without a trial) and subjecting them to torture at a black site like Guantanamo Bay, because they may one day perform horrible acts.
You can be for it or you can be against. Wherever you fall on that, either is a valid viewpoint and you shouldn't shame people for having them. I was against preventative violence in the case of Guantanamo Bay. I hope you wouldn't shame me for that. And I hope you wouldn't shame me for being consistent in my views and being against preventative violence against nazis
Any where the only one to eventually get killed will be a neo-Nazi resisting the state's authority.Name a few.
Did they even arrest all the ones who were filmed stomping that black guy in the parking garage?Okay, where is the arrest of every other fucking Nazi at that rally?
Pretty muchIf you don't think I can clearly see the vast gulf between a punch to the face and being detained and tortured indefinitely, then you're being willfully obtuse.
I feel like physically attacking nazis because they may perform horrible acts is like imprisoning radical islamists (without a trial) and subjecting them to torture at a black site like Guantanamo Bay, because they may one day perform horrible acts.
You can be for it or you can be against. Wherever you fall on that, either is a valid viewpoint and you shouldn't shame people for having them. I was against preventative violence in the case of Guantanamo Bay. I hope you wouldn't shame me for that. And I hope you wouldn't shame me for being consistent in my views and being against preventative violence against nazis
Funny how fast Youtube acts when it wants to
If people start taking the law into their own hands it will end in chaos. There were at least 3 people there, wouldn't it be better if they immobilized him and hand him over to the police? Violence only leads to more violence.
Radical islamists aren't in the fucking white house. Radical islamists aren't getting easy pardons because "criticizing them will only entrench their views." No one is killed by a cop because that officer secretly has an ISIS flag in their basement.I feel like physically attacking nazis because they may perform horrible acts is like imprisoning radical islamists (without a trial) and subjecting them to torture at a black site like Guantanamo Bay, because they may one day perform horrible acts.
You can be for it or you can be against. Wherever you fall on that, either is a valid viewpoint and you shouldn't shame people for having them. I was against preventative violence in the case of Guantanamo Bay. I hope you wouldn't shame me for that. And I hope you wouldn't shame me for being consistent in my views and being against preventative violence against nazis
He won't be harassing people openly anymore. It's a win. It's not like reasoned discourse would have removed his nazi ideology. Sooooo
I assume the comment section was quick to hit it with a few billion flags and trigger some sort of automated take down.
They should have hugged him and then he wouldn't have been able to stab.Yes, let's just let Nazis spew their hate at random people on the bus and when we verbally confront them with no violence, very let's get stabbed to death for it.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...dead-1-injured-after-stabbing-in-portland-ore
Good. Nazis should be punched.
My only concern is that this is the USA: I worry that the lesson he takes from this is not that he shouldn't be a nazi, but that he should be carrying a gun, and the next time he goes out this escalates to a bunch of people getting shot.
Did they even arrest all the ones who were filmed stomping that black guy in the parking garage?
I feel like physically attacking nazis because they may perform horrible acts is like imprisoning radical islamists (without a trial) and subjecting them to torture at a black site like Guantanamo Bay, because they may one day perform horrible acts.
Maybe he'll throw the first punch next time. Or use a weapon to bring physical harm to someone. Progress? I don't think you can say he won't harass people. Things worked out okay today. It's tomorrow I'm worried about.He won't be harassing people openly anymore. It's a win. It's not like reasoned discourse would have removed his nazi ideology. Sooooo
And First Amendment speech works quite well over here. In my opinion better than the euro-style hate speech laws.
Also, the Supreme Court would (rightfully) strike down those laws. So first you'd have to retake the court. I think even still the liberal judges on the court aren't willing to just ignore the First Amendment. So I don't think it's actually a plausible goal.
And finally... I mean it's just an election loser. Put that plank in the 2020 Dem platform and enjoy a two-term Trump.
What makes that different from any other abhorrent comments section on youtube? Place is a disaster.
The only thing this Nazi asshole will learn of this is to carry pepper spray or something even more dangerous the next time he's going to harass people on the street.
Never underestimate the spiral of violence.
Maybe he'll throw the first punch next time. Or use a weapon to bring physical harm to someone. Progress?