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[Radec]

First of all, that name???

Really???

So?

Second of all, Nintendo does a lot of stupid shit but if their own titles don't move a lot of hardware, do you really believe they think a niche game that doesn't have a history of blowing up the charts will???

They made it happen probably first and foremost for some variety in their portfolio, not to be that gamechanger.

Why do you think Nintendo want some variety on their portfolio?

To attract other gamers in buying WiiU. Which it didn't.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Its a shame but Bayo 2 was destined to die commercially on Wii U. Alteast the first game being multiplat was excused for bombing due to not knowing how good it was until it was out and getting rave reviews. And it got about 1 million 250 thousand....not good but not bad. Due to the hype of it coming out, i have no doubt Bayo 2 would have sold very well had it been on more platforms.

But Nintendo somehow, was the only one to get it going again after Sega refused to finish paying for development, and so Nintendo has my thanks for getting this sequel out to the masses so they could enjoy it. It would have been a shame if we had never gotten a sequel to begin with.

 

[AniHawk]

anyone could have funded it, i guess nintendo approached them pretty fast? or they took their offer because it was generous? who knows, but the original didn't sell so bad for it to be dead permanently. it was viewed very positively in the gaming community, it might have gotten some funding if they waited for sometime. just look at how much someone raised to make a salad at a crowdfunding website lol.

if anyone could have funded it, they would have. it was a dead project in the first half of 2012, and this was known in the industry to the point where rumors were out. in september 2012, the game was revealed for wii u. word gets around on the inside track so it could have been a matter of weeks where bayonetta 2 was a dead project, or it could have been a matter of months. if microsoft really wanted the project, they could have outspent nintendo on it as they've done in the past. if sony wanted the project, they could have tried themselves. if you're angry at any publisher for this game's exclusivity on the wii u, it should be directed at any publisher that isn't nintendo.

 

[AniHawk]

It's similar to Geist, Eternal Darkness, and other obscure, mature titles that Nintendo considers "1st-party." Of course it's not a recognisable Nintendo IP...that's the point. It seems like a "non-Nintendo" game but really it's quite the opposite.

So when people say "Nintendo fans need to buy more non-Nintendo games" in relation to Bayonetta 2, it's the opposite. They need to support Nintendo even more!

unlike geist and eternal darkness, i believe bayonetta as an ip belongs to either sega or platinum (i think sega?). very technically, it's a third-party game exclusive to a first-party publisher. the same is true of sunset overdrive. however, some sort of exclusivity deal might have been worked into the kinks somehow, like with goldeneye for the n64.

 

[Bronetta]

if anyone could have funded it, they would have. it was a dead project in the first half of 2012, and this was known in the industry to the point where rumors were out. in september 2012, the game was revealed for wii u. word gets around on the inside track so it could have been a matter of weeks where bayonetta 2 was a dead project, or it could have been a matter of months. if microsoft really wanted the project, they could have outspent nintendo on it as they've done in the past. if sony wanted the project, they could have tried themselves. if you're angry at any publisher for this game's exclusivity on the wii u, it should be directed at any publisher that isn't nintendo.

Why Nintendo of all publishers? They're already DOOMED!

 

[Ostinatto]

Why do you think Nintendo want some variety on their portfolio?

To attract other gamers in buying WiiU. Which it didn't.

Same thing with The Last Guardian then? 8 or 9 years making a niche game to attract gamers in buying PS4?

 

[Radec]

Same thing with The Last Guardian then? 8 or 9 years making a niche game to attract gamers in buying PS4?

Except The Last Guardian is dead.

 

[UncleLeo!?]

All those saying it was destined to die on Wii U, it wasn't going to break sales records on PS4 or Xbox One either. This sounds like a GameFAQs thread, and I came from that place so I know what it's like. And VG Chartz isn't quite as bad as it used to be you know.

Spoiler

I'm trying to get banned if you haven't figure it out, hentai will be coming next.

 

[Ponn]

So when people say "Nintendo fans need to buy more non-Nintendo games" in relation to Bayonetta 2, it's the opposite. They need to support Nintendo even more!

Here it is, I was wondering what the excuse would be and this is going to be it. "This isnt a good third party game not selling because Nintendo paid them so it doesnt count."

Im out, done, wash my hands. Continue with the excuses after excuses after excuses. Nintendo fans have helped to make the own bed they are sleeping in. Like ir, fine, just stop complaining about third parties. I just cant take any of the complaints or arguments seriously anymore.

 

[Ostinatto]

Except The Last Guardian is dead.

All those saying it was destined to die on Wii U, it wasn't going to break sales records on PS4 or Xbox One either. This sounds like a GameFAQs thread, and I came from that place so I know what it's like. And VG Chartz isn't quite as bad as it used to be you know.

Spoiler

I'm trying to get banned if you haven't figure it out, hentai will be coming next.

ROFL your name and avatar !!!

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

All those saying it was destined to die on Wii U, it wasn't going to break sales records on PS4 or Xbox One either. This sounds like a GameFAQs thread, and I came from that place so I know what it's like. And VG Chartz isn't quite as bad as it used to be you know.

Spoiler

I'm trying to get banned if you haven't figure it out, hentai will be coming next.

 

[Aquamarine]

Here it is, I was wondering what the excuse would be and this is going to be it. "This isnt a good third party game not selling because Nintendo paid them so it doesnt count."

Im out, done, wash my hands. Continue with the excuses after excuses after excuses. Nintendo fans have helped to make the own bed they are sleeping in. Like ir, fine, just stop complaining about third parties. I just cant take any of the complaints or arguments seriously anymore.

Pokemon is made by a third-party developer. Nintendo doesn't directly own the majority of the Pokemon IP. Is Pokemon a third-party game?

Bayonetta 2 is made by a third-party developer. Nintendo doesn't directly own the majority of the Bayonetta IP. Is Bayonetta 2 a third-party game?

 

[Ferr986]

anyone could have funded it, i guess nintendo approached them pretty fast? or they took their offer because it was generous? who knows, but the original didn't sell so bad for it to be dead permanently. it was viewed very positively in the gaming community, it might have gotten some funding if they waited for sometime. just look at how much someone raised to make a salad at a crowdfunding website lol.

It was Sega who suggested PG to collab with Nintendo, if Im not mistaken.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

I wonder if Scalebound will sell more, just because it will be aggressively advertised by Microsoft.

 

[nded]

Niche M-rated game on an unpopular Nintendo console.

I'm just glad it got made in the first place.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

The most annoying thing about this is that a way inferior game (hyrule warriors) comes out a couple weeks earlier and sells way better.

 

[Ponn]

Pokemon is made by a third-party developer. Nintendo doesn't directly own the majority of the Pokemon IP. Is Pokemon a third-party game?

Bayonetta 2 is made by a third-party developer. Nintendo doesn't directly own the majority of the Bayonetta IP. Is Bayonetta 2 a third-party game?

You win the semantics argument which I already said i recognized. Now third parties watch as the Wii U userbase clamor to Smash Bros and Mario Kart while leaving Bayonetta sitting there DESPITE claims of wanting new, fresh, polished, exclusive games. They are totally going to see that and say "Well, Nintendo paid for it so that shouldnt influence our decision it bombed" But hey, you are technically right, so yayyy.

 

[Shiggy]

By this point, everybody knows that there's no audience for such titles on Wii U.

 

[Mithos]

By this point, everybody knows that there's no audience for such titles on Wii U.

And that is why its AWESOME that Nintendo is getting them done anyways, it's the thing that differentiate them and 3rd parties.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Scalebound is next, will bomb even harder in Japan.

That's true, but MS won't be expecting it to do well over there; its performance in North America and the UK will probably determine if it's a success. Plus, it's a year and a half until launch, so there's plenty of time to increase the Xbone user base before then.

 

[UncleLeo!?]

ROFL your name and avatar !!!

Y? Anyway, I made a promise and it must be kept.

I don't really watch this stuff and I tried a few images but they wouldn't show here. NeoGAF, you disappointed me, all I heard about this place is how easy it is to get banned and you couldn't do it.

 

[EGM1966]

Expected. Title was funded as part of a plan to expand Wii U library I'm sure so if it sells modestly WW that's probably good enough.

This title was never simultaneously going to increase Wii U sales and sell hugely itself.

I see it as part of a plan to try and slowly increase attractiveness and breadth of Wii U's overall library.

 

[Aquamarine]

Y? Anyway, I made a promise and it must be kept.

I don't really watch this stuff and I tried a few images but they wouldn't show here. NeoGAF, you disappointed me, all I heard about this place is how easy it is to get banned and you couldn't do it.

 

[SwiftDeath]

How did this thread manage to get even more off the rails?

 

[SmokyDave]

How did this thread manage to get even more off the rails?

Iwata accidentally outed his GAF account.

 

[ReiGun]

As account suicides go, thats weak shit.

On topic, sad to see but not unexpected. I'm curious how Scalebound will do.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

what the hell is even going on

 

[Nemecyst]

By this point, everybody knows that there's no audience for such titles on Wii U.

And by this point, everybody knows that there's no audience for this title on PS/Xbox or Nintendo wouldn't have had to fund it.


Just fucking with ya, Shiggy. But whether 30k or 1+ million, an audience is still an audience. It just might not be enough for a ROI or our subjective definitions, but it's there. A cupcake compared to a full-sheet cake, is still a cake. Now bake up some more goodies Nintendo, daddy got the munchies something awful.

 

[Earthpainting]

Unfortunate, but not entirely unexpected. This was never going to do amazingly, so it's best to appreciate that we got it at all. We seem to be getting it in an uncompromised state as well, since it may be tempting to nickel and dime the few people that are interested with DLC and all that jazz. Instead we get a full-featured game and even a port of the original. All elements that needlessly increase the negative numbers of a project that was destined to lose money, so I hope for them that these gestures of goodwill won't go unnoticed by the core-gamer audience.

 

[Blues1990]

I feel frustrated that Platinum Games isn't getting the sales from their products, especially since The Wonderful 101 & Anarchy Reigns were both incredible games that had otherwise received little acknowledgement (at least among the general public) upon their release. Also, it's just as frustrating that you can't convince non-Wii U owners that The Wonderful 101 (or any of the other excellent ports that were released on the console, such as Need for Speed: Most Wanted U) are worth picking up the system for.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I feel frustrated that Platinum Games isn't getting the sales from their products, especially since The Wonderful 101 & Anarchy Reigns were both incredible games that had otherwise received little acknowledgement (at least among the general public) upon their release. Also, it's just as frustrating that you can't convince non-Wii U owners that The Wonderful 101 (or any of the other excellent ports that were released on the console, such as Need for Speed: Most Wanted U) are worth picking up the system for.

They're still some of the best developers in the business though and they know that and the fans that their games resonate with know that.

Kamiya recently with the announcement of The Wonderful 101 soundtrack acknowledged how the people really liked the game(no matter how few).

 

[Mik317]

By this point, everybody knows that there's no audience for such titles on Wii U.

and when people don't support it to help create said audience...they will have no one to blame but themselves.

No there isn't an audience for it but it's for once not because Nintendo didn't try. In the past they'd throw out a Giest and then go "welp, guess thats that" and go back to Mario Party 34.

This time that audience got NG3:ME (not great but better than Vanillia...which...isn't saying much..lol), W101, Bayoneta 2, Zombi U, and something else I am forgetting. Not amazingly great games all but still an genuine effort at it for once. It will not work obviously but an effort was placed (not a herculean one mind you partilly due to them having to take funds in order to fix their other fuck ups).

and here's the thing...the Wii, the casual POS console to many, had a lot of great "core" games too...some of which from Nintendo that dudes ignored (SaP2...fuck all yall).

I am just tired of the excuses Nintendo fans have made about the "safe moves" Nintendo makes or how they want new experiences and then they get them and don't support them at all. That old addage of non-Nintendo games don't sell on Nintendo consoles gets proven every bomba...fuck even some Nintendo games get the shaft.

That is the situation...so when this bombs and you didn't buy it...I don't want to hear shit from you when Mario Ultimate Frisbee hits.

 

[UncleLeo!?]

As account suicides go, thats weak shit.

I'm sorry what am I supposed to do? Please guide me, whenever I hear people getting banned on GAF it's cause they made an anti-Sony joke. Since I want to get banned I can say this now, I hate how this place is full of PC master race people that always have to make a point of how every game runs better on PC. Like with Destiny all I was hearing was how people were gonna wait for PC cause 60 FPS.

 

[manzo]

Y? Anyway, I made a promise and it must be kept.

I don't really watch this stuff and I tried a few images but they wouldn't show here. NeoGAF, you disappointed me, all I heard about this place is how easy it is to get banned and you couldn't do it.

Best account suicide ever, I kinda liked you..

 

[OminoMichelin]

I'm sorry what am I supposed to do? Please guide me, whenever I hear people getting banned on GAF it's cause they made an anti-Sony joke. Since I want to get banned I can say this now, I hate how this place is full of PC master race people that always have to make a point of how every game runs better on PC. Like with Destiny all I was hearing was how people were gonna wait for PC cause 60 FPS.

I'm sure you can do better than this.

 

[Wazzy]

That's pretty tame for an account suicide.

 

[Biker19]

At least it's outperforming The Wonderful 101.


First week sales:

The Wonderful 101 - 6,663 copies

Bayonetta 1 + 2 - 33,114 copies

LOL, damn. That's just awful. And it's a good game.

 

[Shion]

By this point, everybody knows that there's no audience for such titles on Wii U.

At this point, there's no audience for anything on Nintendo consoles...unless the game features Mario on the cover.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

At this point, there's no audience for anything on Nintendo consoles...unless the game features Mario on the cover.

Splatoon is going to shock the world.

 

[dreamfall]

What the hell is going on in here?!

 

[Starwolf_UK]

You know that saying about bringing water to a horse...the horse is the Wii U audience here and the water is Bayonetta 2. Plus it wasn't some cheap tap water, this was premium product taken from some spring and filtered...

To try a different spin. Launch prices?

 

[UncleLeo!?]

Would you guys say TrentStrong's suicide was better? I think it's funny, but pretty tame. I found some furry porn at 4Chan.

That is so fucking weird.
EDIT: Got rid of it cause it was just too weird, it was freaking me out.

 

[SparksterMeta0]

I hope we get some advertising for this game.
We had [literally] none for W101, right?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I hope we get some advertising for this game.
I we had [literally] none for W101, right?

Yeah, I am wondering if there will even be any TV commercials.

Probably just some advertising on social media.

 

[EDarkness]

I'm sorry what am I supposed to do? Please guide me, whenever I hear people getting banned on GAF it's cause they made an anti-Sony joke. Since I want to get banned I can say this now, I hate how this place is full of PC master race people that always have to make a point of how every game runs better on PC. Like with Destiny all I was hearing was how people were gonna wait for PC cause 60 FPS.

Why not just stop posting and checking the site? Seems easier than doing something like this. If you don't like it, then simply close your browser window and move on to something you do.

Also, that was a pretty weak attempt at hentai. Save yourself the drama and simply stop posting and move on with your life.

 

[Into]

What the hell is going on in here?!

UncleLeo is having a meltdown

It happens typically with sales or review threads.

 

[Mohonky]

what the hell is even going on

Wii U doomed thread. Games sent to die. Games sales directly proportional to enjoyment factor.

With jailbait and furry porn thrown in for good measure.

 

[Atrarock]

I'm sorry what am I supposed to do? Please guide me, whenever I hear people getting banned on GAF it's cause they made an anti-Sony joke. Since I want to get banned I can say this now, I hate how this place is full of PC master race people that always have to make a point of how every game runs better on PC. Like with Destiny all I was hearing was how people were gonna wait for PC cause 60 FPS.

Dude, there are better ways. Being more to the point and...well nicer is one way. Or making extremely good posts like this :

Nintendo's funding of Bayonetta 2 is precisely the kind of pro-consumer move we need to encourage with our wallets. In our current-gen climate of AAA oneupmanship, greedy cash grabs through overpriced season passes and day one DLC and retailer exclusive pre-order bonuses, not to mention content-starved microtransaction-dependent releases, Bayonetta 2 is one of the rare titles that shames these money driven practices by representing everything games should be.

Just listen to how devoted the developers are to the important things: creating exceptional gameplay, improving on the original Bayonetta's already genre-defining design, and going the extra mile to include enough bonus content for years of DLC support (all on-disk and free of charge). There's a mountain of substance beneath all that style, because Platinum actually cares about making great games, and Nintendo was willing to help them achieve that.

If you don't support this game because you think it's a "bad business decision," I can't imagine what would qualify as a good one. The issue at stake here is how the market rewards or punishes game companies for putting players first instead of exploiting us for a better bottom line. How do you want to be treated as a player and a consumer? If you love skeletal AAA behemoths like Destiny that overpromise and underdeliver, you can say so by watching Bayonetta 2 bomb. Or you can do your part to support companies full of people who would love to bring you more content rich titles that focus on great gameplay above all, if only they could afford it.

Which you quoted as well. I honestly hate seeing people get banned, especially if they're actually good people. Don't do this :c

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Kind of a weak account suicide if you ask me.

Bayo 2 was always going to bomb, it's a niche game on the Wii U, and I'm happy Nintendo funded it, I'm buying it day 1.

 

[Cosmic Dreams]

At least it's outperforming The Wonderful 101.


First week sales:

The Wonderful 101 - 6,663 copies

Bayonetta 1 + 2 - 33,114 copies

Apparently, from a friend of mine who lives in Tokyo, many people consider the Wii U to be "uninteresting" with "lackluster titles" (besides smash and a couple other titles apparently).

Some also claim it's a "child's game system compared to PS4"

Is this true, JapanGAF? I hope not.

EDIT - Reason i'm saying this is because these sales numbers are terrible and I believe this franchise deserves better so i'm really trying to figure out why it's so low here. lol

EDIT 2 - I'm not trying to start anything here, just geniunely curious (and disappointed) about this.