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that's just ridiculous Capcom -.-
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Before playing RE6, know these mechanics since Capcom don't teach poop
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that's just ridiculous Capcom -.-I guess Capcom got greedy and figured what they'd save in paper was worth it (having shipped 4.5 million, which means Capcom already has their money from the stores that bought stock). It's sad, because this game has great mechanics but Capcom does their best to not tell you about them.Oh
Yes a penny saved and as a tradeoff some people don't know how to play the game and that's probably one of the reason ratings suffered as well.
Probably not the best way of saving money
Dance Inferno
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with the animation or hitboxes or enemy reactions. I really don't know what people are thinking of when they say things like this. Can you give us some examples?
Nemesis_
Member
I think people want the canned animations from RE4/RE5 that they're familiar with, or something.
Yeah, if anything I love how the combat flow in RE6 can segue uninterrupted from one pixel-perfect headshot/melee combo into a counter and then a series of quick shots, like you're some sort of Ballerina of Death.
This video is great. Sectus, could you link to some of your other choice videos?
Glad to see many people digging the game as they learn the mechanics and flow. The mechanics are simple to do -- it's just a matter of learning when and where to use them. Easy to learn, deep to master.
I'm not sure which ones to link to. I'm uploading one right now which is a full 150 combo on a map with javo in duo. That might be a good one.
Yeah, share that one when it's ready to showcase more of the enemy variety.
papersleeves
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Would you mind hosting it somewhere where I can download it without creating an account?
I wonder if Capcom will patch in a Tutorial mode. I recall a recent interview with OXM (iirc) where the game's director lamented not having time to implement a "stress-free" training area where people could learn the game's mechanics. Seems like something that would be easy enough to integrate into the campaign select screen, alongside the Prelude and four campaigns. It could be like an academy set at the BSAA, where you're asked to perform each maneuver several times, including tagging targets for your AI partner and auto-mixing/loading herbs. I'm thinking something like TF2's character-by-character tutorials.
This is the manual we got in Europe.
That's way better than what we got in the US:
That's it. An ad.
I also don't recall there being a controller diagram in the actual game. I didn't see one on any loading screens, and any tips that were on those screens I couldn't read because the game loaded too fast (I had the game installed).
It is an absolute failure on the game to not include a tutorial or in-game manual, and the game SHOULD be docked for that, because not everyone will know where to go to get that information, or even have access to it. And it's not the job of a critic to teach people how to play the game. They didn't have a cool topic dedicated to discussing the mechanics that the game hides from you. It's not their fault. It's the game's.
The people reading this topic, however, have the resources right in front of them to enjoy the game. They also have a free demo to try it out. So, really, there's no excuse for you guys' not knowing the controls.
I actually learned the dodging and sliding mechanics by experimentation with the demo. The demo actually does have a controller diagram during the load screens that spells out most of the control inputs to you. So, in a sense, the demo does a better job explaining the mechanics than the actual game.
That's way better than what we got in the US:
That's it. An ad.
I also don't recall there being a controller diagram in the actual game. I didn't see one on any loading screens, and any tips that were on those screens I couldn't read because the game loaded too fast (I had the game installed).
It is an absolute failure on the game to not include a tutorial or in-game manual, and the game SHOULD be docked for that, because not everyone will know where to go to get that information, or even have access to it. And it's not the job of a critic to teach people how to play the game. They didn't have a cool topic dedicated to discussing the mechanics that the game hides from you. It's not their fault. It's the game's.
The people reading this topic, however, have the resources right in front of them to enjoy the game. They also have a free demo to try it out. So, really, there's no excuse for you guys' not knowing the controls.
I actually learned the dodging and sliding mechanics by experimentation with the demo. The demo actually does have a controller diagram during the load screens that spells out most of the control inputs to you. So, in a sense, the demo does a better job explaining the mechanics than the actual game.
As much as I like the game, that's definitely a very valid complaint. I think the small manual with the European version does a good enough job to explain you the very basics so you know what to experiment with (the onlline manual is even better, which is what should have come with the game). It's inexcusable the US version came with nothing. It's weird it doesn't even mention the online manual, which is pretty good.
Yep, I've said it before and I'll say it again, if there's one thing to penalize this game for (at least more so than anything else), it's the devastating combo of no instruction booklet (in the U.S., at least) and no in-game tutorial. The mechanics are clearly fun, not to mention intuitive enough to learn and execute, but it's like Capcom tried their best to hide it, lol. Hopefully they'll patch in a training mode to explain the major new mechanics like sliding, diving, rolling, dodging, counters, quick shots, etc. The game needs a tutorial. It's otherwise a great game.
Actually, Capcom did a big mistake (although less so than the US one) with the European manual. It links to the online manual, but the link is wrong. It links to http://game.capcom.com/manual/re6 which just leads to what I assume is a Japanese 404 message.
The real manual is at: http://game.capcom.com/manual/bio6/en/index.html
I think that manual might be a good idea to link to in the OP too, as it does a pretty good job explaining the basics.
The real manual is at: http://game.capcom.com/manual/bio6/en/index.html
I think that manual might be a good idea to link to in the OP too, as it does a pretty good job explaining the basics.
I will add this to the OP!
Another tip I find useful: Field Medic. This skill is a godsend. Basically, when you're crawling on the ground in critical condition, this skill enables your AI partner to restore some health when they revive you -- they use a (never-ending) pill dispenser instead of a syringe. This way you won't be knocked back to red as soon as you stand back up.
Hopefully the PC version will come out soon (and include a No Mercy mode in Mercs)!
TheBryanJZX90
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So I'm going back to the demo with the OP here in front of me and having some problems. If I attempt to hit forward + L1 + X any one of three things can happen. Sometimes I slide, sometimes I just put my shoulder down, and sometimes I roll forward. I guess this is just a timing issue, where the shoulder down happens when L1 and X registers before forward, and the roll happens when L1 registers, then forward, then X, but I can't reliably get the slide to come out. Seems pretty finicky.
Tap forward - Roll forward
Running + L1 + X - Slide
Stand still + L1 + X - Front dodge.
I'm trying to translate this from the Xbox controls, but that's how I pull that off, no finicky at all, IMO.
TheBryanJZX90
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No, I know I read the first post. It's just that as the first post says, forward + L1 + X should give you a forward slide from a standing position. And sometimes it does. But sometimes it doesn't. I know that it's partially timing on my part, but its kind of finicky because there doesn't seem to be a very big variation in what I am doing but I can get three different outcomes.
Haunted
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Bookmarked when I pick the game up in a Steam sale.
Hold A: Unused is always the one that gets me.
The Xtortionist
Member
It depends on the ordering. If your direction isn't fully recognized when you press X, you'l get a duck (press X again to cancel into a roll). If you hit X and forward before aiming, you'll slide. It's generally not a good idea to hit everything at the same time. If you want to instantly dodge forward, I'd recommend ducking (X with no direction while aiming) then cancelling into the dodge. If you want to slide, be sure to press X and forward before aiming. If you want to roll left/right or backwards, pressing all 3 should work, but tap X an extra time in case you accidentally duck.
polyh3dron
Banned
Dude it's Wario.Great post! This makes me want to go pick up the game.
All the people calling this as complicated as a fighting game ... wow lol. In depth move lists are something to cry about now? You guys are really everything that's wrong with action gaming.
"Here's some neat moves you can use in this action game, try them out!"
"Too much work, I'll just watch it on youtube."
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Can we get this added to the OP?
TheBryanJZX90
Member
Ahh. This helped. Thanks!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Oh, and here's something the OP doesn't mention
CHANGE THE AIMING TO AT LEAST 7
TURN THE CAMERA DOWN TO 2 OR 3
Now the game will still be VERY boring, mind you, with dull combat, tedious QTEs, vapid storytelling, hours of repetitive areas, shit boss fights, etc. But you at least be able to use the right stick and not feel like a complete spaz.
CHANGE THE AIMING TO AT LEAST 7
TURN THE CAMERA DOWN TO 2 OR 3
Now the game will still be VERY boring, mind you, with dull combat, tedious QTEs, vapid storytelling, hours of repetitive areas, shit boss fights, etc. But you at least be able to use the right stick and not feel like a complete spaz.
I actually did mention those settings, if you read the OP.
Just found this awesome Mercs run -- gets crazy around the 9-minute mark.
Watch the Mercs video -- it's perfectly easy to follow the action. Game is addictive as hell.
No because this isn't a troll thread.
You don't hit them all at the same time, that's why it's messing up for you. To do the slide from a stand still, you have to actually hit and hold X first to start running, then hit L1 to slide. It's just that you can do this in a split second, but you're still hitting X first.
To do the roll forward, you hold L1 for a split second, then dive forward with X. You can do this very rapidly, but you're still hitting L1 first.
Damn, that stage looks brutal. I guess that's one of the pre-order stages?
jim-jam bongs
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yolandi avatar and named after a nirvana song? this is weird, I think I have a favourite junior member.
It varies based on how long it takes for the stockholm syndrome to sink in.
I'll return as a defender as soon as I play it...just watch.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
I play with aiming at 8 and camera at 9 and I wouldn't have it any other way. I can swivel the camera around instantaneously to see what's around me and I hardly get blindsided this way. Most people prefer the camera down at 2 or 3 but that just hinders your ability to get a good view of what's around you.
I enjoyed it from the get-go, but some of the most ardent fans of this game on GAF (Neiteio and Sojgat) hated the game when they first played it. So, it depends.
McBradders
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I can't stop playing it because every time I think it's sunk to the absolute depths of either poor map design or beyond fucking ludicrous (not in a good way) storytelling action set piece, it manages to say "Yo, dude, no... we just topped it again!"
The game is incredible.
Dance Inferno
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It sucks that you're not enjoying it but I thought the game as a whole was very well done. Each chapter felt unique and interesting, and you never feel like you're doing the same thing over again, which is appreciated in a 25-hour game.
Riposte
Member
A certain boss fight aside, lol.
I hated the demo and originally thought I'd just skip RE6 and go straight to Dishonored (which you may recall -- and I'm too lazy to link it -- received a massive hype thread from me). But then I tried the demo again, on a whim, and started to warm up to it. Before I knew it, it clicked, and now I love it -- everything just flows right, soaking up details, climbing and jumping around the map, sliding into combat and rolling all over the place. I just find RE6 endlessly playable, and very difficult to put down. I finish a round of Mercs and feel a hankering to revisit various scenes in the campaign, and vice-versa. I love it.
(And I'll still get to Dishonored and XCOM at some point)Jive Turkey
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Haha this thread was one of the topics on this week's episode of Checkpoint.
MightyHedgehog
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Yeah, the game honestly makes me wonder if I'm in some bizarro universe where the game is actually good, even great...I keep seeing the same seven members spend hundreds of posts across three threads educating everyone on how it's just misunderstood or something. Sorry, guys, my standards are just not that malleable no matter how much I want to like it, as a whole. I held out as long as I could before breaking down and picking it up for Mercs play. IMO, RE6 is quite easily the worst RE I've ever bought...maybe the worst current generation Capcom game I've played. Feels like something that would've really been okay in that Sonic Adventure kind of way, back in '99 or 2000. Really wish Mercs had been released separately as an XBLA/PSN title and saved me a chunk of cash and time. Just an exercise in constant disappointment for me. I don't even care about the fluff content with the story or characters, either. Holding out hope that Capcom will release a mega patch to do something with it...otherwise, this is a Mercs-only $60 purchase.
Posted something like this in the other thread, but :
In theory vs a pack of zombies :
Quick shot (stun), shoot arm (spin), equip remote mines - slide into zombie and spin him around and drop mine), finish zombie with a melee, walk away and detonate remote mine to kill the rest.
My brain isn't wired to do weapon switches mid combo like that though, but that would be absolutely slick to pull off.
In theory vs a pack of zombies :
Quick shot (stun), shoot arm (spin), equip remote mines - slide into zombie and spin him around and drop mine), finish zombie with a melee, walk away and detonate remote mine to kill the rest.
My brain isn't wired to do weapon switches mid combo like that though, but that would be absolutely slick to pull off.
So basically
Stagger someone, run up, do a contextual take down.
Counter an enemy attack by pressing the button when it shows up on the screen.
If its too much dive and slide away.
Miss your shots a lot. (controller joke)
But seriously, unless I'm missing something doesn't seem all that deep as you guys are making it out to be.
McBradders
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I wasn't kidding when I said it was incredible, I want to keep playing so bad.
Riposte
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Breakdowns like these are not actually helpful for action games and if you wanted to you could more or less do the same thing about the most adored games. I think you are missing a lot, actually. For example one shouldn't just overlook the aiming and shooting (especially precise shooting of body parts), as that connection between the player and game has been enough of a joy to be the centerpiece of several genres. You could more or less say the same thing with the satisfaction of a well-placed dodge (and following up that dodge) or contextual melee, which are features that are more unique to RE6 and build around the shooting mechanics quite naturally. Similar to that, you are overlooking reflexive depth, the knowledge more concerned with honing your reflexes to use and defend against the game's attacks. For example counters are not particularly easy to execute, so you shouldn't rely on them unless you have a better way to judge than the prompt. This also makes them more satisfying.
Resident Evil 6 is not among the deepest action games (but then neither was Resident Evil 4, the sacred cow), but the mechanics are very rewarding. If I had to put into clearer words why I like RE6's combat system it would be that the game gives you a large set of options in your pocket, that all mesh well together (terrible, ignorable cover aside), and puts you against interesting, varied enemies which make use of these mechanics. RE6 is at its best in the heat of the moment where you are constantly switching between shooting, sliding, quick-shot, raw melee, contextual melee, going prone, dodging in various directions, fast weapon switching, etc. The game punishes your failure to dodge with heavily damaging lunges and grabs (rewards you with advantageous position with a good dodge), it punishes your inefficiency with low ammo(rewards with powerful contextual melee or weak points for good aiming), and it punishes your abuse of slide and melee with low stamina(rewards you for employing methods of recovering stamina, such as staying prone after a dodge). At its best it gives you layouts with multiple levels and many paths to take. While it doesn't feel as strict of a co-op game as Resident Evil 5 on Professional did, it sort of makes up for it in other ways (I particularly like the role Piers had in the Chris campaign as the "sniper" character, both when the game kept you together or separated you).
I actually don't think Mercenaries is the best form of RE6. It comes off as easier and makes up for it with a combo system meant add pressure. It works, but I prefer the better moments of the campaign.