Monorojo said:Yay a rich company is making a lot of money!
Lets all throw a party and pretend we somehow gain from this!
:lol
....says the guy who tries to spin PSP game revenue in Japanese sales threads.
Monorojo said:Yay a rich company is making a lot of money!
Lets all throw a party and pretend we somehow gain from this!
:lol
They are losing market share but the market is getting bigger, in the end that is all that matters to them. When you have over 90% of any market it is only going to go down from there. Does anybody really expect Sony to own the same percent of the market they did this generation with the PS3? Honestly, you're only fooling your-self if you do.Monk said:Geez guys, you are not looking at the big picture, THEY ARE LOSING MARKETSHARE! Sooner or later it's going to bite them in the ass.
Fixed.mj1108 said:....says the guy who tries to spin PSP game revenue in every sales thread.
JavyOO7 said:I basically look at it like this. Nintendo should've had a powerful next-gen system compared to the likes of PS3/Xbox360, should've supported HD, and basically mimick (sp?) what the competitors had along with the FSC of course. Since they'yre not... oh well. I see it that if Nintendo dissapointments me tremendously with the Revolution I can always buy another system so it really doesn't matter to me in the end. I win either way.
Amir0x said:HD = objectively superior. One day when you do get an HDTV, guess which systems you're going to get a functional benefit from. We DO need it, because it's fucking better. Period. And one day, whether it's ten years in the future, you're going to be able to go back to PS3 and 360 and realize how much better.
This is not some vague concept that has pros and cons. Factually superior.
Anyone who denies this needs to get the mother fuck out of the god damn short pool.
I don't remember taking the consumer poll. It's funny how Sony and M$ fanboys always seem bring up this argument. Consumers are a diverse group. Just because you don't find Nintendo's products appealing doesn't mean noone else does.dog$ said:Like always - Nintendo feels much more comfortable in telling consumers what they want instead of giving consumers what they want.
DSExpress said:so would you guys rather have another console that is basically like PS3 and Xbox 360 or a totally different console like the Revolution that truly does something different for gaming? We had basically 3 of the same consoles this generation and nothing was special about them between each other, sure 1 had a hdd, but the games were all the same.
GitarooMan said:Personally, yes, I'd like to have a Nintendo system that is as powerful as PS3/360 because Nintendo makes great games and I'd like to experience them on modern tech with the Revmote.
cybamerc said:I don't remember taking the consumer poll. It's funny how Sony and M$ fanboys always seem bring up this argument. Consumers are a diverse group. Just because you don't find Nintendo's products appealing doesn't mean noone else does.
It's proof that some people are enjoying Nintendo's games. Whether or not those people post on this forum is irrelevant. You may find this hard to believe but there's a whole world outside of your computer.BlueTsunami said:I love how Nintendo fans, point to expansion of the market and whatnot. What does that have to do with your enjoyment of games?
cybamerc said:I don't remember taking the consumer poll. It's funny how Sony and M$ fanboys always seem bring up this argument. Consumers are a diverse group. Just because you don't find Nintendo's products appealing doesn't mean noone else does.
It's pretty fun to compete against your significant other or family members in braintraining, I don't know why you wouldn't want to participant in such a situation. Everyone I know that has brought back a copy from gdc that has a significant other has not seen their copy in quite a while.BlueTsunami said:I say this because Nintendos fanbase is going to be dilluted with Non-Gamers that enjoy these games. If this ever happens on a large scale, I know i'll be staying away from Nintendo products. Nintendo fans seems to embracing this.
mj1108 said:Some here need to realize that what YOU want is NOT what everyone else wants. Then again, most consumers likely don't even know what they want to begin with.
clearacell said:Good to know Nintendo is here to tell me right :lol
cybamerc said:It's proof that some people are enjoying Nintendo's games. Whether or not those people post on this forum is irrelevant. You may find this hard to believe but there's a whole world outside of your computer.
elostyle said:It's pretty fun to compete against your significant other or family members in braintraining, I don't know why you wouldn't want to participant in such a situation.
Monorojo said:Yay a rich company is making a lot of money!
Lets all throw a party and pretend we somehow gain from this!
:lol
dog$ said:Like always - Nintendo feels much more comfortable in telling consumers what they want instead of giving consumers what they want.
Not surprising when these are the results, sure.
Better graphics and physics do not rule out gameplay innovation. But Nintendo wants to differentiate itself from the competition. If the Rev matched the Xbox 360 and PS3 in specs it would not only have to priced similarly but it would also be treated similarly by developers. And the end result would probably be that once again Nintendo loses marketshare while the overall continues to stagnate.clearacell said:The thing about Nintendo is that they're a gaming-only company, so it would make sense that their focus would be on new systems whose focus is new gameplay rather than beefed up graphics and physics.
DefectiveReject said:Okay so some guys want to buy a Revolution, and are effictively being laughed at by others for this?
You want HD graphics, get yourself a PS3 and be quiet, no one berates you for this?
Trurl said:Of course it has cons. HD eats up extra RAM causing a console that supports it to have to be more expensive. I have a crappy SD television now so should I buy a DVD player or should I get a $1000 Blu-Ray player? As far as the format is concerned Blu-Ray is objectively far superior to DVD but I will be paying much more money for something that will give me nothing more than a DVD player (except the ability to record). The situation is the same with the Rev. though less drastic, by forgoing HD Nintendo can do more with less RAM thus giving me more for my money.
cybamerc said:How do you feel about connectivity?
cybamerc said:While I'm personally annoyed that Rev won't support HD I disagree that it's "objectively superior". HD increases costs: it makes the system more expensive and arguably also the games. These costs are passed on to consumers. But maybe there are people who are not interested in spending $400 for a next gen system and $60 for games. That's what Nintendo is betting on.
if there are advantages and disadvantages to HD (which there are), it isn't "objectively superior" at all. It's superior for your wants and needs, but your preferences don't cover the entire spectrum.Amir0x said:It is objectively superior. It's not something that's actually up for debate. Resolution is higher. Systems that support HD will always eventually come down in price; SD will always be inferior no matter what the price.
Scrow said:if there are advantages and disadvantages to HD (which there are), it isn't "objectively superior" at all. It's superior for your wants and needs, but your preferences don't cover the entire spectrum.
"It's not something that's actually up for debate."? Give me a break. As though you're the be-all and end-all on anything.
Urge to kill....rising. If there is one thing that just irks the hell out of me, it's when people throw around this true gamer garbage. There is no standard for what is and is not a gamer, you play games, you're a gamer. If you're not intrested in the Revolution, you shouldn't pretend to be to play to this unfounded idea that being different is automatically a good thing. It isn't, never has been, never will be. Can a game that does something different be good, sure thing. Does it's being different automatically make it so? Absolutely not. I recognize that Nintendo is going down a path I don't see the need for, I'm not intrested but I still wish them well. If that makes me not a true gamer in some random internet guys view, I really don't think I'll lose any sleep over it.DSExpress said:And you guys need to realize, if you are true gamers, you would embrace the Revolution for being different and offereing something you have never experienced before besides a graphical upgrade.
cybamerc said:BlueTsunami:
> You see, thats the thing. What do I care if the person next to me likes a game?
You cared enough to write that little rant of yours.
What you don't seem to get is that you are not the center of the universe. Game developers do not exist only to make games that suit your tastes. The fact that Nintendo is selling a lot of these so-called "non-games" is proof that it is doing something right. The fact that Nintendo has succesfully managed to expand the gaming market means that it is not just selling to existing Nintendo fans.
cybamerc said:I agree that high sales are not always indicator of high quality. But it is not up to a single individual to determine what is quality and what is not.
cybamerc said:> What do I care if a certain game will expand a market?
I don't know - you tell me. You seem to be personally bothered by it.
cybamerc said:> All I care about is if a game i'm playing is enjoyable.
I'm sure the many millions who have bought Nintendogs, Animal Crossing and Brain Training feel the same way.
cybamerc said:> I personally believe thats an argument for stock holders not gamers.
If that's how you feel I don't understand why you are at all participating in this discussion.
Amir0x said:no, it's superior period. But I guess we can make up some fantasies about it not dramatically improving the quality of the image, if you like.
'B-B-But it's expensive!'
- Get a better job
- Get a job period
- Wait until price drop
'B-B-But it uses extra power!'
- Minimal in this case
- In SD or HD, PS3 and 360 are both far powerful enough to beat out the only system that doesn't use HD
'B-B-But it costs extra development dollars!'
- Cool. Good thing I'm not a developer.
dude, you're being a short sighted fool who is so caught up in his own spiel you're not even seeing your own contradictions. in the very post i just quoted no less. take a step back and think about everything you just said... logically, and maybe, just maybe you'll start to understand how ridiculous you're sounding.Amir0x said:no, it's superior period. But I guess we can make up some fantasies about it not dramatically improving the quality of the image, if you like.
'B-B-But it's expensive!'
- Get a better job
- Get a job period
- Wait until price drop
'B-B-But it uses extra power!'
- Minimal in this case
- In SD or HD, PS3 and 360 are both far powerful enough to beat out the only system that doesn't use HD
'B-B-But it costs extra development dollars!'
- Cool. Good thing I'm not a developer.
Trurl said:Jesus man just admit that there are some draw backs. You've said that HD has all pros but no cons and that simply isn't true. My proof?
-HDTVs cost more
-HD takes up additional RAM
Trurl said:I'm not saying that these things outweigh the good but they do exist.
Would you recommend that everyone buys a Mercedes-Benz for their next car?
Scrow said:dude, you're being a short sighted fool who is so caught up in his own spiel you're not even seeing your own contradictions. in the very post i just quoted no less. take a step back and think about everything you just said... logically.
Amir0x said:no, it's superior period. But I guess we can make up some fantasies about it not dramatically improving the quality of the image, if you like.
Lol -- but... that doesn-- it jus-- logic-- ):BuzzJive said:Improvements in the quality of image do not relate to improvements in quality of gameplay. Your entire arguement is flawed. You should really just stop talking and let this thread try to get back on track.
That was a nice post, but Revolution will not merely be a console for the poor. Businesswise, to be the entry point console could be seen as a smart move, but it's far from enough to be successful (see the GC). So you have to make it completely different from your competitors, thus the Revmote and the other secret. What we'll have in the end is a different kind of console, an orange instead of apples as I previously said. And there it starts to to look like a smart move.DefectiveReject said:Okay so some guys want to buy a Revolution, and are effictively being laughed at by others for this?
Yes HD is superior to SD:TV
Yes PS3 and the 360 will be more powerful than the Revolution hardware wise.
But
Why would a third company do the same thing as everyone else and charge them the level of money it would cost to do so?
You want HD graphics, get yourself a PS3 and be quiet, no one berates you for this?
I have a BMW 1 series, 2litre engine, i am now going to go out for a drive and laugh at everyone who has a car inferior to mine, because the superior version is there for everyone to buy. I will then more than likely be laughed at by someone with a bigger better car than me.
Does everyone buy the superior TV's? Does everyone buy the superior DVD system? How about Hi-Fi systems? Washing Machines? Fridges? Houses? Clothes?
No, thats right they don't, because they either don't want to or can;t afford to, and want to stick with the simple things in life.
BuzzJive said:Improvements in the quality of image do not relate to improvements in quality of gameplay. Your entire arguement is flawed. You should really just stop talking and let this thread try to get back on track.
i really don't think you took the time to rethink your stance, as i suggested. how suprising. well you can continue with your knee jerk responses as you get caught up in your little crusade to convince everyone that you're in some position to state an "objective fact"; the very one you've contradicted in your own posts... whether you realise it or not. see you in another thread when you're more reasonable and open to the suggestion that you might actually be wrong. i get bored talking to brick walls.Amir0x said:Logically, HD is mother fucking superior to SD. Period.
Unless the US is making Mercedes-Benz the standard car that everyone must drive in ten years.
i'm not shocked to learn that 75% of the worlds children live outside japan.chespace said:Anybody else shocked that Nintendo gets 75% of their revenue from outside of Japan?
So much for the notion that Japan is their bread and butter audience.
chespace said:Anybody else shocked that Nintendo gets 75% of their revenue from outside of Japan?
So much for the notion that Japan is their bread and butter audience.
Monk said:So making people buy hdtv's is the answer. So much for choice.
Archie said:The logic is, if Nintendogs and Brain Training are cheap and make Nintendo alot of money, then that money can go towards making Mario/Zelda/Metroid bigger and more epic than before. I'm not saying I agree with the logic, but I understand it.
NWO said:Yeah because we all know that if the news was that Nintendo was losing money that nobody in here wouldn't be posting that they were doomed or that they should go 3rd party or anything else that the trolls love to feed off of negative Nintendo threads.
Basically on GAF this is how Nintendo threads go:
If its good news:
1. Say "who cares you don't profit for a company making money"
2. Bring up shrinking marketshare
3. Refer to an old quote from Nintendo about CD-Roms or Online play
4. Nintendo sucks for not having HD support'
5. DS has crappy graphics
6. LOL they are cheating because they use teh non games FTW
If its bad news:
Eh its basically people saying the same stuff as above but the thread is about 100 times larger because everyone who hates Nintendo loves to constantly talk about Nintendo.
You mean like Sony TELLING us that we want watered down DVDs that cost 3 times as much with half the content aka UMDs.
Or you mean like MS TELLING us that we want to pay outrageous prices for every fucking accessory for the 360 even though the stuff cost half as much for the Xbox, PS2, & Cube.
All companies tell you what you want instead of listening to what the consumers want because NOBODY was crying that games were too cheap at $50 and needed to be raised to $60.
Although the saying is true, its true only to a point. "Consumers" is a very wide net, and most game companies focus their target on the 'gamer', who's tastes in games vary greatly, and are known to get bored quickly.dog$ said:Like always - Nintendo feels much more comfortable in telling consumers what they want instead of giving consumers what they want.
Not surprising when these are the results, sure.