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Bloomberg: You Aren't Good Enough to Win Money Playing Daily Fantasy Football

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xbhaskarx

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Bloomberg: You Aren't Good Enough to Win Money Playing Daily Fantasy Football
Is that a problem for DraftKings and FanDuel?


I thought this was worth posting given that FanDuel and DraftKings are now bombarding every sporting event with their commercials...
Daily fantasy is getting ready to generate more losers in 2015 than ever before. Each year in the history of daily fantasy sports has been bigger than the last, and September has become the biggest month for new fans trying the game, which combines the stats-jockeying of traditional fantasy contests with the thrills of old-fashioned sports betting. (Fantasy sports are exempted from the federal ban on sports gambling.) FanDuel and DraftKings, the two main services, will bring in a combined $60 million in entry fees in the first week of the NFL season, according to Adam Krejcik, a partner at Eilers Research. Sports books in Las Vegas, by contrast, are expected to handle about $30 million.

The rival startups prospered in football's offseason. Both companies raised huge new rounds of investment, bringing DraftKings’s total haul to $426 million and FanDuel’s to $363 million, and both are now valued at more than $1 billion.

Saahil Sud is a fake-sports apex predator. He enters hundreds of daily contests in baseball and football under the name "maxdalury," and he almost always trounces the field. He claims to risk an average of $140,000 per day with a return of about 8 percent. Sud studied math and economics at Amherst College and took a job in data science at a digital marketing firm before shifting to full-time fantasy. He's now the top-ranked daily fantasy sports player, according to Rotogrinders, a stats site for daily fantasy players. He says he's made more than $2 million so far this year.

What Sud does each day doesn’t seem much like sports fandom—or even like much fun. He spends between eight and 15 hours working from his two-bedroom apartment in downtown Boston; the range reflects his uncertainly over whether to count the time watching games as work. During baseball season he puts about 200 entries into tournaments each night, and he can play more than 1,000 times in the weekly contests during NFL season.

The first step is scraping data from various public resources online and plugging the numbers into his custom-built predictive models, which generate hundreds of lineups based on his forecasts. There are publicly available tools that do some of this work for daily fantasy players, but Sud created bespoke software to make sure no one else can access his data. He also has a technique for identifying athletes who aren’t going to end up on a lot of other team’s rosters, which is important, because there’s a particular advantage in choosing players no one else has noticed.

DraftKings and FanDuel are testing new ways to make less successful players feel comfortable and enhance the impression that games are fair and winnable. For the massive tournaments whose prizes regularly top $1 million, both websites now limit the number of entries from a single player. FanDuel put a cap of about 1,000 entries on big football tournaments this year. For DraftKings's "Millionaire Maker" tournament, players are limited to 500 entries at the $10 level.

These limits seem almost laughably nonrestrictive until you understand how top players operate. Analysis from Rotogrinders conducted for Bloomberg shows that the top 100 ranked players enter 330 winning lineups per day, and the top 10 players combine to win an average of 873 times daily. The remaining field of approximately 20,000 players tracked by Rotogrinders wins just 13 times per day, on average.

And there's evidence that Sud’s victims aren’t all clueless rookies—many are free-spending whales who hope to evolve into sharks in their own right. (Marine metaphors are common when describing the industry but don't always track precisely to actual science.) According to data published in July in Sports Business Journal, 36 percent of lost entry fees on one daily site during the first half of the current baseball season came from just 5 percent of the players. “That 5 percent is a critical number,” says Daniel Singer, a senior adviser at McKinsey & Co.’s Global Sports & Gaming Practice and co-author of the study. These big spenders invested an average of $3,600 on entry fees and lost an average of $1,100, a negative 31 percent return.

The money-losing players tend to get lucky, win a few times, reinvest the prize money, and eventually lose. The losses are split evenly between daily fantasy sports websites such as DraftKings and FanDuel and the sharks like Sud. Only the top 1.3 percent of players finished in the green during the three months measured by the Sport Business Journal. An unrelated survey of more than 1,400 fantasy sports players conducted by Krejcik of Eilers Research this summer found that 70 percent of participants have lost money.

It’s not even clear that it matters that most players lose. Nobody thinks lotteries and slot machines are wise investments, yet we keep pressing our luck. And, of course, no one has ever turned a profit from hanging around a sports bar and drinking for an entire Sunday afternoon. “Whether they win or lose, the feedback is that they love the experience,” says Eccles. “By definition, the average player is going to lose money.”

The daily fantasy industry spent the summer engaged in a debate over automation. Critics took issue with how some players, including Sud, used software to change hundreds of lineups in response to last-minute injuries and other developments. DraftKings and FanDuel issued clearer policies and now require players to get permission before running scripts. They also forbid online tools such as FanDuel Fish Finder, which help players find weak opponents for head-to-head matchups. "That kind of stuff is cancerous to the long-term longevity of the sport,” says Robins.

Allowing some automation gave explicit blessing to activities that previously existed in a gray area and disappointed those players who had been calling for an outright ban. Now the number of players who do use automated tools is almost certainly going to grow. Following the policy announcements, Rotogrinders released browser extensions that allow players to enter contests automatically on both sites. Sud, the biggest of the sharks, says none of the rule changes have cause him to adjust his software-heavy methods.

Making money from fantasy sports is perfectly legal. A federal law restricting sports gambling has an exemption for games of skill, which fantasy games fit into. The early rise of daily fantasy sites was fueled largely by former online poker players fleeing a crackdown on that industry. Almost half of daily fantasy players in Krejcik's survey said they used to play poker for money online.

FanDuel and DraftKings have to keep the sharks happy. The top players, after all, will always be their biggest customers. There are also legal risks to enforcing any limits. As part of their exemption from gambling laws, daily fantasy sites are required to set their prizes in advance, without knowing how many people will sign up. If a site says it is going to offer a $1 million prize for a tournament with a $20 entry fee, it has to pay out whether it attracts 60,000 players or 30,000. Falling short can be very expensive.

In the short term, there's always advertising. DraftKings was the largest buyer of television ads in the first week of September, dropping $23.6 million over that period, according to ispot.tv. But the easiest way to ensure that tournaments are full could be to let the sharks enter as many times as they want.


More info on DraftKings and FanDuel:

DraftKings raises $300m in frenzied fantasy sports land-grab

DraftKings was able to reach an exclusive advertising agreement with ESPN. A person familiar with the deal said DraftKings agreed to spend about $250 million on ESPN. The Fox advertising deal is not exclusive, meaning it can still accept ads from FanDuel and Yahoo, Shanks noted.

Legal questions have not kept the biggest names in sports and media from diving into the business. DraftKings’ investors include Major League Baseball, the NHL, and Major League Soccer, while FanDuel’s backers include NBC Sports, Comcast Ventures, and the NBA.

New Money: DraftKings Cements Unicorn Status with FOX

Confirmed: DraftKings Raises $300M Led by Fox Networks

Deal: $300M
Investors: Fox Networks Group, Atlas Ventures, the Raine Group, Major League Baseball, the National Hockey League, Major League Soccer and the Kraft Group.
What they do: Daily fantasy sports
Valuation: $1.2B+, post-money
Total funds raised to date by DraftKings: $375M

DraftKings put up $30 million in revenue last year; its chief rival, FanDuel, posted $57 million. Yahoo Sports entered the fray a few weeks ago, ending speculation that it might invest in one of the two leaders. Daily fantasy is expected to generate $2.6 billion in entry fees this year, and grow to $14.4 billion by 2020, according to Eilers Research.
 
But after 16 weeks of real football, most rookie fantasy players will have been separated from their money, just as certainly as the Cleveland Browns will be disabused of their playoff ambitions.

Nice
 
I don't play fantasy football currently, but I've played enough in the past to know that I don't know shit about predicting the future or how anyone will perform any given Sunday. Nothing I'd ever wager money on.
 
Funny I get a Fanduel ad at the bottom of this thread....

The thing that gets me about fantasy in any league, really, is just that it feels so low stakes. Chances are, you won't win anything. Most people I know do work leagues or leagues with friends, but even then, I don't find fantasy that exciting. That's why I always liked fantasy drafts in sports games, that it gives you a goal to reach.
 

xbhaskarx

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Most surprising thing to me is that the sports leagues themselves have invested in them.

They don't want to leave "$14.4 billion by 2020" on the table for others to take...

Interesting that the NFL is missing from the list of investors in DraftKings and FanDuel, I wonder what their plans are, perhaps launching their own competing service as Yahoo did?
 
I love being in a fantasy football league, but I won't go anywhere near one of these websites. Betting every week is just too much, and too similar to gambling, for my tastes.
 

LevelNth

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Brakke

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Instead of writing this whole article you could've just said "hey daily fantasy is just accidentally-legal gambling".
 
I play for fun and not a source of income. Winning a couple of bucks then using that money for future entries is enough for me.
 

bionic77

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The point of casinos, gambling sites and the lottery is to take money away from idiots.

I am not entirely sure why it is legal but people seem to enjoy it. Even the ones that understand that they are being fleeced.
 

inky

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The point of casinos, gambling sites, free to play mobile gaming industry and the lottery is to take money away from idiots.

I am not entirely sure why it is legal but people seem to enjoy it. Even the ones that understand that they are being fleeced.

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I see the ads for these things all the time, and I always just assumed that it worked the way the article says it does. It's pretty much always been the way these sorts of things work (see online poker for example). I don't care much for fantasy sports, but if I did play it would certainly be in a casual league with friends.
 
The point of casinos, gambling sites and the lottery is to take money away from idiots.

I am not entirely sure why it is legal but people seem to enjoy it. Even the ones that understand that they are being fleeced.

Even if you rationally recognize that everything is stacked against you, the possibility of reaping big rewards, no matter how slight, can be a big enticement to many.
 

kingocfs

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Can I pay somebody money to never see or hear a Draft Kings or FanDuel commercial again? The way they have bombarded everything with advertisements should be illegal.
 
The point of casinos, gambling sites and the lottery is to take money away from idiots.

I am not entirely sure why it is legal but people seem to enjoy it. Even the ones that understand that they are being fleeced.

Its chemistry, their are some pleasure signals getting hit hard in the brain.

Some people just like the action
 

The Llama

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Can I pay somebody money to never see or hear a Draft Kings or FanDuel commercial again? The way they have bombarded everything with advertisements should be illegal.
Imagine is sports betting becomes legalized in the US like it is in the UK. The amount of commercials they have for betting is absolutely insane.
 

Griss

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It's just dressed up gambling, and the ads are becoming annoying. Legalise gambling already and stop pretending.

The whole fun of fantasy is managing your squad over a season and winning or losing vs real life friends. Playing vs 100,000 people who all have the same players is what EPL fantasy is, and having played that game for a decade I can tell you it sucks. Adding money and making it weekly does not make it better.

Its everywhere.. Podcasts and Radio too.

And a LOT of astroturfing on sports blogs.
 

kingocfs

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Its everywhere.. Podcasts and Radio too.

It's the TV stuff that is so grating to me. Like, I can't even watch a pre-game show for a specific sports team without the hosts giving me their shitty Draft Kings lineups.

With baseball it's even more ridiculous. Forbid the players from gambling, ban one of the best hitters of all time from the HOF for gambling, but plaster Draft Kings shit on every piece of programming.
 

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It's the TV stuff that is so grating to me. Like, I can't even watch a pre-game show for a specific sports team without the hosts giving me their shitty Draft Kings lineups.

With baseball it's even more ridiculous. Forbid the players from gambling, ban one of the best hitters of all time from the HOF for gambling, but plaster Draft Kings shit on every piece of programming.

lol this.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
1. I've played DFS a bit and the main strategy is to spread your losses as much as possible on 50/50s to build your bank, while reinvesting your winnings in additional 50/50s and wild shots at the big pools.

2. I have a friend-of-a-friend who won $10K in one game on an initial $100 investment.

3. The point of the article is mostly about the time required to spread out your odds well enough to win. Unlike gambling in a casino, there is no 'house.' The house is the crowd.

4. If I'm an investor in either company, my #1 concern is the industry being legislated out of existence -- though they've certainly passed a number of legal tests already. It's already/still illegal to play daily fantasy (for money -- you can still play 'for free') in Washington and Arizona. One of the midwest states too -- Iowa or Indiana I think.

5. If I'm a legislator, the above article makes my skin crawl. These are the very types of things I would be wanting to protect my constituents from. Whether proposed legislation would be prohibition or regulation -- like creating some maximum loss limit, or maximum daily bet to prevent characters like the one in the article from shutting out the rest -- I don't know.

6. That the leagues themselves are investing in these services despite legal questions is the real concern to me, especially considering the leagues are often above the law.
 
Aren't DraftKings and FanDuel the house? See above: profits "split evenly between daily fantasy sports websites such as DraftKings and FanDuel and the sharks"

No, my understanding is that it works mostly the same way a poker tournament does - you just pay a fee to compete against the other players. DraftKings/FanDuel make the same amount whether you win or lose.

Unless of course, the sites actually hire the sharks themselves to play for them. I don't think that's the case, though.
 

spyder_ur

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Most surprising thing to me is that the sports leagues themselves have invested in them.

Yeah, I think this mindset is changing. Years ago a sports league would totally avoid any association with gambling of any sort (which, let's be honest, this is). Now I think they see the benefits in both direct investment and supporting these industries as a means to get eyes and ears on their game. The NBA, particularly, has been very open and proactive about legalizing sports betting under Adam Silver's tenure. I saw a panel at the Sloan Sports Conference this year on legalizing sports betting. A couple guys from the NBA were there - it was very interesting and I think the most well attended panel of the weekend.

I do have a feeling Daily Fantasy might be a bit of a fad though, and I am so sick of hearing the words DraftKings and Fanduel drilled into my ear in any piece of sports coverage I take in. I'm even hearing spots in podcasts that aren't sports-related - I want to say maybe the Bombcast had one?
 
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