Hero_of_the_Day
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Oh, she's conservative!? You've won me over. Fuck her.
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Bree Olson's Untold Story.
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Oh, she's conservative!? You've won me over. Fuck her.
I don't think the royalty model will work either, the guys that run the industry think very little of the women they use (read that girls are required to have sex with them after shoots if the boss feels like it) and theres always a queue of young girls replace them if they make too many demands.
But it does seem disingenuous to pose the question of this unfair negative association with porn when the stars themselves take measures to 'escape'.
But it does seem disingenuous to pose the question of this unfair negative association with porn when the stars themselves take measures to 'escape'.
StrongBlackVine
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I'm just saying she has her own standards. Standards that she fails to meet.
Learn what your own words mean. You're the one that said they're debasing themselves.
Debasing: reduce (something) in quality or value; degrade.
That precisely means you're calling them lesser people.
StrongBlackVine
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They have lower moral character. They are not lower people. The definition fits.
True true. That much was obvious when she would fly back and forth between LA and Indiana. Not sure what's she's expecting from those people.. Boy you aint never lie--
--- sigh.. who's man is this
You are trying to act like this is new. When has humanity never looked down on prostitutes and sex workers? It seems like she feels she deserved all of the benefits of pornography with none of the stigma and unfortunately that'll never happen. She may be super kind, intelligent etc. But there is a reason why people since the 70's have struggled outside of porn. It follows you forever. And yeah it will have stigma.
So you get off sexually to men and women completely debasing themselves like animals? Wouldn't that indicate you need serious therapy?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Nope. Also I look at some pornography, but I don't really like watching actual hardcore sex. That's probably a bit too much information, but you went there.
shadowsdarknes
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People have the right to approve or disapprove of people's lifestyles. If someone does something that is morally objectionable to you, you don't have to associate or hire someone.
Mammoth Jones
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Making shit money with no family to advise? None.
Making millions with supportive family? I'd expect better.
But I mean athletes fuck up the same so it's not an issue of her industry. But just like them that's on her. Should have at least put money aside for life after porn. She's still very much trying to figure herself out and it's much harder with a lack of resources.
Sucks she had to learn the hard way.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
No today you can do whatever the fuck you want with no repercussions and no one is allowed to criticize or disapprove lest you will be called a prude/prejudice. People can do what they want, but one thing you will never do is be able to control how people react to or feel about your actions. I live and let live, but that doesn't mean I have to approve.
Probably bought a nice house, did a little drugs and gave the rest to Charlie Sheen.
People are calling you prejudiced because nothing you've said has indicated that your disapproval is based on anything deeper than run of the mill slut shaming.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Why do I need anything deeper? I find having sex for money to be immoral. Not sure what more justification is needed there. Also I'm not shaming any one. That would require an overt act which I would never do.
-Stranger-
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Actually a fan of her videos, didn't know she retired.
And yet getting off to people who have been paid to have sex is somehow moral? You are the moral equivalent of a politician that rails against marijuana then goes home and smokes a joint.
Vincent Grayson
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When some of those things are just dumb societal hangups, I don't think that's very fair. We should work to change the awful attitude people have about sex workers.
Don't forget Traci Lords.
StrongBlackVine
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No she is just a sweetheart that is misunderstood. I already pointed out her hypocritical nature. She just wants to pretend like she never did any of it.
Yes because posting my thoughts about the subject on an anonymous forum is the equivalent of a politician lobbying? I'm not even trying to persuade any one. Do you even think about what you are writing?
hodayathink
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Traci Lords nearly fucked over the entire industry. Like, the only reason many people didn't get thrown in jail was because her fake IDs were so good that the government fell for them as well. Ignoring the fact that she barely had a mainstream career (you can't live off of a few mainstream cameos, B movies and a half-assed music career), she's not someone you actually want to look at in terms of a post-porn career because it means you have to look at her porn career, which you really don't want to do, since, you know, it's totally illegal except for one movie (which it just so happens she owned the rights to).
Sho_Nuff82
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I think what vine is trying to say is that while it might be nice to live in a world where people don't judge based on what people do with their bodies, we do live in that world, and choosing a career (if you do so voluntarily) has to carry some awareness of that downfall.
There's always a thin line between personal responsibility and victim blaming, but the point has been raised and it's true; I doubt anyone here would tell their own daughter that becoming a porn actress was a swell career idea, and the "why" behind it would paint most of us as hypocrites.
Shpeshal Nick
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Sort of like saying how do the music or movie industries make money when piracy is so easy and accessible.
I know it's not on the same level but still. Yeah, given the ultimate goal with porn, it is a bit perplexing how they make THAT kind of money.
Edit. By the way, isn't this old? Like 2 years old?
I'm calling bullshit. Do you have a reliable source to back this up? She is good friends with Alfonso Ribero.
hodayathink
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Okay, I figure I should answer this just so I can get it out there.
Bree made (or could make, there's a lot of people that exaggerate how much money they made in the industry) that much money because she basically perfectly timed her career. Tube sites (which is how everything because a Google search away) didn't really start to take over the industry until around 2011-2012 or so, which is right when her career ended (Sasha Grey had the same very fortunate timing). Before then, it was almost to the point where pretty much all you need to do was get a pretty woman and a camera and you could make money shooting porn. Because of that, there were a ton of small to medium sized production companies around that had the budgets to hire anyone they wanted. There was a ton of product being shot (arguably too much), and because of that there was a lot of work to go around. A popular performer like Bree could easily be shooting 3-4 scenes a week if she wanted, and be getting paid upwards of $1200-1500 per basic b/g scene (and more depending on what she added on top of that like anal or IR). That money is long gone. Most of those smaller and medium sized companies died years ago, and nowadays even the most popular performers are maybe shooting 2 scenes a week on average. Turnover is huge because most women, after their first six months or so, can't get enough shoots to make a consistent income from shooting alone.
Which brings me to my next point: the post-porn career. Okay, so first, royalties in porn. There aren't any because there really isn't enough money to go around. Outside of the companies that also own tube sites (like Brazzers/Mindgeek), most porn companies aren't really making tons of money, at least not enough to be able to offer performers a cut of the revenue (and if it were a cut of the profits, well, there really isn't much profit there). The best you'll be able to do is, if you spend the time promoting your scenes, you can get affiliate money from them (basically, if someone joins the site or buys the DVD off you promoting the scene, the company will pay you a little bit). If you're looking to transition out of performing, but have no qualms about sex work in general, there's about 4 workable post-porn careers (and the truth is that you can get into these careers while performing as well, and most performers nowadays already are). The first is going into production, which can be fickle and ties your well-being to the overall well-being of the industry, which, again, isn't great right now. Second is camming (which, by the way, Bree Olson does now, or at least was doing for a time). It's the easiest way to make money off your notoriety without having to put up capital or rely on connections. Third is feature dancing, which requires actual ability as a stripper (which not every performer has), and the ability/desire to spend a ton of time on the road and basically lead a traveling lifestyle. Fourth is escorting, which can arguably be the most lucrative, but is also far and away the most physically taxing (seeing as it's basically continuing your career except without the camera involved). If you're not moving on to one of those four things, I hope to dear god you either have some money saved up or have someone willing to support you financially.
only thing i can find is a bodybuilder board thread about an okcupid profile that uses Bree Olson's picture and also claims to star in the Centipede 3 movie.
She says she only dates rich white guys with huge cocks. But she also goes on about how she loves cooking in the nude and how she will make you lasagna and burritos. some basic becky liberal I love hipster stuff, and then, if you aren't a handyman, and can't play a musical instrument, and have at least a college degree, fuck off. It reads like satire, or at least bad comedy, but I guess it could be real.
Without getting too off subject with a philosophical/ethical debate, I would say that the primary secular reason why acts are considered immoral is due to the physical, emotional, or economic harm they cause to others. After all, plenty of people find sex before marriage to be immoral as well, but that doesn't mean that it is.
I wouldn't recommend that my daughter become a AAA game dev either but it doesn't make me a hypocrite to play EA games either. The problems with porn are two-fold; on one hand we have the societal fallout (aka the subject of this thread) which I am quite confident I don't contribute to as well as various labor issues. Employee mistreatment is found in literally every industry, so I wouldn't call consuming porn while being aware of issues within the industry to be hypocritical unless you're willing to say the same of anyone simply living an average life in a first world country.
theignoramus
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Why wouldn't she just move to a city in California? She made millions, she should've set up her life in an area where people don't care as much.
StrongBlackVine
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I think the point is she wasted her money so she has to integrate back into normal society and get a normal job. California isn't cheap.
hodayathink
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Yes, she actually references that here, but not directly. Because of that, even people that never actually watched her movies knew who she was and what she had done. For most people that leave the industry, the people that know are basically the people that have watched your videos. For her, the people that know are that plus everyone that ever found themselves interested in the Charlie Sheen fiasco (which was a lot of people).
theignoramus
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Well that was foolish of her. Im not unsympathetic to her not wanting to be treated like cancer, but she should've planned out her post porn life more responsibly. The first order of business should've been getting the fuck out of the Bible belt.
Her point was trying to get work and continue her life without porn.
Though, I wonder how much wing a Charlie sheen goddess hurt her reputation...
You are reading the real world.
In the real world what you do and what you say can have repercussions.
You are free to say what you want and do many things, but you are not free from the affects of said actions or sayings.
Ask the Dixie Chicks about freedom of speech .
Antoine Walker blew through over $110 million during a 14 year NBA Career and is broke. Supposedly Allen Iverson blew through over $200 million.
It's the lifestyle they chose to live while making that money and lack of education on financial decisions.
Phoenix RISING
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You're banned, but had you read the article, you'd know that she flew to Cali just for business (to shoot porn) then she would fly back.
Hmmm. Not sure how to feel about this. I feel sorry for her because she's hurting emotionally. However, my conscious would be more clear if she were like Vanessa Belmond. Does not sound like she's there yet.
GuitarAtomik
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That's going to be different for everyone. But if you think an 18-23 year old is going to be more likely to wisely spend millions of dollars than say a 35 year old, I think you'd be mistaken. Really you give anyone who didn't have much money millions of dollars and chances are high that they will not spend it wisely regardless of how old they are.
Her LA time has been a huge issue. Its part of why she prefers the smaller city living etc. of course smaller cities have their own issues that can develop such as being infamous for being a Charlie Sheen Goddess.
I have met her a few times and she is very down to earth and very nice. So I feel for her. I suspect things would be smoother for her if Charlie Sheen etc. hadn't been a period in her life. Life after Porn happens especially when you get out of it earlier enough but its also easier if you didn't really achieve a degree of infamy. Unfortunately for her she is famous for porn and for her Charlie sheen period.
PeterLegend
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I don't feel sorry for her, she made a lot of money choosing this career. I feel sorry for homeless folks who never had a bank account rather than someone who made "millions" or hundreds of thousands.
Not to mention she had Charlie Sheen paying for her services and lifestyle a couple years ago.
Tera Patrick said in an interview back in 2004, once you do porn you can't really live a normal life because it follows you.
Not to mention she had Charlie Sheen paying for her services and lifestyle a couple years ago.
Tera Patrick said in an interview back in 2004, once you do porn you can't really live a normal life because it follows you.
There's massive amounts of judgement about this kind of thing, but you really have to be aware of that before you get into it. There should be royalties attached to their scenes though.
Probably the best thing she could do for her quality of daily life would be to get out of indiana though. Fuck that state.
Probably the best thing she could do for her quality of daily life would be to get out of indiana though. Fuck that state.
But her hands have touched a lot of dicks! *looks both ways conspiratorially* whispers: BLACK dicks!
We're a prudish, hypocritical country. Women enjoying sex is apparently the worst thing a woman can do, despite the fact that millions of people want to fuck women. It's like, why would I want to fuck a woman that doesn't like to fuck? And why would I care if she's had sex with men/women before me? She's not property. Unfortunately, there is this disturbing subset of people in this world that do, indeed, have possession issues when it comes to women. They should belong to them, and only them. It's why you sometimes see people getting pissed when a celebrity they have a boner four gets married or has kids. It's fucking weird.
A lot of porn consumers view the actresses they fantasize about as existing solely to pleasure them. The idea that these people are men and women who view the profession as just that; a job, never enters their brains. The notion that an adult entertainer may have aspirations beyond taking a load to the face is foreign to them. And it's really troubling to me that the performers are then locked into these careers because, almost like a person convicted of a crime, their past history is frowned upon by prospective employers. Porn has been demonized so much to the point where it's considered the worst thing that a person could do, when in reality, it's just a business. And just like our non-porn businesses, some companies are awful (ie, the Walmarts and Gamestops of porn), and some places are pretty good to work for. Not every porn producer/publisher is treating these women like cattle and exploiting these poor, innocent women who just don't know any better and have daddy issues. Some are, however.
You shouldn't be discriminated against because you enjoy sex, and saw a way to get paid for doing something you love. I love to write and draw comics. I'd be miserable if I was somehow treated like disposable shit because I love to do it, and I found a way to get paid to do it.
I certainly can't bring myself to pass judgment over a 19 year old who made millions and blew it all on bullshit. I mean, hell, when I was 21, I was working at a Barnes & Noble when the PlayStation 2 came out. I was making pennies there, and one of my early checks was $325 dollars for those two weeks of work. I went to EB games and asked how much a PS2 was with tax. It was $324 dollars. I had rent to pay, food to buy (I was still living with my mom, who didn't make much money herself), and other responsibilities. You know what I did? I bought that fucking PS2. It was incredibly stupid of me. I know for a god damned fact that if I had $5 million dollars in my bank about at age 21, I'd have blown that shit in a few years too. I'd have a studio apartment filled with tvs and video games and movies and comic books (probably rare ones that I'd be forced to sell). My point is, not all young people have family and friends that impart on them advise like establishing an IRA, or a retirement fund or savings account. Hell, with my limited income, I couldn't keep a savings account to save my life. I had to learn those life lessons the hard way, but the point is, I, at age 37, have learned those lessons, and was given the opportunity to benefit from those lessons learned. My school's "economy" class didn't even cover things like establishing and maintaining a savings and checking account, among other genuinely helpful information that I could have benefited from.
What people like Bree Olson are saying is that they've learned their hard lessons too, but aren't being allowed to practice what they've learned, because of the judgment being thrown at them from people with their noses turned up in the air, while simultaneously having their hands in their pants jerking off to the stuff they're condemning Bree Olson from producing.
Hell, I toyed around with getting into the adult industry as a performer when I worked at xfanz. Ultimately, I changed my mind, but then again, I wasn't 19 when I was mulling over that career either.
In Holland we have about 3 actual porn stars, Xaviera Hollander, Kim Holland and Bobbi Eden. All three live normal lives without being shunned or shamed.
As far as non celebrity porn actresses go, I know one girl who has had a part time career as a porn actress, she was always very forthcoming about what she did for a living, and only ever had problems with hardcore conservatives (which are few).
Although most people would not admit knowing her, they might still treat her differently than other neighbors, so moving would probably not change how people treat her.
Yeah, she doesn't really look all that distinctive. If she showed up at your office tomorrow as "Jennifer Dawson," I doubt that you would ever suspect her of having had a huge porn career. Even if you noticed a similarity, you'd probably just shrug it off. Just another pretty blonde.
I suspect that she doesn't want to hide herself or her past though, and that's fair. She shouldn't have to assume a new identity. But at the same time, don't act like your life is ruined if you aren't willing to take reasonable (if unfair) steps to improve it.
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