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Apparrently only homeland sales count.ram said:
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Clover Studio Dissolution
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BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
ram said:
How convenient for you. Sure Europe, you didn't really do anything bad to Clover Studios, but if you really think about it, you didn't do anything good for them either. You share the blame just as much as Himuro.
In this market? Yeah, pretty much. Also, in the case of VJ, devving games which are terrible (which are, as I said, all I've played, none else being released and all).InsertCredit said:
Of course, sometimes niche leads to bigger and better things, so the only tragedy is we'll never know. An example - Team ICO makes ICO, turd, not fun, wouldn't have cared if they'd died. Team ICO then makes SOTC. Awesome, original, awesome. Still has its own style, but clearly developed to cater more to the masses (as they admit in the making of movie).
Thats called good business.
The setup was never going to work -- Capcom starts up a studio to make purely original titles, original titles which have no chance to sell anything like the constant sequels to high profile IP that Capcom churns out at HQ. But the numbers are still being compared on paper by the guys in charge, and of course Clover is gonna look inefficient.
I'm sure the talent will stay in the industry, but it's a sad day when originality is so blatantly shunned.
I'm sure the talent will stay in the industry, but it's a sad day when originality is so blatantly shunned.
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wtf pedo??White Man said:
*sadface
That's a good point but what's so depressing is just the fact that Clover represented a single collective entity where all those awesome thinkers put their heads together and came up with some great stuff. You're right that the individuals will still be around the the great games will still be made, but Capcom slicing up the embodiment of some of the best thinkers in the industry is what's most disturbing herecvxfreak said:
Kobun Heat
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Okay, this is what I just posted. Anybody who's better than me at reading financial statements in Japanese please see if I've gotten anything grossly wrong.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2006/10/capcoms_clover_.html
Basically, it seems to me as if they're just bringing everybody from Clover back into the Capcom fold, so as to streamline development processes. It's not like everybody's fired.
...is it?
http://blog.wired.com/games/2006/10/capcoms_clover_.html
Basically, it seems to me as if they're just bringing everybody from Clover back into the Capcom fold, so as to streamline development processes. It's not like everybody's fired.
...is it?
Kobun Heat
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I thought they were just killing Clover, the seperate entity, and bringing the teams back into Capcom. That's what all the language about "making development more efficient" etc. seemed to mean.sp0rsk said:
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
then it is true.
"god is dead."
...i'm wearing black today.
"god is dead."
...i'm wearing black today.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Kobun Heat said:
That's probably Engrish for "your ass is fired".
Kobun Heat
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Is that really what's going on here, though? Maybe Capcom just figured it didn't make any sense to be running a totally seperate company with its own financials and board of directors and shit when all they did was make Capcom games.White Man said:
For all this press release says on it, there might still be a Clover Studio after March, but it just won't be its own seperate kabushiki kaisha.
Gaia Theory
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..... 0_o
I bought 3 Viewtiful Joe games, all VERY good - I especially enjoyed Joe on DS.... which remains one of the high points for DS achievement in my book.
I will be purchasing Okami - that puts my total up to 4. 4 Clover games out of... let's see:
Viewtiful Joe 1
Viewtiful Joe 2
Viewitful Battle FX or whatever they called it
Viewtiful Joe Double Trouble
Okami
Godhand
Did I miss anything?
I will miss Clover, a lot. I hope that for Mikami, this is the last straw and he finally defects from Capcom and runs into the loving arms of Miyamoto and Nintendo. Mikami should bring Kamiya and Inaba with him.
Capcom sucks!
I bought 3 Viewtiful Joe games, all VERY good - I especially enjoyed Joe on DS.... which remains one of the high points for DS achievement in my book.
I will be purchasing Okami - that puts my total up to 4. 4 Clover games out of... let's see:
Viewtiful Joe 1
Viewtiful Joe 2
Viewitful Battle FX or whatever they called it
Viewtiful Joe Double Trouble
Okami
Godhand
Did I miss anything?
I will miss Clover, a lot. I hope that for Mikami, this is the last straw and he finally defects from Capcom and runs into the loving arms of Miyamoto and Nintendo. Mikami should bring Kamiya and Inaba with him.
Capcom sucks!
duckroll said:No one has bee fired. And the "unique" concept of Clover wasn't just DEEMED unprofitable, it was proven unprofitable. They had enough years to prove otherwise, and they didn't.
It could've been a different story if they didn't put so much effort into Viewtful frickin Joe.
So to everyone going "OH CAPCOM SUX LOLZ", etc. How exactly do you propose that Clover will survive in the next-generation? They've already been accumilating losses as a seperate company, and next-generation development will have even larger r&d costs. Capcom is the 100% shareholder in Clover, and they have shareholders of their own. Clover is considered a Capcom investment. As a responsible shareholder in the investment what do you propose they do?
Oh yeah, I forgot. This is the world where "WE DON'T CARE ABOUT BUSINESS, ORIGINALITY FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!'. Sorry guys, harsh reality once again!
Oh yeah, I forgot. This is the world where "WE DON'T CARE ABOUT BUSINESS, ORIGINALITY FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!'. Sorry guys, harsh reality once again!
Segaholic2
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Yes, this makes sense, because they released it on a console with a 100 million+ installed user base and it didn't sell enough, so they should spend extra money to port it to a system with no user base whatsoever so far!sp0rsk said:
If you have the resources who made the multimillion sell like Kamiya or Mikami, It's for sure you won't let them die for creating games that sell 100k or less. I think God Hand is the big point for them to made this dicision. Or even okami which took around 3 years to finish with the sell of 145k in japan :/ . Just take them back to the main company and create good games with good sells. It's not like capcom games were suck. Business wise.
Conrad Link
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After VJ1 I was expecting them and Nintendo to have a long relationship, just seemed right.
Didn't they release PS2 games cause thats where the sales were gonna come from? And this still happens wtf, someone f*cked up.
Didn't they release PS2 games cause thats where the sales were gonna come from? And this still happens wtf, someone f*cked up.
As long as it's the same Capcom who made/making Dead Rising and Lost Planet, I personally don't see the problem with the re-merger.duckroll said:So to everyone going "OH CAPCOM SUX LOLZ", etc. How exactly do you propose that Clover will survive in the next-generation? They've already been accumilating losses as a seperate company, and next-generation development will have even larger r&d costs. Capcom is the 100% shareholder in Clover, and they have shareholders of their own. Clover is considered a Capcom investment. As a responsible shareholder in the investment what do you propose they do?
Oh yeah, I forgot. This is the world where "WE DON'T CARE ABOUT BUSINESS, ORIGINALITY FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!'. Sorry guys, harsh reality once again!
Zerodoppler
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All the best things in this indutry always goes to shit. Thank the idiots that buy nothing but roster updates and movie license games.
The whole point of the Clover subsidiary was to allow teams to have more autonomy and freedom to develop original IP ...which apparently didn't quite sell. (I do blame FF12 for burning out the 1.5million+ gamers for Okami's poor JP sales. Released within weeks of each other.)
So what does this mean? Well, simply that new ideas will now have to return to the formal approval chain. Recall how Lost Planet was not approved at first, but the team laboured in secret, then presented it again and gained unanimous approval.
So what does this mean? Well, simply that new ideas will now have to return to the formal approval chain. Recall how Lost Planet was not approved at first, but the team laboured in secret, then presented it again and gained unanimous approval.