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CNN: More than 8,600 brick-and-mortar stores could close their doors in 2017
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Dash_Riprock
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It'll only get worse as more and more people become less hesitant to shop online.
tedrotheredro
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Good thing we'll have coal jobs to fall back on.
SolarPowered
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This had better not be a case of the canary in the coal mine because more closures than 2008 sounds just a bit ominous.
Random Painted HIghway
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Thanks trump
RPGCrazied
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Thanks Amazon! Between Amazon & eBay and the occasional online shopping at Best Buy and Walmart, you really don't need walk in stores anymore.
Though Turmp is on his way to fucking up internet regulations, so there might be some extra added cost using the internet and online services/shopping. Not looking forward to that.
Though Turmp is on his way to fucking up internet regulations, so there might be some extra added cost using the internet and online services/shopping. Not looking forward to that.
rokkerkory
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Great job Trump!
sssstententen
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There will always be SOME appeal to brick and mortar, going in to try clothes, fresh products (food etc), things you want to experience in person.
But for literally everything else, its going, and theres no reason it shouldn't. Online is faster, cheaper, has more options, infinite competition, ease of entry, and a communal review base.
Let the tradtional brick and mortar die, things need to adapt. You see it already in some metro areas, new concepts of the entertainment/service industry will replace some of it.
But for literally everything else, its going, and theres no reason it shouldn't. Online is faster, cheaper, has more options, infinite competition, ease of entry, and a communal review base.
Let the tradtional brick and mortar die, things need to adapt. You see it already in some metro areas, new concepts of the entertainment/service industry will replace some of it.
GraveRobberX
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Well brick and mortar stores didn't adapt
They didn't see the likes of all these .coms take away their profits
Some are lucky like Best Buyand are still surviving, but K-Mart and Sears where even if you spent $100 they charged you for shipping, amazon with its free shipping over x amount of dollars stole all those customers
Then little by little things that made those stores whole by offering many things, now are departmentalized to certain .coms sites with more stock and option that in stores
They didn't see the likes of all these .coms take away their profits
Some are lucky like Best Buyand are still surviving, but K-Mart and Sears where even if you spent $100 they charged you for shipping, amazon with its free shipping over x amount of dollars stole all those customers
Then little by little things that made those stores whole by offering many things, now are departmentalized to certain .coms sites with more stock and option that in stores
2Smashed4U
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Why are people eager to let one massive corporation consolidate all business like this?
Fuck Amazon.
The Abominable Snowman
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Kohl's should do 2 hour deliveries and returns anyway. Would make my life so much easier.
But seriously, I'm kind of nervous for all the potential job losses, but I'm sure e-retailers will need much more hands to offset that loss.
But seriously, I'm kind of nervous for all the potential job losses, but I'm sure e-retailers will need much more hands to offset that loss.
Those stores were run in terrible ways and so them shutting down is not surprising. They clung to old business models and failed to adapt.
Unfortunately, this means many people will be out of jobs. And worse, our shopping options will become concentrated leading to higher prices and worse customer service. For example, see: telecom industry, airline industry
Unfortunately, this means many people will be out of jobs. And worse, our shopping options will become concentrated leading to higher prices and worse customer service. For example, see: telecom industry, airline industry
Herr Schwarz
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Robot hands
postmodernism
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good, space wasted on the irrelevant display of products people only buy a fraction of, and jobs that serve no purpose other than their sale.
demolish, re-zone, build affordable housing. as someone mentioned earlier, re-train and get those people into productive work.
demolish, re-zone, build affordable housing. as someone mentioned earlier, re-train and get those people into productive work.
Wal-Mart, Kroger, Target etc will also do automated checkouts. It's innovation, and progress can be messy but ultimately these technologies will improve quality of life.
With instacart I rarely shop in stores anymore.
sssstententen
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Literally nothing wrong with a giant corp like Amazon doing what it does if it does it well. The moment it stops, I assure you, the blood will be in the water and something will take its place.
Do you get mad at Coke for dominating the soda industry? I don't, because they do a good job, and the consumer base supports them doing it.
It's a means situation. If I was well off, which I currently am not, I would shop less at Amazon or Walmart. But right now I'm going to go with wherever I can get the cheapest deals. That also includes ebay actually as I'm a big "used" buyer.
Also, Amazon may treat its employees like crap but it has some of the best customer service and customer friendly websites out there. Just as an example, they don't charge until an item ships and I can change my payment method anytime I want or even pay off a preorder using gift cards well before it ships. No others can even compare.
Technology only improves the lives of those able to afford it.
The more people don't want to leave their homes, the less appeal brick and mortar stores have. Even Amazon is selling groceries online. People don't want to go out and watch movies at the theater anymore either. It's only a matter of time.
If you are gonna compete, ya gotta compete. It always amuses me a little when I attempt to buy something from one of these other stores, and something always fucks up: slow delivery, delayed delivery, etc. Amazon is pretty much always perfect, and if it's not they usually compensate you. No reason to use anything else
It's also a lot easier to have mobility WRT living arrangements when you don't have to worry about what stores are physically close by.
If you can get everything you need delivered, living in a more rural area suddenly becomes more attractive.
But historically that is not how it works. Companies get entrenched by removing competition and buying legislation. They then lower the bar from "doing well" to "doing adequate" to "doing poorly but you don't have a choice"
Herr Schwarz
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I mean let's face it there aren't going to be enough jobs ever guys.
Between globalisation, e-commerce, deep learning and robotics?
Not even stem jobs are safe because why pay a white man for a job if I can pay 4 Indians the same amount?
Technology is to create efficiency for capitalistic markets to increase their bottom line.
But I'm sure our governments know what's up and will rescue us before one half of society consumes the other.
Between globalisation, e-commerce, deep learning and robotics?
Not even stem jobs are safe because why pay a white man for a job if I can pay 4 Indians the same amount?
Technology is to create efficiency for capitalistic markets to increase their bottom line.
But I'm sure our governments know what's up and will rescue us before one half of society consumes the other.
The Abominable Snowman
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No, I'm thinking more Uber merchandise transport services. We're still at least decade or two away from an autonomous road.
So in 1800 we should have kept everyone farming, blacksmithing, and working at the post office?
why is it amazon's fault?
Putting retail aside even the online experience at many other stores is terrible that it's no surprise that Amazon is swallowing all their business
Walmart only recently started competing with amazon on shipping, they should have done it a long time ago.
Herr Schwarz
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Wow a whole decade! Bandage here bandage there. Kick the can down the road.
Goro Majima
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Although Amazon is a huge part to blame, another part is just seems like natural consolidation or elimination based on an increasingly global economy.
We probably don't need Sears or some of these other weaker retail chains when there are several substitutes. There will always be competition because Amazon isn't taking down Walmart, Target, or some others so I'm not as concerned about a monopoly so much as the fact that these are just yet more jobs that aren't coming back.
We probably don't need Sears or some of these other weaker retail chains when there are several substitutes. There will always be competition because Amazon isn't taking down Walmart, Target, or some others so I'm not as concerned about a monopoly so much as the fact that these are just yet more jobs that aren't coming back.
Herr Schwarz
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Every job lost is just gonna.turn into an enraged Trump supporter looking for someone to blame.
We won't be. Money and corruption are the driving force of America. It's in are policies and politics. We're decades off from anything like that.
It's going to have to be a progressive country like Sweden leading the way or at least showing others how it's done.
The irony being that a lot of smaller, specialized boutique mom and pop shops are in again as big box bites the dust.
cpp_is_king
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Time to buy AMZN stock? Even if they're closing because of retailers like Amazon, whatever business they do still have will also get picked up by those same places, accelerating their growth even more
Aztechnology
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Absolutely nothing gets done without economic motivation. We all know that people who work in congress for instance aren't idiots. I'd venture to guess 99% truly believe that climate change for instance is a real issue. It's just they believe 100% that money is more important.
Supposedly their online retail business itself doesn't make money either.
Fierce competition if I'm not mistaken.
Supa Necta
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A little off topic, but with the shift to online, shouldn't logistics companies and USPS be doing really great business?
I believe UPS and fedex did benefit from Amazon for years. But, now Amazon is becoming its own shipping company in order to cut them out of the equation.
PeakPointMatrix
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Good job Trump.
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Not really. If a store offers free shipping and free returns, then I much prefer buying clothes online, and often take a risk anyway with shipping costs over going in store.
That leaves you solely fresh produce, which is usually sold in stores that will run out of business because so much will bought online instead. Butcher shops, bakeries, pastries, cheese makers, those will survive. Urban farming will also be very popular.
Uber and co will pretty much slaughter them for local deliveries. It's not the biggest margin, but it will push them to compete more. Expect some merging.
Alternatively, why should people put up with higher prices and shittier service just to buy from a brick & mortar instead of Amazon?
2Smashed4U
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This is one of the most incredibly naive things I've ever read in my life.
TAJ
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And they're terrible at it and don't give you the choice to opt out of their shipping.
Vanillalite
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All in one stores not stuck in the stone age seem to be doing ok. So Walmart, Target, Lowe's, Home Depot, Costco ect...
HH Greg was fucked cause they still relied on the old commish sales model of old old old Circuit City and their pricing sucked.
No need when all the other big box stores sold your shit. You could just go buy your TV at Costco or your Washer/Drier at Lowes.
Then old stores that failed to modernize in some way like Sears also bombed out. They didn't sell the right mix of everything.
Lowes isn't trying to sell clothes. Sears was while also trying to sell you a mower. Meanwhile places like Walmart or Target focus more on house items/groceries with just a small side of outdoor.
Best Buy gets by cause their competition outside of Wally or Target has gone away. Plus they've leaned into Phones as its really lucrative.
(Obviously online competes with all of this).
HH Greg was fucked cause they still relied on the old commish sales model of old old old Circuit City and their pricing sucked.
No need when all the other big box stores sold your shit. You could just go buy your TV at Costco or your Washer/Drier at Lowes.
Then old stores that failed to modernize in some way like Sears also bombed out. They didn't sell the right mix of everything.
Lowes isn't trying to sell clothes. Sears was while also trying to sell you a mower. Meanwhile places like Walmart or Target focus more on house items/groceries with just a small side of outdoor.
Best Buy gets by cause their competition outside of Wally or Target has gone away. Plus they've leaned into Phones as its really lucrative.
(Obviously online competes with all of this).
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