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Companies are pulling ads from YouTube to protect their brands
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Imperfected
Member
Most of that content has close-enough-to-zero viewers to approximate to being completely unseen, for all intents and purposes. I'm sure the advertisers don't really care if some shit-nothing video no one's actually watching prerolls their ad before it, they just care that Google actually pays a spot of attention to what's getting views and whether or not it's completely abhorrent.
It's significantly less difficult to police high-traffic uploads.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
It really isn't.
Youtubers will start the "it was all a joke" narrative that pewdiepie made a few weeks ago. Why are the bigots are the ones who's voice is louder :/
TransTrender
Gold Member
This is excellent news for my company.
Maybe the non-racist, non-white supremacist counterpart of JonTron?
They're easily identifiable by their neckbeards.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Good. If YouTube wants to do business the way they are then they need to do a better job of curating content that does not rely on hate speech to build audiences. Let them go elsewhere.
Fucking finally
It hurts my brain to think that the reason this "alt-right" and hate fucking bullshit is mainly happening because the people at the forefront of this shit are making money through avenues like youtube
Twitter should step up next and start banning these fuckers off their platform
when you remove their voice they won't have power
how hard is it for CEOs to understand
It hurts my brain to think that the reason this "alt-right" and hate fucking bullshit is mainly happening because the people at the forefront of this shit are making money through avenues like youtube
Twitter should step up next and start banning these fuckers off their platform
when you remove their voice they won't have power
how hard is it for CEOs to understand
They should probably re-think how those work, too.
Or don't work, really.
That was directed more at tags and video titles iirc.
this seems to be aimed at the videos content
Well if they can algorithmatize gay culture suppression I'm sure they could turn that to hatespeech in its various form.
I do not believe for a second that there is "no solution" to this problem. I can be convinced that there is no "perfect" solution but I never expected one in the first place. I do, however, expect a modicum of responsibility and demonstrative action, which has been severely lacking from all the tech giants.
Yoshimitsu126
Member
Man remember when YouTube used to not have ads?
RecRoulette
Member
At least they'll be motivated to do something now. Can't fuck with that cash flow.
Trigonometrize.
Member
If things continue to go this way, lots of good-natured content creators are going to be getting less revenue unless Youtube is willing AND able to go after all of the deplorables. That sounds like a bad time for people barely making it. Fucking Trump. Fucking US. Gah.
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
I know a dude who makes money off his youtube videos and that's all I can think when Google/YT does this.
Sad!
MrSaturn99
Member
About time.
Unfortunately, if people want to give money directly to awful people they are free to. In a similar way, we couldn't ask Paypal to refuse donations to them.
The best we could hope for would be to ask Patreon to be a bit more stringent for who they allow on their service, but that would be up to them in the end, they don't answer to advertisers.
Yes. Also when the most disturbing shit was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9Tho7a4TI (NSFW/L)
and not someone actually advocating for racial cleansing while making a buck for it.
This is the most difficult thing. Creating, enforcing, and detecting boundaries for this type of content on such a massive scale is super difficult.
There's this weird perception that Twitter has been twiddling their thumbs about the whole harassment stuff, and while that may be true to some degree, implementing a solution for this kind of stuff is incredibly complex. I don't even know how you'd start. It'd have to be some sort of machine learning application, and even still you run the risk of over-censorship due to error (and the margin of error will still be a significant raw number of users/content) and subsequent backlash.
Part of me believes that a mediating solution by the platform isn't the answer.
There's this weird perception that Twitter has been twiddling their thumbs about the whole harassment stuff, and while that may be true to some degree, implementing a solution for this kind of stuff is incredibly complex. I don't even know how you'd start. It'd have to be some sort of machine learning application, and even still you run the risk of over-censorship due to error (and the margin of error will still be a significant raw number of users/content) and subsequent backlash.
Part of me believes that a mediating solution by the platform isn't the answer.
Tranqueris
Banned
Here's a simple solution, how about you just ban these fucking white supremacists? YouTube isn't obligated to have some moron on there talking about white genocide. Same with Twitter.
Probably some extremely convoluted "see no evil, hear no evil" solution that separates hate speech into it's own bubble.
I wonder what's going to happen to people once we come up with better decentralized substitutes? You won't be able to ask/coerce anyone to take down content, and people who normally look to authority figures to police things are probably going to get steamrolled. Youtube has its business to maintain so I assume it will do something but I think people in general need to get a little more clever about how they approach these problems because it's not going to work like this forever.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
there is so much hateful garbage on youtube that starts popping up for you if you just start watching gaming videos, it's awful.
disappeared
Banned
Soon enough it'll be AI policing the whole thing.
Maybe Google can setup an ad marketplace where creators petition for sponsorship based on some type of application and content sample submission.
Keep the current ad system in place for companies who don't care what they sponsor and have the marketplace for the companies that want to know what type of content will show their ads.
Keep the current ad system in place for companies who don't care what they sponsor and have the marketplace for the companies that want to know what type of content will show their ads.
AtomskEater
Member
Considering how many websites have been flooded with an influx of hate speech, harassment, and generally shitty people websites are going to need to be much more proactive than reactive to nip issues like these. Like thank god for the strict moderation of neogaf, a lot of places can't be bothered.
I don't click on certain videos anymore because it fucks up your recommendations for weeks
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
Anything I don't agree with.
Agreed, it's the most simplest solution. Their hate speech violates their ToS and they do nothing even when people report it.
sooperkool
Member
This isn't just money talking, this is 'The" money talking. Once again people fail to realize that the Wild West days of the internet are over. These companies will allow a little bit of shenanigans to look like their hands off but after a few the hammer comes down.
Like the first part of the post. The second is scary.
Yeah, this is what makes me fear it. The answer people want is basically the most sophisticated and powerful censorship and social engineering tool that the world will have ever seen. Not only do I feel very uncomfortable with the idea of that existing, but being able to be controlled by whoever can wield it.
NSA builds backend into Twitter -> detects and censors (or at least hides) dissenting opinions -> total control of the nature of discourse online
Pretty much the quickest and slipperiest path to a totalitarian regime.
ShinySylvee
Member
Gaf has one of the largest barriers of entry to post on for any forum I've seen. It's really hard to ban evade here since the approval process takes so long. Strict mods help but it's really hard to keep people off your platform of they can spend 10 minutes and have another account to post with
Hip Hop
Member
Seems like this is it.
I want to see what type of videos they define as "hate speech".
NobleXenon
Member
Good; now fix your news.google section to prevent Breitbart and Fox News from showing up so we can go back to having factual news.
Google has been on the Moderation Train with its content creators etc. for sometime telling them to clean up or lose advertising.
Has far more to do with general perception than hate speech or anything. Have seen content creators who have made vlogs talking about past issues with drug dependency etc. get their videos knocked around on the grounds of advertisers do not want to have their ads played on controversial topics
Has far more to do with general perception than hate speech or anything. Have seen content creators who have made vlogs talking about past issues with drug dependency etc. get their videos knocked around on the grounds of advertisers do not want to have their ads played on controversial topics
AtomskEater
Member
Hm, this is definitely true. Not sure if I want other websites to implement similar sign up restrictions, so that would complicate it...
rokkerkory
Member
Good! Google come on
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
You couldn't view every single video in a million years, but if you turned off ads by default and made opting into displaying ads on your video require a manual approval that might work
Of course Google makes so much money off of all of those marginal videos that get a few hundred views without needing to pay the creators, so I'm sure they're in no rush to do that
IrishNinja
Member
god that would be fantastic
same, my logon is on a shared system and just having someone else watch gaming stuff made it a gg hive for a bit there, wanted to nuke it from orbit
yawn
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