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[AcademicSaucer]

Britain needs to have "difficult conversations" with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states about the funding of Islamist extremism, opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn said on Sunday, resuming his election campaign after a deadly attack in London.

The Labour party leader, who is hoping to win Thursday's national election, said the vote should go ahead to show democracy would not be halted by the London Bridge attack that left seven dead and 48 injured.

Earlier, Prime Minister Theresa May called for a stronger response to Islamist extremism after three knife-wielding assailants drove a hired van into pedestrians on London Bridge and stabbed others nearby.

Corbyn said Britain's democratic values must be maintained.

"We must resist Islamophobia and division and turn out on 8 June united in our determination to show our democracy is strong," Corbyn said in the text of a speech due to be delivered in Carlisle, north England.

"And, yes, we do need to have some difficult conversations starting with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states that have funded and fueled extremist ideology."


He attacked May for cutting police numbers during her tenure as interior minister and repeated his pledge to recruit 10,000 new police officers, including armed officers.

Opinion polls have shown Corbyn's Labour catching up fast with May's Conservative Party, putting into doubt her gamble that a snap election would boost her majority.

Source:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-corbyn-idUSKBN18V102?il=0

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Openly tying Saudi Arabia to terrorism? Bravest politician in the world just on that alone.

 

[qcf x2]

Openly tying Saudi Arabia to terrorism? Bravest politician in the world just on that alone.

But isn't this pretty much public knowledge at this point? That they fund the terrorists, while making financial / trade deals with the politicians of the affected countries.

 

[Xando]

I don't like Corbyn but he's right.

Until we confront the saudis and gulf states terrorism won't stop.

 

[Clefargle]

I'm no expert, but isn't Corbyn a twat? Very obvious statement, but I'm glad he said it. It needs to be reiterated that Wahhabism exudes from the saudis

 

[ClosingADoor]

He is 100% right. The funding from those countries of extremism needs to stop. It is unbelievable that we somehow still treat those countries as allies.

 

[gutter_trash]

But isn't this pretty much public knowledge at this point? That they fund the terrorists, while making financial / trade deals with the politicians of the affected countries.

yeah, and all countries that deal with Saudi Arabia are hypocrytes

it's time to call it what it is, Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship that sponsors terrorism and actively exports extremist ideologies and exports extremo imams across the world

 

[Zaph]

But isn't this pretty much public knowledge at this point? That they fund the terrorists, while making financial / trade deals with the politicians of the affected countries.

Public knowledge and discussing it openly on a geopolitical level are two very different things.

 

[daviyoung]

I'm no expert, but isn't Corbyn a twat?

As an expert on twats I can confirm that he isn't one. At least not as big a one as some of his colleagues.

 

[FZZ]

Same countries have fucked over Pakistan, Afghanistan, and other Muslim countries as well. Wahhabism is a cancer

Saudi is fucking scum

 

[GoldenEye 007]

But isn't this pretty much public knowledge at this point? That they fund the terrorists, while making financial / trade deals with the politicians of the affected countries.

Right. But for a politician to openly say it is completely different I think. Even Donald "Muslim Ban" Trump traveled there to get on his knees for the Saudi government.

 

[fantomena]

But isn't this pretty much public knowledge at this point?

I hope it is, but it seems like most politicians, especially on the right, is too PC to openly acknowledge it. Like Trump screams about racial islamic terrorism all the time, except when he's kneeling to the Saudis.

 

[MCN]

I'm no expert, but isn't Corbyn a twat?

Only in the eyes of Rupert Murdoch et al.

 

[Chocolate & Vanilla]

Compare and contrast to Amber Rudd (current Tory Home Sec.) defending selling arms to SA because it's "good for British Industry".

 

[Jonnax]

But isn't this pretty much public knowledge at this point? That they fund the terrorists, while making financial / trade deals with the politicians of the affected countries.

Yeah. But a lot of politicians deny it or they try changing the subject when it's mentioned because of the money.

Money money money, worth more than people's lives.

 

[norinrad]

I'm no expert, but isn't Corbyn a twat? Very obvious statement, but I'm glad he said it. It needs to be reiterated that Wahhabism exudes from the saudis

JC is not going anywhere. He has a huge young fanbase. He's also right about a certain kingdom that spends billions of oil money in certain activities.

 

[OverBlood 3]

He's the absolute boy for saying this.

I'm sick of politicians treating Saudi Arabia like the elephant in the room.

 

[gutter_trash]

Same countries have fucked over Pakistan, Afghanistan, and other Muslim countries as well. Wahhabism is a cancer

Saudi is fucking scum

this is facatually true, Pakistan and Afghanistan were perfectly normal before the mass exportation of extremism at the hands of the House of Sauds

 

[frankie_baby]

Compare and contrast to Amber Rudd (current Tory Home Sec.) defending selling arms to SA because it's "good for British Industry".

I think after the last couple of weeks a lot of workers at BAE would quite happily look for new jobs

 

[kmax]

As long as we keep accepting their checks and support their weapon capabilities, nothing will change.

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

Even class A knob head Boris Johnson came out last month and said this, before being reprimanded and locked in a cupboard for the election campaign for daring to criticise a 'vital partner'.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-about-saudi-arabia-not-the-governments-view


Gotta keep that oil flowing post-Brexit I guess....

 

[G.ZZZ]

He say good things, so he will lose. This is how democracy works.

I have a great idea. Let's do a form of government where people vote for one of two parties, and then the opposite party win. Since people on average are terrible, they're statistically more likely to choose the terrible party, and as such electing the other one would make more sense from an utilitarist standpoint of having the optimal form of government.

#gore2000sanders2016

 

[fantomena]

this is facatually true, Pakistan and Afghanistan were perfectly normal before the mass exportation of extremism at the hands of the House of Sauds

So true and don't forget that some middle-eastern countries were "fine" until the west came and dropped some freedom unto them.

He say good things, so he will lose. This is how democracy works.

I have a great idea. Let's do a form of government where people vote for one of two parties, and then the opposite party win. Since people on average are terrible, they're statistically more likely to choose the terrible party, and as such electing the other one would make more sense from an utilitarist standpoint of having the optimal form of government.

#gore2000sanders2016

Haha, Im with you.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." ~ Someone

 

[Empty]

completely right and it's also labour policy to ban uk companies from selling arms to the saudi's too because of their horrific actions in yemen.

 

[PantherLotus]

Here's a bit more of a nuanced explanation of how Gulf States can be tied to supporting extremism vis a vis the Syrian Civil War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFpanWNgfQY

(basically they are supporting the rebels, which are tinged with extremists, in response to Iranian support of Assad)

 

[Palette Swap]

Even class A knob head Boris Johnson came out last month and said this, before being reprimanded and locked in a cupboard for the election campaign for daring to criticise a 'vital partner'.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-about-saudi-arabia-not-the-governments-view


Gotta keep that oil flowing post-Brexit I guess....

The "funny" thing is that all these conservative types tend to shun green energy, when really, if you think KSA is a problem, having a less oil-dependent world is killing two birds with one stone.

Here's a bit more of a nuanced explanation of how Gulf States can be tied to supporting extremism vis a vis the Syrian Civil War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFpanWNgfQY

(basically they are supporting the rebels, which are tinged with extremists, in response to Iranian support of Assad)

This isn't just about Syria, they've been fucking the Middle East, Northern Africa and as a consequence Europe for decades.

 

[Beefy]

I'm no expert, but isn't Corbyn a twat? Very obvious statement, but I'm glad he said it. It needs to be reiterated that Wahhabism exudes from the saudis

Nope he isn't

 

[Kill Your Masters]

SA is a huge problem in this regard.

Yet every god damn leader of the so called free world goes to suck their balls after getting elected.

Obama, May, Trump, Merkel, Clinton, every single one - liberal, conservative, whatever - goes to rattle sabers, touch orbs, get some medallion, sell weapons, buy oil, make money. I guess it's worth it to have a bit of radicalisation to get that Saudi cash and oil.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

The "funny" thing is that all these conservative types tend to shun green energy, when really, if you think KSA is a problem, having a less oil-dependent world is killing two birds with one stone.

Liberals are terrible at messaging. It's an obvious move to try to tie green energy to national defense and increased independence. But I have no clue why liberals fail to make this connection.

 

[Breakage]

The fact that the UK continues to flog arms to a place like Saudi Arabia makes every speech of condemnation May gives in the aftermath of terror attack all the more insincere.

But as Boris Johnson said: "If we don't sell arms to Saudi Arabia, someone else will". As usual we are happy to put morals aside when large sums of money are involved.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Balls of steel.

 

[Heshinsi]

this is facatually true, Pakistan and Afghanistan were perfectly normal before the mass exportation of extremism at the hands of the House of Sauds

Don't forget Egypt opening their jails and sending loads of jailed Salafists there, in the hope that the Soviets would kill them all. Genius level thinking.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Just a populist statement.

If ISIS and Saudi Arabia have a shared DNA (wahhabi reform), Saudi Arabia represent the archenemy for ISIS/AlQaida. They call the royal familia "Salul" in reference with a double-faced individual who were working with the pagans against the muslims pretending to be muslims during the time of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ.

It's just on par with the corbynists crypto-assadist position on Syria. It's not as much an attack on ISIS that an indirect attack against syrian rebels. You will never heard him speak ill about the nefarious role of Iran in M-E when they are fuelling a lot of group as sectarian and terrorist as ISIS.

A lot of people on the left are buying the propaganda of the Assad regime, who see Saudi Arabia as the organizer of the chaos in Syria. To be fair, Saudi Arabia do exactly the same thing with Iran, they call their own political opposition iranian puppets.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

It was a great speech from Corbyn IMO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwUvAJH2ivs

 

[IdreamofHIME]

The truth is all well and good....but would he be willing to Nuke Saudi Arabia? That's the important question.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

SA is a huge problem in this regard.

Yet every god damn leader of the so called free world goes to suck their balls after getting elected.

Obama, May, Trump, Merkel, Clinton, every single one - liberal, conservative, whatever - goes to rattle sabers, touch orbs, get some medallion, sell weapons, buy oil, make money. I guess it's worth it to have a bit of radicalisation to get that Saudi cash and oil.

Those leaders hasve so much money and protection thaty they dont have to worry about terrorism, normal citizens are the ones that suffer from it.

 

[satriales]

I'm no expert, but isn't Corbyn a twat?

Quite the opposite. He's a principled man and unlike most politician he won't resort to dirty tactics and smears. Just take his recent statement on the Tory MP who was charged with election fraud:

”Nobody should be commenting on the details of an ongoing case. The police must be allowed to act independently to investigate on the basis of any evidence they've got, and the Crown Prosecution Service must be allowed to make its decision on whether to proceed on a case.

”It is a very bad road when democratically elected politicians start offering a running commentary on independent judicial processes. We have to have total separation of political and judicial powers in this country.

”All politicians need to be extremely careful – politicians are elected to parliament to be held to account by the public."

This is in the middle of an election and he's refuses to take an easy win as he knows it isn't morally right. Had it instead been a Labour MP that was charged then there's no doubt at all that the Torys would be mentioning it every chance they could.

 

[Stinkles]

Openly tying Saudi Arabia to terrorism? Bravest politician in the world just on that alone.

Well he's not wrong. If Saudi money were removed from the equation there's no exported wahabbism. It's crazy that we'd rather invade other countries than tell Saudi Arabia to knock it off. At the same time we're supporting Israel. Talk about bipolar geopolitical madness.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

But as Boris Johnson said: "If we don't sell arms to Saudi Arabia, someone else will".

That's why banning your own country from selling arms to them is counterproductive, but what can be done is that a country's military can boycott manufacturers that sell to Saudi Arabia. That means the manufacturer have a choice: they can either sell to Saudi Arabia and lose the British (and other) markets, or they can drop Saudi Arabia and gain access to the markets that are part of the boycott.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Just a populist statement.

If ISIS and Saudi Arabia have a shared DNA (wahhabi reform), Saudi Arabia represent the archenemy for ISIS/AlQaida. They call the royal familia "Salul" in reference with a double-faced individual who were working with the pagans against the muslims pretending to be muslims during the time of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ.

ISIS is new and just one more consequence of the ideology the Saudis have been spreading for decades all around the muslim world.

 

[naweednrahman]

It's a step in the right direction. Just opening dialogue that is. Better than staying silent.

 

[facetheslayer92]

Well he's not wrong. If Saudi money were removed from the equation there's no exported wahabbism. It's crazy that we'd rather invade other countries than tell Saudi Arabia to knock it off. At the same time we're supporting Israel. Talk about bipolar geopolitical madness.

It's an absolute clusterfuck. All because the Saudis have trillions of dollars in oil under their feet.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Openly tying Saudi Arabia to terrorism? Bravest politician in the world just on that alone.

+1

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

ISIS is new and just one more consequence of the ideology the Saudis have been spreading for decades all around the muslim world.

It's a really simplistic approach. Wahhabism don't explain ISIS alone.
ISIS is doctrinally wahhabi but politically the son of Seyyed Qutb, who was not wahhabi. If you don't have Qutb in the equation, you don't have ISIS/Al Qaida.

In France, Saudi Arabia printed ten of thousands of booklet who were spread in the mosque rebuking the arguments of ISIS.

French specialists (Burgat, Roy..) of islamist terrorism argue that salafism as a whole is playing a complicated role. Since Saudi Arabia is spreading a purely quietist form of wahhabism, it's a direct obstacle for politicization, hence, an obstacle for ISIS radicalization.

I used to have this kind of explanation, but you can see movement like the Muwahhidun in maghrib in the classical time, who did thing like the original wahhabi movement but from a rationalist perspective, killing people who had literalist interpretation of the attribute of God .

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Openly tying Saudi Arabia to terrorism? Bravest politician in the world just on that alone.

Marine le Pen/Mélenchon do the same thing.
Putin says the same thing. Iran says the same thing. Assad says the same thing.

Nothing brave or original.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

No shit.

Glad someone is calling them out on this.

 

[Heshinsi]

It's a really simplistic approach. Wahhabism don't explain ISIS alone.
ISIS is doctrinally wahhabi but politically the son of Seyyed Qutb, who was not wahhabi. If you don't have Qutb in the equation, you don't have ISIS/Al Qaida.

In France, Saudi Arabia printed ten of thousands of booklet who were spread in the mosque rebuking the arguments of ISIS.

French specialists (Burgat, Roy..) of islamist terrorism argue that salafism as a whole is playing a complicated role. Since Saudi Arabia is spreading a purely quietist form of wahhabism, it's a direct obstacle for politicization, hence, an obstacle for ISIS radicalization.

I used to have this kind of explanation, but you can see movement like the Muwahhidun in maghrib in the classical time, who did thing like the original wahhabi movement but from a rationalist perspective, killing people who had literalist interpretation of the attribute of God .

Qutb didn't spread the head banging Madrasahs to Pakistan; that was Saudi Arabia. Qutb also wasn't responsible for helping to unleash the Taliban on Afghanistan; that was Saudi Arabia and Pakistan's ISA. Qutb didn't use billions in newly acquired oil wealth to spread that cancerous Wahhabi ideology globally; that was Saudi Arabia and its Gulf Arab allies.

 

[Stinkles]

It's a really simplistic approach. Wahhabism don't explain ISIS alone.
ISIS is doctrinally wahhabi but politically the son of Seyyed Qutb, who was not wahhabi. If you don't have Qutb in the equation, you don't have ISIS/Al Qaida.

In France, Saudi Arabia printed ten of thousands of booklet who were spread in the mosque rebuking the arguments of ISIS.

French specialists (Burgat, Roy..) of islamist terrorism argue that salafism as a whole is playing a complicated role. Since Saudi Arabia is spreading a purely quietist form of wahhabism, it's a direct obstacle for politicization, hence, an obstacle for ISIS radicalization.

I used to have this kind of explanation, but you can see movement like the Muwahhidun in maghrib in the classical time, who did thing like the original wahhabi movement but from a rationalist perspective, killing people who had literalist interpretation of the attribute of God .

Nonsense. You're literally claiming whabbism is an obstacle to Isis? Gtfo. Embarrassing as usual. I prefer you when you're stanning for erdogan.

Marine le Pen/Mélenchon do the same thing.
Putin says the same thing. Iran says the same thing. Assad says the same thing.

Nothing brave or original.

I'm done with your intellectually dishonest shit. Ignore list.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Marine le Pen/Mélenchon do the same thing.

le Pen is a shithead, though. She can get bent. Don't know the other fellow.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Nonsense. You're literally claiming whabbism is an obstacle to Isis? Gtfo. Embarrassing as usual. I prefer you when you're stanning for erdogan.

No, i am saying that Saudi Arabia influence in France is. Saudi Arabia is perceived as a treason for hardcore wahhabi like ISIS/AQ.

You're caricatural as always. My arguments come from french/american academics about these issues.