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Crave: Thief PS4s Low Framerate is Proof that 1080p isnt Always the Answer
- Thread starter Phire Phox
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His personal info isn't posted. Just connected the dots to the crazy person who is the author of this article.
nelsonroyale
Member
Hmm, Deus Ex wasn't impressive graphically even when maxed on PCs. This game should be running 60 fps at 1080p on both systems. Looks pretty unimpressive visually.
ahahha wow
Goodacre0081
Member
isn't certification just to make sure the game doesn't crash the OS? I don't think performance, in-game bugs and quality are looked at.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Not a big difference I say.
The premise seems pretty simple - blind adherence to 1080p as a MUST HAVE resolution might not be ideal if the framerate suffers as a result. If the game could be 900p and have a rock solid 30 fps with a still acceptable image quality, that would probably be preferable to most people.
That goes back to the idea of 'balance' that people have a tragic tendency to just start overreacting to and creating console wars out of whenever someone mentions it.
Developers - no matter what the platform, even PC - need to make concessions to hit the goal they have in mind. They can choose to hit 1080p and laden the engine with effects until it chokes down into the single frames per second so they have an amazing looking slide show or - which is the more realistic result - they find some balance of less effects and lower resolution that gives an acceptable frame rate while maintaining the atmosphere they wanted for the game. On PC they can simply demand the user buy new hardware if they want the image AND acceptable framerate, accepting that sales may suffer (or grow) because of the hardware requirements, but on PS4/Xbox One they need to make those decisions before it ships.
Read the thread. 720p doesn't fix poor optimization. The game dips into single digits on both platforms.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Before I comment on this.
Did OP really pick THIS ARTICLE of all ARTICLES from N4G to post here? I mean, come on now, we all know how that site functions. I seen this in my feeds and it was a load of bull from the get.
To comment on this.
I believe it's shoddy programming. Evidence proves that other heavy cinematic games like AC4, KZ:SF, Tomb Raider etc.. are capable of handling itself well on both platform especially the PS4. Now all of a sudden the PS4 can't handle it? That's bull and this article is trying to fight the good fight. The PS4 nor the Xbox version doesn't handle well, and 1080p doesn't change that. It could of been 900p or 720p, if the game runs like crap, it runs like crap. All this article is really trying to do is discredit the PS4 with one game. I don't understand how Thief under-performing due to its tight budget compared to other games, is a reason to be concerned about future Sony titles that will do it right. Please..
Did OP really pick THIS ARTICLE of all ARTICLES from N4G to post here? I mean, come on now, we all know how that site functions. I seen this in my feeds and it was a load of bull from the get.
To comment on this.
I believe it's shoddy programming. Evidence proves that other heavy cinematic games like AC4, KZ:SF, Tomb Raider etc.. are capable of handling itself well on both platform especially the PS4. Now all of a sudden the PS4 can't handle it? That's bull and this article is trying to fight the good fight. The PS4 nor the Xbox version doesn't handle well, and 1080p doesn't change that. It could of been 900p or 720p, if the game runs like crap, it runs like crap. All this article is really trying to do is discredit the PS4 with one game. I don't understand how Thief under-performing due to its tight budget compared to other games, is a reason to be concerned about future Sony titles that will do it right. Please..
his name is on the article. his name was his user name. whats the problem
NullPointer
Member
And I'd even bet that most here would choose framerate over resolution, given the choice in a game like Titanfall. Sure seems that way from my anecdotal read from previous threads and comments.
Ultimately there is no universal silver bullet when you have to make performance tradeoffs. You have to make the best choices given how the game plays and what options are actually feasible.
That said I'd consider any game with single digit framerates to be broken.
Metalingus5150
Member
Nice try Phire Phox.
The article is signed "Jonathan Leack"
Google Jonathan Leack crave twitter
Result: @jleack
Search jleack
Result: Neogaf
I don't see any personal info there.
The Cowboy
Member
And the HR DC version still is, I have no faith in this dev team fixing/optimizing this on PS4 after the abandoned the DC of HR.
Remember this interview?
http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/thief..._producer_suggests_60fps_not_a_necessity.html
I guess >20 fps isn't a necessity to them, either.
http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/thief..._producer_suggests_60fps_not_a_necessity.html
I guess >20 fps isn't a necessity to them, either.
KennyLinder
Member
Cert is full QA process done be FQA (Format QA) or FPQA (First Party QA) (for Sony platforms). This comes after the game has gone through its internal QA process and has been put forward for submission.
Shitty framerates get through of course, but its all tested and reported.
Hexa
Member
Its probably a good idea to ban sites that employ fanboys so transparent that they make posts like that. :/
Oh well. I'll wait for Digital Foundry.
Uh...
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Game's not done, and we know the PS4 can handle 1080p just fine, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were less than stellar optimization efforts between different developers. It does happen, but I'd wait for the finished game before believing this stuff.
Jonathan Leack ‏@jleack Feb 22
Something about Thief is going to blow up the console war once embargo is lifted.
Jonathan Leack ‏@jleack 8h
Here's the megaton I was talking about: http://www.craveonline.com/?p=650465
#thief #ps4 #xboxone
this guy seems legit
Something about Thief is going to blow up the console war once embargo is lifted.
Jonathan Leack ‏@jleack 8h
Here's the megaton I was talking about: http://www.craveonline.com/?p=650465
#thief #ps4 #xboxone
this guy seems legit
HORRORSHØW
Member
dat agenda.
reptilescorpio
Member
Stop ganging up on Phire Phox! His posts are highly entertaining if not correct.
Terrible to hear that both the X1 and PS4 versions dip so badly
Terrible to hear that both the X1 and PS4 versions dip so badly
you are very wrong
zerokoolpsx
Member
Single digit frames on UE3?
Its a crappy port.
Its a crappy port.
pretty done
Member
A shoddy port of one of the worst looking PS4 games is surely going to blow up the console war.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Wow, talk about diverse opinions.
Guess we have to wait for Digital Foundrys analysis.
Guess we have to wait for Digital Foundrys analysis.
This sort of argument bothers me. It is like saying, my email doesn't work well so lets go back to writing on stone tablets. Instead of saying, my email isn't working lets write on paper and send a letter. 1080 is email and 720 is paper in this analogy, 480 is the stone tablet.
KennyLinder
Member
The game is finished, reviewed and out this week.
Pathetic on so many levels.
Console wars aside, just what the hell happened to this project.
Issues like this added to the fact that the game had a stupidly long dev time, clearly had development hell issues going on and the team forgot what Thief was meant to be about along the way.
Of course the game uses UE3, which is baffling considering that the team could've and should've switched to the Crystal engine used for HR and the rest of the former Eidos devs. Instead they load UE3 with crap, making an engine that could run on a toaster by now chug on next gen systems and PC too, while not exactly looking "next gen" at all.
Er..wow. Think this one will go down in the manuals of "How to not make a AAA game". SE take note.
Issues like this added to the fact that the game had a stupidly long dev time, clearly had development hell issues going on and the team forgot what Thief was meant to be about along the way.
Of course the game uses UE3, which is baffling considering that the team could've and should've switched to the Crystal engine used for HR and the rest of the former Eidos devs. Instead they load UE3 with crap, making an engine that could run on a toaster by now chug on next gen systems and PC too, while not exactly looking "next gen" at all.
Er..wow. Think this one will go down in the manuals of "How to not make a AAA game". SE take note.
Goodacre0081
Member
so tested and reported but not rejected correct? is there a bare minimum performance threshold that needs to be met before the OK is given?
Stop ganging up on Phire Phox! His posts are highly entertaining if not correct.
Terrible to hear that both the X1 and PS4 versions dip so badly
Man I feel bad for poor Phire Phox. First he set his sights on little old Firefox, which is declining more than Steve Ballmer's bank account and now he has to deal with this Xbox One business.
It seems like it's not really that optimized for PC either unfortunately.
Syphon Filter
Member
whoa wtf,unexpected.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Really, wasn't the game delayed I heard? I remember reading that online, or I can't remember if I read it in a post here on GAF.
SJRB
Gold Member
Good lord.
We should just stop giving this guy attention, remove the link from the OP and just close this nonsense down.
Phrozenflame500
Member
Framerate>Resolution>Graphical quality is the proper hierarchy. This "but it doesn't matttteerrrr" bullshit are contrarian gaming journalists who don't know what they're talking about.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
1080p is the question, optimisation is the answer.
Funny how the article is trying to blame the hardware for being too good.
Funny how the article is trying to blame the hardware for being too good.
Misterxmedia's real person finally found? Can it be true? Secret Sauce enabled on the new Thief?
Probably just needs to not hang for moments without anything happening like when you have bad settings set on your computer for a game. Even a solid 5 FPS would be preferable there (though I sure as hell hope it's also the same kind of game we would've actually gotten at that FPS decades ago rather than a modern, faster paced shooter or whatever.)
KennyLinder
Member
There is a minimum framerate requirement. In fact there might be two, interactive and non-interactive. I can't remember exactly what the number is (I can find out in the morning). IIRC it was 10fps for a duration of X seconds, but I honeslty can't remember.
But yes it could be rejected if the framerate made the game literally unplayable. I am sure some games have managed to squeeze by in the past though...
Windom Earle
Member
Phire Phox posting agenda driven thread, who would have thought.
Fbh
Member
Most reviews I've read mention frame rate issues on both the Ps4 and X1. No review I've seen mentions a notorious difference between one and the other, which I think they would do if the game truly went to single digit fps.
Still, this looks like lazy porting.
From the video I've seen this game doesn't look very good as far as graphics go (compared to other cross gen games like battlefield or even Black Flag), I can hardly imagine it pushing the next gen consoles.
Still, this looks like lazy porting.
From the video I've seen this game doesn't look very good as far as graphics go (compared to other cross gen games like battlefield or even Black Flag), I can hardly imagine it pushing the next gen consoles.
KennyLinder
Member
Feb 28th (UK) unless Amazon are wrong. All the reviews came out though?
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Seriously, this is an Unreal Engine cross generational game, what the heck happened? It should at least be like Tomb Raider in terms of respective graphical boost and performance a la PS4/XBone.
SJRB
Gold Member
Of course the game is not delayed. It comes out in the US tomorrow, the 27th in Australia and the 28th in Europe.
boredandlazy
Member
Do these people actually believe what they are typing? Are they so clouded in their judgement that they can't see the obvious? Or are they just such pathetic people that they're deliberately peddling lies? I really can't get my head around this sort of thing. It's a damn games console, not the second coming of Jesus.
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