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CultOfMac:Why the new Apple TV will kill your Xbox or Playstation(hint:Motion ctrl)
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Teletraan1
Banned
The people who drank the apple flavored kool aid in this cult. Your points could be used for most apple products outside of software for the phone. They have a pretty good ecosystem in that regard. You could buy a windows laptop with better specs for half the price of the comparable apple product and have a much larger library of software available to you. People still buy Macbooks. When people put brands above all else these are the strange consumer decisions that are made. They make no logical sense but at least they look cool.
I'd like to have what you're smoking. Christ.
This is not going to happen. It's gonna have a fun time trying to beat PS1/Wii
Omega Kirby
Member
Hahahahah this is rich
Nope. lol
SwiftDeath
Member
I really don't see the games aspect of this device truly being what sells it to whatever consumers actually buy it. It seems a secondary benefit to owning the device.
Just like past Apple TVs, I think interoperability with other Apple devices (airplay, share app/itunes library) will be the biggest selling point to the majority of people who actually buy this.
The individuals who value iphones and ipads as media consumption devices are going to be less likely to view this as the main/first choice for viewing content/games simply because the convenience of a phone or tablet is among the main benefits to such devices. Kids and adults can play their games, watch their videos on their ipads in the living room, kitchen, bedroom, car etc. whereas this device will be limited to where its setup.
Unless Apple does something really interesting and useful on the TV side of things, I don't think the game aspects of the TV will blow up really. I mean I certainly could be wrong as its hard to predict what the market wants but it doesn't seem like Apples really doing anything that interesting with it quite yet.
Just like past Apple TVs, I think interoperability with other Apple devices (airplay, share app/itunes library) will be the biggest selling point to the majority of people who actually buy this.
The individuals who value iphones and ipads as media consumption devices are going to be less likely to view this as the main/first choice for viewing content/games simply because the convenience of a phone or tablet is among the main benefits to such devices. Kids and adults can play their games, watch their videos on their ipads in the living room, kitchen, bedroom, car etc. whereas this device will be limited to where its setup.
Unless Apple does something really interesting and useful on the TV side of things, I don't think the game aspects of the TV will blow up really. I mean I certainly could be wrong as its hard to predict what the market wants but it doesn't seem like Apples really doing anything that interesting with it quite yet.
Someone will probably call it something dumb like "waggle" though...
I don't automatically expect a late-to-the-party Apple to be all that compelling. Seeing the way they cluster-fucked Apple Music illustrates to me that even when they take years to enter a market, they can still fuck it up majorly.
Or they just want a Macbook.
captmcblack
Member
Sell all your consoles, it's all over?
Well, while this will probably not be the thing that kills consoles or dedicated set-top boxes for high-end gaming, I'm sure this version of the Apple TV will be much more successful as the trojan horse for getting Apple in your livingroom.
Well, while this will probably not be the thing that kills consoles or dedicated set-top boxes for high-end gaming, I'm sure this version of the Apple TV will be much more successful as the trojan horse for getting Apple in your livingroom.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
This isn't the verge?
So many people are getting trolled by that headline. Don't think that Apple TV is ever being marketed as a replacement PS4. Apple doesn't care about that market and this device is not meant to replace a current gen console. Apple is only interested in using gaming as an extra carrot for the larger market of casual tech users.
Some of these kneejerk responses are hilarious.
Some of these kneejerk responses are hilarious.
fluffydelusions
Member
Apple reinvents the game console
I heard it'll outsell the PS2 by tomorrow at the rate it's selling!
Sola Scriptura
Member
What a cute article. Everyone and his grandma knows that if Apple is targeting any "gamers" at all with the new Apple TV, it's the casual market.
The other thing I'm thinking about is launch games.
Has Apple been working with third party devs behind the scenes to get some for this thing?
I remember EA teased Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare on iOS a long time ago, but then nothing seemed to come of it. That would be an interesting semi-casual game for the Apple TV.
Has Apple been working with third party devs behind the scenes to get some for this thing?
I remember EA teased Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare on iOS a long time ago, but then nothing seemed to come of it. That would be an interesting semi-casual game for the Apple TV.
I don't doubt that the hardware/mindshare could be there to allow the Apple TV to become a gaming platform, but it sure as shit isn't going to happen until Apple actually cares enough to curate games on the storefront and not leave us with literally thousands of shovelware crap.
qa_engineer
Member
I've received a temp ban for posting "clickbait" + a sentence explaining why such an article is click bait.
here is the very post that got me temp banned. Just an FYI so you don't get banned as well.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174888129&postcount=189
The casual market is orders of magnitude larger than us. It's tapping them that makes your console sell well. Without them, they peter out a lot quicker than you'd like.
That is if you can tap them. That's the tough part
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
I do love Apple products, but
Jesus christ
Replace 'L' with 'N' and we're nearly there.
I gotta say, and someone who's been told about Apple's new secret controller that's been in the works for years, this is extraordinarily disappointing.
I expected something more than a fire stick.
Portugeezer
Member
Wii HD is finally here.
infiniteloop
Member
I would think it's very likely they'll have some devs come on stage and demo this thing next week.
shysaursoft
Member
The "cult of" thing is just a branding thing, guys.
"Cult-o-media Corp".
I mean, yeah, it's a dumb gimmick, but people are acting like it killed their dog. They're just playing up to a perceived demographic, not unlike say, a forum "for gamers by gamers", etc.
Clickbait gonna clickbait.
"Cult-o-media Corp".
I mean, yeah, it's a dumb gimmick, but people are acting like it killed their dog. They're just playing up to a perceived demographic, not unlike say, a forum "for gamers by gamers", etc.
Clickbait gonna clickbait.
badcrumble
Member
I *do* think there's a still-vacant space that the Wii briefly occupied that could see a successor again, but the Wii required some serious killer-app software to take off the way it did. If it had supported 1080p and had best-in-class media-box support, Nintendo would've taken over the world (but it didn't).
Apple's likely to have all of those ingredients *except* for killer-app gaming software. I suspect they'll still do really well, but they won't be competing very directly with the XB1 or PS4 (and in fact high-end specialty devices generally don't get obliterated by lower-end broad-purpose devices - they may get eclipsed by their popularity but they don't actually have their own sales taken away).
The XB1 and PS4 at their current levels of success are quite well protected against something like the Apple TV or even against mobile gaming, but a lot of the *growth* in the next ten years will be in the latter sort of areas.
Apple's likely to have all of those ingredients *except* for killer-app gaming software. I suspect they'll still do really well, but they won't be competing very directly with the XB1 or PS4 (and in fact high-end specialty devices generally don't get obliterated by lower-end broad-purpose devices - they may get eclipsed by their popularity but they don't actually have their own sales taken away).
The XB1 and PS4 at their current levels of success are quite well protected against something like the Apple TV or even against mobile gaming, but a lot of the *growth* in the next ten years will be in the latter sort of areas.
Read up on the concept of the innovator's dilemma.
I think both Sony and Microsoft saw this coming years ago. Hence the "TV, TV, TV" focus of the Xbox One and the bet on streaming by Sony. Maybe one day, PlayStation will be a streaming app you run on your Apple TV.
badcrumble
Member
I'm familiar with the innovator's dilemma and disruption theory, yeah - it's just that when disruption from below happens, it (usually) doesn't kill the existing high-end market so much as it captures a ton of untapped growth and kills the high-end market's eventual future growth. I do think they're trying to fend off low-end disruption, but the problem with adding media features is that anything can do those things (see the long-running joke about Netflix running on your toaster).
But yeah, I do think a streaming focus is smart for them as a future investment in case they no longer hold the hardware platform at some point in the future.
Also, the TechCrunch article this CultOfMac piece repackages (with less information and a more incendiary headline) is way more worth reading than what's linked in the OP.
Quadraphonic
Member
Roku is still the one to beat.
Roku is still the one to beat.
Because Roku as shitload of streaming content.
There's dedicated software for this?
Anything at all that solve a problem a customer have?
Are there better alternatives that do similar or better for less?
This is the kind of questions the new Apple Tv should be responding to.
An Apple Tv with a fancy controller won't set the world on fire that's for sure.
e: I also doubt that the Apple's mote is anything like Nintendo's considering the amount of patents Nintendo have on this kind of tech.
Anything at all that solve a problem a customer have?
Are there better alternatives that do similar or better for less?
This is the kind of questions the new Apple Tv should be responding to.
An Apple Tv with a fancy controller won't set the world on fire that's for sure.
e: I also doubt that the Apple's mote is anything like Nintendo's considering the amount of patents Nintendo have on this kind of tech.
Reallink
Member
The same billion people that buy $650-1000 iPhones rather than $200-300 Moto/Nexus/One+. If true, Nintendo's the one really in trouble cause there's a very high chance the NX is going to be an identically priced micro console itself.
neogaffer1
Banned
this broke me
Roku is still the one to beat.
wow, google aimed for the king and didn't fucking miss.
(well, they did, but they killed roku's market share and got to #2 by doing so).
neogaffer1
Banned
edit: dp
Roku is still the one to beat.
Fire TV has now passed Apple TV too. Not sure releasing a 200 dollar streaming box is going to help them, but I guess we'll see what kind of extras they intend to offer. I don't think their plan to charge 40+ dollars for a cable streaming service is going to be attractive to too many people. Ala carte would seem like a better choice to attract people sick of paying a flat fee for a selection of channels they have no decision over.
Looking at this graph it's pretty clear to me chromecast will have handily overtaken roku this year. I don't think roku has much of an international presence either.Roku is still the one to beat.