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Dad and sister of mine think that the cure for cancer exists but is hidden
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A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Alternative and integrative medicine is the absolute worst. Talk about snake oil salesman. Some go as far as suiung critics and calling for violence against doctors and scientists. The sad thing is that it is being accepted more and more in healthcare. Completely goes against medical caution and burden of proof.
You're not getting enough coral calcium in your diet, breh. That was their secret. That is how people in the Bible lived to be hundreds of years old.
Bonfires Down
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Are you saying that most peoples diet is a-ok or that diet has nothing to do with cancer?
As long as they aren't forcing this opinion on you, or getting angry at you for not agreeing, I don't see why you should be so hostile or angry towards them no matter how stupid/irrational you think they are being. The reality is, sometimes the closest people to you believe in really dumb shit. But it's not worth souring the relationship just because you know they are wrong.
I said neither
I think/hope jmdajr is saying that people incorrectly treat cancer like a completely modern disease, when 1. plenty of people died from it in the past and we just weren't able to diagnose it with much specificity, 2. we're seeing more people dying from cancer because as life expectancy increases, so do the risks of getting cancer.
Why would a company invest money on research only to table it because they want to sell half measures? People spend tens of thousands of dollars on treatments just to extend their life with cancer. Imagine what they would pay for a cure.
It is true that companies and charities tend to only spend time and money on widespread well know diseases. That is a tragedy much more real than some silly conspiracy theory.
What diet prevents HPV?
Wait... I'm guessing you are joking. The exclamation point gives it away.
BruceLeeRoy
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Exactly, and were done here.
The cumulative knowledge that the scientific community has with regards to the human body and its inner workings is so woefully inadequate it definitely is scary. Almost every aspect of our biology sits behind a black box.
Nah, it's easier to just dismish theories. People would rather die than think.
Mammoth Jones
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If there was it'd be sold as a treatment. Just like diabetes meds.
If you think about it for one second, this "theory" falls apart completely.
Here's a good article I read recently.
An Apple a Day, and Other Myths
Eating right is important, but so far there is no undeniable proof that eating a certain way will cure or prevent cancer.
I was eating healthy,exercising,wasn't overweight, no high blood sugar or bad cholesterol, no drinking or drugs.... my reward..... BALL CANCER! :\
it sure makes you humble.
Large Study Finds Vegetarians Have Poorer Health, Lower Quality of Life Than Meat-Eaters
That health arrogance!
In the end treat yourself the best you can, go to the doctor regularly, and well.. good luck! Hope for the best!
An Apple a Day, and Other Myths
Eating right is important, but so far there is no undeniable proof that eating a certain way will cure or prevent cancer.
I was eating healthy,exercising,wasn't overweight, no high blood sugar or bad cholesterol, no drinking or drugs.... my reward..... BALL CANCER! :\
it sure makes you humble.
Large Study Finds Vegetarians Have Poorer Health, Lower Quality of Life Than Meat-Eaters
That health arrogance!
In the end treat yourself the best you can, go to the doctor regularly, and well.. good luck! Hope for the best!
Yeah, the scientific and medical community are well-known for their reluctance to think and investigate something objectively.
It is indeed very easy to dismiss theories like this because there isn't a single shred of evidence that supports it. To actually believe them despite of any evidence is not thinking, it's creating a paranoid conspiracy-fueled narrative in your own head.
LSauchelli
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Grab a list of famous and rich people that died from Cancer. See how they move the goalposts.
There are still people who believe that Magic Johnson got some secret HIV cure that's reserved for certain people. It's a convincing narrative to some, even if it's BS.
BruceLeeRoy
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Rough marriage huh?
Absolutely. People that believe this "theory" could open a book and look up what cancer actually is.
Then they can start making up other conspiracy theories with a better factual basis.
The cruel irony of this is that Jobs may have hastened his own death by buying into alternative medicine and turning to that instead of real treatment.
If there was a true cure for cancer (I highly highly doubt there is), it would probably result in a lot of people needing to find new work since cancer research and treatment facilities would either be obsolete or downsized.
You don't think there are greedy people out there that would fight that?
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You don't think there are greedy people out there that would fight that?
I don't believe there is a cure, but I also don't want to underestimate human greed
Human greed would sell the cure at a very high price because they'd want a return on investment for the years of research and incredible amounts of money spent to find it.
That is, unless you go with the narrative that it's something cheap or freely available, in which case we descend ever deeper into the conspiracy rabbit hole.
Though in his case he was going to die either way. It's not like there was effective medecine available that could save him.
and cancer Treatment can make you pretty miserable.
To be blunt, they're quite ill-informed and sound ignorant.
"Cancer" isn't really even a singular thing, it makes no sense to have a "cure for cancer". Only methods to treat particular occurrences of it. It's good to be skeptical and not blindly trust the government, but there's a point where it's paranoia and delusions rather than productive skepticism. Your father and sister appear to have reached that point.
"Cancer" isn't really even a singular thing, it makes no sense to have a "cure for cancer". Only methods to treat particular occurrences of it. It's good to be skeptical and not blindly trust the government, but there's a point where it's paranoia and delusions rather than productive skepticism. Your father and sister appear to have reached that point.
Not true.
Our ancestors simply did not live long enough for cancer to manifest itself. Cancer can occurs naturally in all animals as they get older. Increased life expectancy and better diagnostic tools are responsible for increased cancer rate more so than our diet (although cigarettes and alcohol consumption aren't helping either). *Colon cancer is about the only type where there is hard evidence that ones diet can either increase or decrease the likelihood of cancer. Either way there is no definitive way to avoid cancer.
Diet and Cancer (NIH)
RobotVM
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Same thing happen to my grandfather but it was lung cancer.
GungHo
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The problem with the "complex" answer is that you're giving it to simple-minded people who aren't really capable of imagining that sort of complexity. It's like explaining single payer public health care plans to poor Republicans. They don't understand how the sausage machine works, and they don't want to know... all they know is someone they trusted told them it was bad (even if that person was themselves), and they have faith that the person who told them that isn't lying to them (particularly if that person was themselves), so that's good enough for them. At best, they have a mental checklist of things they don't like and like (and things like the government get multiple, weighted checks), and there are fewer checks for things they like and for what they don't like, so they're done with the analysis at that point. Occasionally there is a vetting process that lasts all of one question: "Why would they (I) lie about this?"... which is a question that they think they know the answer to as they ask it, but they are actually incapable of understanding the true answer because they are asking it from a simple-minded perspective.
And, don't get me wrong, some people who have this sort of simple-minded process are actually sometimes quite intelligent people... about other subjects. But not this one.
If there was a cure it would be cheaper than those half measures and many enterprises would join the cause and some cancer stripes would be so cheap that they wouldn't win a desirable money.
Treatments that are not final are the best for pharmaceuticals.
No. I mean you are welcome to try anything and people do out of desperation but you would be hard pressed to find actual scientific evidence to support such claims.
OP I highly recommend that your father and sister read the Emperor of all Maladies. It will really give them a completely different outlook on the fight against cancer.
The amazing thing is that we actually know a lot. The prescribing information of some drugs, for example, sounds like sci-fi sometimes, with all the detail on how X component binds with Y molecule and causes Z changes into cell membrane and etc. However, there's so much more that we still don't know that it's crazy, specially when it comes to such a complex system with so many different parts interacting with each other. I imagine that we'll need AI or something like that to get past a certain knowledge barriers in the future.
reddmyst
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I'm not sure about cancer, but if you have the cure for something you can't really make money off the person after they have been cured of it.
I would imagine something like cancer that required lots of medicine or treatments on a person, you'd be able to make money off since its not really a cure.
I would imagine something like cancer that required lots of medicine or treatments on a person, you'd be able to make money off since its not really a cure.
This, pharmacology blew my mind when I delved into it for the first time. It's beautiful.
PHOENIXZERO
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My mother believes this shit too, go as far to actually believe that conman/quack Stanislaw Burzynski is legit and the government at the behest of the pharmaceutical industry has been on a campaign to shut him down. As if, if they really wanted someone stopped they couldn't just have him disappear or have an "accident". But at least recently I might've finally gotten through to her that he's a conman. Then again, she's also a fan of various televangelists and was into the "faith healer" crap, ugh.
That scumbag Kevin Trudeau has his own following of suckers that made him very rich and he'll probably be even more so after he gets out of prison again. It's unfortunate that even in this day and age where you can look up damn near everything on such figures in a matter of seconds that somehow, they still manage to have a large, supportive following it's pretty much all the same sort of people who also believe various ill-informed if not outright wrong crackpot conspiracy theories and will refuse to acknowledge anything that contradicts it and no amount of debunking will change it.
Guess ought to just get use to the fact that there's a large segment of the population that's susceptible to this shit and it isn't going to change any time soon.
That scumbag Kevin Trudeau has his own following of suckers that made him very rich and he'll probably be even more so after he gets out of prison again. It's unfortunate that even in this day and age where you can look up damn near everything on such figures in a matter of seconds that somehow, they still manage to have a large, supportive following it's pretty much all the same sort of people who also believe various ill-informed if not outright wrong crackpot conspiracy theories and will refuse to acknowledge anything that contradicts it and no amount of debunking will change it.
Guess ought to just get use to the fact that there's a large segment of the population that's susceptible to this shit and it isn't going to change any time soon.
Sho_Nuff82
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But people are never going to stop getting cancer. If you had the cure, and you patented it, you would have 10 years to make more money than you could ever spend in 10 lifetimes, you'd receive every significant scientific award, you'd have the eternal gratitude of hundreds of millions of people even as they were emptying their pockets to make you wealthy, and you'd go down in history as the most important person of the 21st century. It's mind-bottling that someone would keep all that a secret for the good of the company that might not even exist in 10 years due to competition, failed products, or acquisition.
Again, the conspiracy requires a level of irrational loyalty that the current cancer treatment money can't buy.
Edit: Hell, there are people with unregulated fake therapies making money hand over fist with nothing but a few infomercials and self-help books.
BruceLeeRoy
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Most of drug prescription is to close to pinning the tail on the donkey. It truly is a game of guessing with the doctor having no real idea what is really going on or how you will react.
I'm not one of those people that thinks going to the doctor is crazy but we really don't know as much as you would hope.
Sho_Nuff82
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Most individual doctors and scientists know relatively little about the problems we face as a whole, but cumulatively, the knowledge base is vast. Frighteningly so.
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GameAddict411
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it would have been more understandable if it was an excitic virus or a bacterial infection, but the problem with cancer that the disease is coming from a rogue cells created by your body. killing each individual cell with very high accuracy is extremely difficult.
i think the day cancer becomes a normal sickness is when technology progress enough for smart nanomachines to become real, which are then injected to the body. their sole job is to attack cancer directly without any collateral damage with 100% accuracy. this will remove all side effect that is common with chemo and radio therapy, and guarantees recovery.
i think the day cancer becomes a normal sickness is when technology progress enough for smart nanomachines to become real, which are then injected to the body. their sole job is to attack cancer directly without any collateral damage with 100% accuracy. this will remove all side effect that is common with chemo and radio therapy, and guarantees recovery.
BruceLeeRoy
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This is mostly what I am getting at. I know we have a huge knowledge base but wisdom or the proper application and understanding of any of that knowledge is woefully inadequate.
John OJ. O'Johnjey
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The blind arrogance of the U.S.A. (or WASP) "culture" , and his "faithful servants", rooted in the fierce competition, materialism, reductionism, scientism, positivism, in the "I do not see I do not think," is fully manifested on these virtual pages:
there is an OCEAN of SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE ( e.g. the "Di Bella" cure , for example, AMONG MANY MANY OTHERS) of TESTIMONIALS, of DIRECT EXPERIENCE ... and yet you prefer to take refuge in sarcasm, in the boundless conceit, into attitude, in fatalism, ...
there are none so deaf as those who will not hear;
do yourself a bathroom humility, REALLY PUT YOURSELF IN QUESTION ,EXPERIENCE, LISTEN TO ALL THE BELLS AND WHOSE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED PERSONALLY;
if only in these places do not banish "mercilessly" when the 'policy' of the "upper floors" is not respected, i will put my time and energy to chip away at the short-sighted and presumptuous fiercely positions that I see spilling out like mushrooms on "hot topics" with the implicit and ill-concealed TAXATION towards the same "open-minded" position, otherwise the ban, with childish sarcasm and fierce in outline.
Greetings: sarcasm ahead with free content and humility: the U.S. : The pinnacle of modern civilization ... (THIS is instead sarcasm)
there is an OCEAN of SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE ( e.g. the "Di Bella" cure , for example, AMONG MANY MANY OTHERS) of TESTIMONIALS, of DIRECT EXPERIENCE ... and yet you prefer to take refuge in sarcasm, in the boundless conceit, into attitude, in fatalism, ...
there are none so deaf as those who will not hear;
do yourself a bathroom humility, REALLY PUT YOURSELF IN QUESTION ,EXPERIENCE, LISTEN TO ALL THE BELLS AND WHOSE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED PERSONALLY;
if only in these places do not banish "mercilessly" when the 'policy' of the "upper floors" is not respected, i will put my time and energy to chip away at the short-sighted and presumptuous fiercely positions that I see spilling out like mushrooms on "hot topics" with the implicit and ill-concealed TAXATION towards the same "open-minded" position, otherwise the ban, with childish sarcasm and fierce in outline.
Greetings: sarcasm ahead with free content and humility: the U.S. : The pinnacle of modern civilization ... (THIS is instead sarcasm)
Well everyone's grandparents that don't like doctors aren't completely crazy. Hospitals are the third largest killer behind heart disease and cancer. Still no excuse not to get treatment for cancer though.
Also in regards to not being able to treat cancer with a vaccine 'like a virus', a fun fact is that a good portion of available chemotherapies are immunotherapies, which induce the body's immune system to see the cancer as an invader so it attacks a specific target on the cancer cells, which is somewhat similar to how a vaccine prevents viral infections. But no, there's no 'cure' that someone is keeping secret.
Not only are cancer targets specific (rather than there being a single 'cure') the trend is and has been towards more and more specificity, so much so that drugs can be tailored to a patient's/cancer's specific DNA/mutation.
You should be fucking ashamed of yourself. There's an ocean of research that shows that the Di Bella "cure" doesn't work at all.
John OJ. O'Johnjey
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PLEASE, point me toward it : act with pragmatism, and not with sarcasm and with the stick of morality in your hand ready to beat me
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