The OP was already blown off by customer service.
He was blown off by a call center nobody. I can promise an elevation will get him a refund, now way it doesn't.
The OP was already blown off by customer service.
A problem would be another hack of PSN or something similar. Being unable to download these two titles while they patch them is not a problem, it's an inconvenience.
Sony's really damned either way. They pull the titles immediately once they recognize the exploit and they're a-holes. If they wait and then that exploit grows into something more dangerous then they get criticized for not moving fast enough.
But that's okay, just like after the PSN hack they'll offer up a month of plus and a free $4 game and a promise to never let it happen again and then all will be forgotten.
In any case, Sony is not doing anything sinister here.
A problem would be another hack of PSN or something similar. Being unable to download these two titles while they patch them is not a problem, it's an inconvenience.
Sony's really damned either way. They pull the titles immediately once they recognize the exploit and they're a-holes. If they wait and then that exploit grows into something more dangerous then they get criticized for not moving fast enough.
But that's okay, just like after the PSN hack they'll offer up a month of plus and a free $4 game and a promise to never let it happen again and then all will be forgotten.
In any case, Sony is not doing anything sinister here.
No timetable has been given for these games' potential return to the store, which probably sucks for the surely thousands upon thousands of people who were moments away from buying Arctic Edge and Hot Shots Tennis, only to suddenly find themselves denied, and thus suddenly unsure what to do with themselves. Undoubtedly they will now wander the Earth, searching for some kind of meaning in life now that Arctic Edge and Hot Shots Tennis are no longer available for download. Without those games to entertain them, they'll undoubtedly take up with unruly, meth-dealing biker gangs, find work in seedy, Triad-owned strip clubs, and perhaps even dabble in cannibalism, as all wandering souls eventually do.
This blood is on your hands, Sony.
Everyone affected by this should get together and file a class action lawsuit.
Oh wait you can't because you gave that right away in order to use the PSN.
Or Amazon?
Given the nature of PC this issue in and of itself literally can not exist, and should it somehow become secure and piracy-proof it'll probably be Microsoft doing this crap, not Valve. As for normal removal of games due to licensing or whatever: they're still in your library and you can keep on downloading them. I think it'd require a court order to REMOVE games as theoretically could happen (look at what happened with the Guy Game), and then that becomes a problem with the government, not Valve. Or idiot publishers/developers who put themselves into such a situation, whichever.How does Steam handle this issue?
Given the nature of PC this issue in and of itself literally can not exist, and should it somehow become secure and piracy-proof it'll probably be Microsoft doing this crap, not Valve. As for normal removal of games due to licensing or whatever: they're still in your library and you can keep on downloading them. I think it'd require a court order to REMOVE games as theoretically could happen (look at what happened with the Guy Game), and then that becomes a problem with the government, not Valve. Or idiot publishers/developers who put themselves into such a situation, whichever.
I remember when Amazon took away books from people's kindles (I think it was 1984), they gave people refunds for it.
I don't understand why Sony just doesn't give credit for the games removed. It's the right thing to do. I understand that they needed to remove the games, but they are basically stealing from people.
I remember when Amazon took away books from people's kindles (I think it was 1984), they gave people refunds for it.
It's not jumping to conclusions, Microsoft produces the Windows OS. If anyone's going to have that kind of gate keeper control on PC to block piracy and disable games that can enable it, it will be them. Not unless somehow Macs completely shove out PCs for gaming, then just replace Microsoft with Apple there.nice way of jumping to conclusions no one brought up you horrible fanboy, you.
I remember when Amazon took away books from people's kindles (I think it was 1984), they gave people refunds for it.
Hey, Alex Navarro at Giant Bomb wrote an article about this. Let's take a look!
Haha, what a comedian! It's hilarious when people buy things and then have them taken away without compensation.
Wasn't that on there illegally?
What do you mean illegally? Doesn't Amazon control what they put on for sale?
Hey, Alex Navarro at Giant Bomb wrote an article about this. Let's take a look!
Haha, what a comedian! It's hilarious when people buy things and then have them taken away without compensation.
Wasn't that on there illegally?
Wow. I was expecting someone calling out Sony. But I found this charade. Gaming press is so depressing.Hey, Alex Navarro at Giant Bomb wrote an article about this. Let's take a look!
Haha, what a comedian! It's hilarious when people buy things and then have them taken away without compensation.
The person (company?) who published the ebook didn't actually have the rights to the book.
Amazon settled anyway. I just think that's a bad example.
what property? what precisely did you own? the game's source code? you owned a license to play the game at sony's discretion. sony's discretion is such that nobody should be playing those games because of exploits.
the title of this thread is absolutely laughable.
Wait. Can someone clarify, are Sony removing the actual downloaded software from PSPs/PSVs (a la Amazon 1984)?
Or just removing the item from the store and consequently the ability to redownload?
Hey, Alex Navarro at Giant Bomb wrote an article about this. Let's take a look!
Haha, what a comedian! It's hilarious when people buy things and then have them taken away without compensation.
Wait. Can someone clarify, are Sony removing the actual downloaded software from PSPs/PSVs (a la Amazon 1984)?
Or just removing the item from the store and consequently the ability to redownload?
It's just removed from the PSN store and peoples' download histories. They're not deleting it from your PSP/PSV.
Hmm, I'm not sure I'm fully clear.There are two problems that lead to a clusterfuck:
- Sony updated the DRM on DD PSP that made all your backups useless for Vita and PSP a few months ago
- They removed the title from the store and my DL list
Even if I had downloaded the games right after the DRM change I would have the same problem, since Sony checks back with the DL server when you install the game to a device. The only way to play the DD version of ET and MS:AE right now is on a device that has the game already installed.
I will try to get a refund, again.
Hey, Alex Navarro at Giant Bomb wrote an article about this. Let's take a look!
Haha, what a comedian! It's hilarious when people buy things and then have them taken away without compensation.
What the fuck?
Sony has altered the deal. Pray they do not alter it further.
Then at the risk of being labelled a corporate apologist I don't see anything legally untoward with what they're doing.
For the sake of good will they should offer some recompense, but again, with any of these services I don't think the provider is under obligation to maintain access to download in perpetuity.
Steam, PSN, Amazon etc. could shut down their servers tomorrow, for example, and I can't see any legal recourse for people who want to re-download past purchases.
It's why I'm wary of a DD-only future.
Hmm, I'm not sure I'm fully clear.
You have back-ups of these games and cannot re-install them? Is game back-up an endorsed feature of the PSP - if not then I think you're SoL.
If it is endorsed, then it seems a grey area. Presumably a similar issue may be faced with PC DRMs. And I'm not sure how things fall with regard to those.
I'm not sure whether the bolded is technically all that Sony are required to maintain.
I've never heard of this guy but taking time to actually make fun of this rather than calling out Sony on it is as stupid as useless. Asshole.
Only a Sony deals in absolutes?
The OP could be a full-on, parrot-and-pegleg pirate, it still wouldn't diminsh his actual *point*: This shouldn't happen.I so also shake my head at those down playing the timing of the sudden urge to play these games as if it is not painfully blatant.
Don't confuse the exploit existing (the actions of the original coder of the software) with the exploit being *discovered* (the actions of someone poking into places they're not welcome).I also think that it is stupid that those that call themselves gamers do not get more hostile and angry at those who make these exploits and whatnot at least as equally as they do the companies if not MORE.
Then again, what has prevented them from communicating about it? At least to inform concerned customers. If there's nothing sinister, it's pretty fucking dumb to not be upfront about it.
I remember when Amazon took away books from people's kindles (I think it was 1984), they gave people refunds for it.