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Destructoid's Disgaea PC Article is a Mess | Up: Disable beta branch, issues solved

Smash88

Banned
http://www.destructoid.com/the-pc-port-of-disgaea-is-an-absolute-mess-344192.phtml

Destructoid said:
When the PC port of Tales of Symphonia came out a few weeks ago, some people argued that its poor quality was something we had to tolerate. They argued it was okay to get half-baked, unfinished ports because for some strange reason we need to ‘support the developers’ and ‘prove’ that we actually want their games on PC.

When put into practice, this argument translates to eating any old garbage they slop on our plate in the hopes that one day they might give a damn enough to at least pick off the moldy bits.

Well, I hope you’re opening wide and ready for another course because the ‘enhanced’ PC release of Disgaea is riddled with problems.


Rig: Intel i7-4790k 4GHz 4-core processor, 16GB of RAM (2x Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3), GTX 980. Windows 10 Pro 64-bit.

Before I can even mention the options available, I have to talk about the awful performance problems I experience. In all areas of the game, I was treated to frequent pauses and freezes that would sometimes run into being multiple seconds long.

The mouse would remain active, but anything on-screen would just stop moving. It didn't matter if I was in a menu or in a battle, all inputs would just not be picked up probably 25 percent of the time. You can even see this in the options video below, where the menus would stop responding to the cursor.

The options menus are really, really weak. There're only two small lists of options, and even then navigating through them is a chore because of those responsivity issues. There are no resolution options, instead only the choice between ‘windowed’ and ‘fullscreen,’ and while there are full key and gamepad rebinding options, the menu responsiveness makes it nigh-on impossible to get anything to actually stick.



Disgaea PC is supposed to be an ‘enhanced port’ of 2006’s Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness, which itself was an enhanced port of 2003’s Disgaea: Hour of Darkness. Hilariously, though, the new features that are meant to make it ‘enhanced’ actively make the game worse. The options menu offers depth of field, screen end blur, character filtering, V-Sync, and SSAO, but all of them screw with the game in different ways.

Enabling V-Sync makes the game run at half speed, while disabling it causes massive screen-tearing. The character filter makes all the sprites blurry messes that are impossible to discern. Depth of field is applied poorly and leaves big rectangles of blurriness around every sprite. SSAO causes huge graphical glitches, leaving flickering black lines plastered over the game. And to add insult to injury, the screen end blur just looks plain ugly.

Everything that makes Disgaea PC enhanced on paper simply serves to make it an annoying, borderline unplayable experience.



‘Fortunately,' I managed to screw around with both the game and my PC enough to get a somewhat playable experience with less frequent freezing and minimal graphical errors. To do that, all I had to do was disable all my extra monitors, turn off literally every single program except Steam and Disgaea PC, turn V-Sync and all the extra graphics settings in-game off, and then continuously restart it until the splash screens didn’t show the problem anymore.

Or in other words, things I shouldn’t have to be doing with a port of a ten-year-old PSP game.


Disgaea PC is broken, and I’ve seen enough people with similar press builds across both reddit and YouTube reporting the problems I’ve been experiencing to confirm they’re not unique to me. While that doesn't mean they're necessarily universal problems -- a few people seem to be playing with no issues at all -- it does mean you should take extra caution when buying this game.

This sort of port is, quite frankly, unacceptable and insulting. I really hope people don’t buy it just to make sure the other Disgaea games come to PC, because if they’re all in this state then I don’t want them. Disgaea is, in and of itself, a great game with deep tactical combat and enough content in there to last until doomsday. I was excited to see how it worked on PC, but I’m left coming away with a borderline unplayable, buggy mess.

Such a shame, dood…

Dood me if old.

falkshuffle update:
A lot of performance problems may be related to being on the beta branch.

We've got a whole thread full of people saying that using the Stable client has improved everything for them: http://steamcommunity.com/app/405900/discussions/0/412448158148686380/

If it's untrue, it would have been a monumental effort to get that many people to troll performance gains.

Happened with me with some TF2 update which halved the framerate to many. The temp fix was to opt out of the steam beta client.

I can objectively state that pretty easily. Doubled my framerate where no other method would.
 
Heads-up: I think it's poor form to quote entire articles rather than just a paragraph or two

Anywy

Holy shit, this sounds inexcusably awful. How in the world did this get past QA?? Unbelievable. How can you mess up porting a PS2 game??
 
These issues happening to a broad swathe is unacceptable just as a general principle.

I have this feeling this is one of the issues where the entire porting (and testing) team have relatively uniform hardware and no one bothered to check with (AMD/Intel) or (NVIDIA/AMD) hardware.
 
That someone else had a better experience doesn't mean that the destructoid article is meaningless. Someone had severe problems with the port and that is unlikely to be completely isolated.

There were people who said the Arkham Knight port was fine for them
 
That someone else had a better experience doesn't mean that the destructoid article is meaningless. Someone had severe problems with the port and that is unlikely to be completely isolated.

There were people who said the Arkham Knight port was fine for them

Sure. But usually I would test it on other rigs then. Thats what I would do to see if these are universal issues or not.

Thats what I am used to when I read german gaming mags.
 

TheTrain

Member
I've read the article from Destructoid and I think that this guy have literally no idea of what an horrible port is, frankly it seems that the only real problem is the double buffered VSync [Easy fix] and a limited support for multi monitor setup [Expected?]
All in all, not a bad port at all
 

jj984jj

He's a pretty swell guy in my books anyway.
Didn't Destructoid say the RotTR PC port wasn't good either? I'd wait for more sources. I don't really visit them for analysis personally.
 
Well, two more hours. We'll see if this is an isolated incident or an actual mess.

Also I suppose it's worth noting that according to RPGSite, the game's render resolution is matched to Desktop Resolution, as opposed to being locked resolution. Disappointing and annoying IMO, but probably an easy fix.
 

Jawmuncher

Member
The only thing that seems to be concrete is that it's pretty lame that it doesn't have native xinput support. Using Dinput including the 1, 2, 3, etc buttons. ewww. Hopefully someone can at least mod back the playstation symbols if I have to use dinput.
 
None of that sounds like a broken mess.

It might be bare boned, which no doubt upsets some people. But is not being able to fiddle with the graphics settings a show stopper here?
 
Well, two more hours. We'll see if this is an isolated incident or an actual mess.

Also I suppose it's worth noting that according to RPGSite, the game's render resolution is matched to Desktop Resolution, as opposed to being locked resolution. Disappointing and annoying IMO, but probably an easy fix.

Its their first "port" (excluding Cladun), so I hope they can see the issues and for the next port fix those.
 

TheTrain

Member
None of that sounds like a broken mess.

It might be bare boned, which no doubt upsets some people. But is not being able to fiddle with the graphics settings a show stopper here?

Mouse not working on the menu, first world problem
Only Zestiria have proper mouse control in it, unfortunately it's a common, and minor honestly, issue with Japan games on PC
 

Breakbeat

Banned
I have a feeling that this slew of bad Japanese PC ports are gonna result in low sales and will cancel out a lot of the momentum in the Japanese movement to port more of their console games to PC :(
 

Durante

Member
ToS had inherent issues, most of the stuff that article complains about could feasibly be individual setup problems.

I wouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater without either more distinct impressions or a more detailed technical analysis.

(You can read the above sentence alternatively as "I only trust myself" :p)
 

Mifec

Member
Mouse not working on the menu, first world problem
Only Zestiria have proper mouse control in it, unfortunately it's a common, and minor honestly, issue with Japan games on PC

it's an annoying issue that shouldn't be present in 2016 .
 
IFIs first port had some issues as well and they learned quickly. Let's hope NISA follows their model instead of Bamco or Koei.
 
ToS had inherent issues, most of the stuff that article complains about could feasibly be individual setup problems.

I wouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater without either more distinct impressions or a more detailed technical analysis.

(You can read the above sentence alternatively as "I only trust myself" :p)

Agreed. There's more to a setup than just listing his a few specs.

The fact that he had to "close all apps except Steam and Disgaea" suggests the presence of bloatware running in the background, perhaps registry issues and some serious HDD fragmentation as well. And without any sources cited, I'm going to have to utterly ignore him saying he's got reports of others having issues.
 

Zelias

Banned
Hm, really hope this is being overstated. Disgaea is one series I really want to succeed on PC and shitty ports will not help with that. But we'll see, I guess.
 
It will be a massive shame if this port is bad, but I'm still praying that this article might be based on an outdated build or some other excuse.

I really do want to support every single Japanese devs on PC as I can, I've bought Disgaea PC, Danganronpa: THH and will purchase Final Fantasy IX the second it is available for purchase from Steam this month alone.

C'mon NIS/NISA, even if there are problems present, tell me there's hope you'll take any and all feedback and look to clean this up....otherwise :(
 

Nillansan

Member
Honestly, I feel like OP should have held off creating this thread as we have conflicting reports and the game is coming in two hours or so.
 
Agreed. There's more to a setup than just listing his a few specs.

The fact that he had to "close all apps except Steam and Disgaea" suggests the presence of bloatware running in the background, perhaps registry issues and some serious HDD fragmentation as well. And without any sources cited, I'm going to have to utterly ignore him saying he's got reports of others having issues.

Hdd fragmentation? Maybe he needs to fix his memmaker config too.

I wouldn't ignore the report as such, But yes it does sound a bit dubious. Hopefully the game bit is solid.
 
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