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Develop - PS4 - 26 developers speak
- Thread starter M.D
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At this point we shouldn´t listen to Gearbox, regardless what they are saying.
The developer who cried "wolf!"
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Exactly. Things can change from reveal to release so let the released games themselves be the judge.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
iceatcs
Junior Member
Yeah maybe. They do sound bitter maybe because they are worry about the next xbox will not up to PS4 level.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
I would assume the same for the same reasons, but I'm gonna read it anyway
Also it did not happen this generation, development was slanted to 360 and not PS3.
Dead Prince
Banned
it's alright. ubi got 1000 people working on their next AC
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
Banned
Site is down. This is the biggest screw-up since Sim-City. PS4 is probably doomed now.
NM, the site must've just been busy. PS4 == NextGen Champ.
NM, the site must've just been busy. PS4 == NextGen Champ.
SolidSnakex
Member
Developers went into games wanting them to be at parity. That was mentioned by devs in several interviews earlier on this gen. It's just that the PS3's design was so weird that it caused issues with that.
BlockheadBrown
Member
As a whole, it's encouraging to read. That said, we're still left waiting to hear more from Microsoft. If the 720 has backwards compatibility, I'm sure I'll get both eventually. If not, the bigger question will be if there'd be enough reason to get the 720 in addition to the PS4.
Please refrain from posting stupidity. If you read my post as something else you would be wrong.
Yeah lets have an event to the world going into detail what they are accomplishing then downgrade the specs already shipping in the latest dev kits. Stop comparing stuff from 7 years ago and that post you quoted isn't helping you.
I'm more worried that if microsofts system is gimped enough that it will hurt the other platforms(PC/ps4) in other ways. Perhaps limiting gameplay and design choices in certain ways because 720's architecture is holding them back. Similar to how some developers felt toward the HD twins toward the latter part of this generation.
Therefore just by sheer existence and expected market share of 720 nullifying some of the strengths Sony's system could bring to the table for multiplatform titles because the lower common denominator needs to run almost identical to its other console counterpart in order to not hurt sales too bad.
Nothing changed (besides the number of USB/Ethernet ports). The problem with the false advertising was purely on Nvidia, for pulling an Apple on calculating the flop count. This time it's different since AMD are making the parts for both consoles, and historically AMD have a more accurate calculation of flops etc.
amstradcpc
Member
So, Xbox 360 was x86...and this "developer" ( these are mainly IOs developers, right? ) is making opinions on new hardware...interesting...
Betrayer of hope
Banned
While devs are praising sony for making a glorified PC in a box, sony in the process has lost what made them unique. They are no longer a hardware innovator in the gaming industry. They have essentially become a me too. No individuality no sense of uniqueness. All died when ken was kicked out by the welsh idiot.
It's going to be ironic when MS a software company shows more risk and uniqueness when it comes to designing their next generation console.
It's going to be ironic when MS a software company shows more risk and uniqueness when it comes to designing their next generation console.
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Really all that needs to be said to completely abuse your point.
amstradcpc
Member
Yeah, Valve could have launched a console like PS4 with the Steambox sticker and call it a day. All these years getting experience in designing hardware seem to have been futile. All that Sony and Toshiba chip expertise... no doubt Kojima is not excited with PS4. No japanese tech pride in it.
H_Prestige
Banned
Yeah, I'm sure gamers are chomping at the bit for that next gen Kinect.
So the hardware is not exciting because it doesn't have some crazy, custom designed CPU that ultimately performs no better than the cheaper stock solution?
Just like with tablets, computers, and smartphones, there's A LOT more to hardware than the processors.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Every system is going to be compared to the one before it. Deal with it.
We should go back to the summer of 2005 and see how pre-launch developer comments matched their actual output but that would be another thread.
amstradcpc
Member
Cell could have been improved and smoked all those CUs for computing. Remember, Cell could decode 48 MPEG-2 Streams while the UVD unit inside the PS4 can decode...2.The problem was the ridiculous RSX. SPUs are the best computing processors in the world. All that is now wasted...
SneakyStephan
Banned
Regardless of what platform or how good or bad it is, these early impressions are just PR and/or plugs for their own games.
They have been every single gen and they have no value.
Anyone remember all the big talk about emotion engine or ps3 graphics or 32 bit before that? Remember kojima boasting about how amazing the ps3 was gona be? While a few years later he expressed displeasure about that same hardware?
Devs praise the wii to high heavens when it turned out successful, if it had failed they would have bashed it in hindsight.
A year ago devs said there is no need for faster hardware, this year those same devs showed demos at the ps4 announcement and express their excitement about better graphics...
It's always 1 'o clock in these interviews, regardless of what the time is.
They have been every single gen and they have no value.
Anyone remember all the big talk about emotion engine or ps3 graphics or 32 bit before that? Remember kojima boasting about how amazing the ps3 was gona be? While a few years later he expressed displeasure about that same hardware?
Devs praise the wii to high heavens when it turned out successful, if it had failed they would have bashed it in hindsight.
A year ago devs said there is no need for faster hardware, this year those same devs showed demos at the ps4 announcement and express their excitement about better graphics...
It's always 1 'o clock in these interviews, regardless of what the time is.
H_Prestige
Banned
Sony would have to foot the bill developing this new CELL. IBM is no longer continuing with that line.
None of that matters if it costs devs tonnes of extra time and money to master. That's essentially the heart of why Sony has gone a different direction this time. With the PS1/PS2 it was different, since they had a huge stranglehold over the market by sales numbers and install base. They could not have afforded to go exotic again, imo it would have been a hugely detrimental move giving Microsoft further levy with third party developers. I think the direction they've gone is the sensible one, and nearly every dev that's spoken on the matter seems to agree.
I wouldn't discount the potential for improvements either, since Sony are allowing devs to code to the metal, away from the typical API's, so you should still see some good improvements even a few years in. Especially from the first party devs who routinely get stuck in to such things.
amstradcpc
Member
SPUs were a Toshiba thing. IBM only offered the shitty PPU.
amstradcpc
Member
The SPURs engine is attached to x86 CPUs and support x86 instructions that the low level API convert to the SPU own ISA. Difficulty in this case is gone. But is cheaper to go with a tablet cpu inside the gpu.
And we must give thanks to Sony ( or better to SWW studios ) they ditched their initial plan of going with a 6670 gpu.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
E3 is going to be exciting, never been excited for E3 in years !
4 things I've taken from this.
1. Easy to port/apply (from an x86 perspective not a console to console) leaving more time/room for creativity/tweaks.
2. Indie Love. One side comes from Sony's embrace other from bitterness of bad dealings with Microsoft in the past.
3. Ram Ram Ram.
4. Parity, mostly stated by posters here.
My biggest issue and I hope this dies next gen, is parity. No one wanted parity except MS who was trying to get a foothold early this gen and not be left behind like they were the last gen and publishers going cheap by making the same game 3 times (PC/Mac, 360, PS3). I'd rather see one game get 3 different approaches based on each consoles strengths/limitations and PC full out features.
I never undestood why some gamers stated they get a platform for the third party games and then get multiple consoles and a pc.
I just think that less parity brings forth more ideas and approaches for each game per platform. For instance Unreal Tournament 3 w/ strong XBL features on 360 and w/ mod support on the PS3. I may want to double dip just to try each platforms features. (Editted: for a better example)
Without parity we could have had some great third party PS3 titles with less issues (think of the add ons developers could have added like screengrabs, music, game invites that sony left up to the developers) and some better 360 titles that were less pc generic copies had it not been for "Parity"
I believe in standards but not parity.
As far as cost being an issue, more money is spent making more games that no one wants than spending time on making one game really great. Just an opinion.
1. Easy to port/apply (from an x86 perspective not a console to console) leaving more time/room for creativity/tweaks.
2. Indie Love. One side comes from Sony's embrace other from bitterness of bad dealings with Microsoft in the past.
3. Ram Ram Ram.
4. Parity, mostly stated by posters here.
My biggest issue and I hope this dies next gen, is parity. No one wanted parity except MS who was trying to get a foothold early this gen and not be left behind like they were the last gen and publishers going cheap by making the same game 3 times (PC/Mac, 360, PS3). I'd rather see one game get 3 different approaches based on each consoles strengths/limitations and PC full out features.
I never undestood why some gamers stated they get a platform for the third party games and then get multiple consoles and a pc.
I just think that less parity brings forth more ideas and approaches for each game per platform. For instance Unreal Tournament 3 w/ strong XBL features on 360 and w/ mod support on the PS3. I may want to double dip just to try each platforms features. (Editted: for a better example)
Without parity we could have had some great third party PS3 titles with less issues (think of the add ons developers could have added like screengrabs, music, game invites that sony left up to the developers) and some better 360 titles that were less pc generic copies had it not been for "Parity"
I believe in standards but not parity.
As far as cost being an issue, more money is spent making more games that no one wants than spending time on making one game really great. Just an opinion.
How was the PPU shitty?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It's still a bummer... they won't be as good as they could have been if the 720 was up to snuff (assuming all these spec rumors are true and it's running DDR3). Only saving grace is that Sony has such a great 1st-party division that we'll see what the machine can really do from them.
This guy is delusional.
Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to basically go, "LOL Didn't read!"
We've already had a thread about this exact topic. He's not.
Dead Prince
Banned
there's a joke somewhere in there.
This was the same studio that said if Sony wanted Borderlands 2 for the Vita, they would have to pay Gearbox to get the license and Sony would have to make the game themselves. I don't think anyone is paying attention to them.
Isn't it also the same studio that completely screwed Sega recently with the whole Aliens development out sourcing and financial leeching?
Melchiah
Member
Seems to be a lot of indie love among those quotes. Hopefully that'll result with a lot of innovative indie games on the system.
I couldn't agree more. Revealing all their cards too early would only benefit the competitor, who could then one-up them easily in their own event.
And I hope this comes true.
I couldn't agree more. Revealing all their cards too early would only benefit the competitor, who could then one-up them easily in their own event.
And I hope this comes true.
I only hope they allow me to change to another HDD
constantly downloading demos and games plus updates PS+ games i think im gonna need 1TB at least
Geomerics has done a bit about the PS4 capabilities.
http://www.3dartistonline.com/news/2013/03/ps4-graphics-raising-the-bar/
Not very deep and focuses worryingly much on the filmic stuff. But, whatever... they're excited.
Geomerics is the company behind BF3's lighting engine, among others.
http://www.3dartistonline.com/news/2013/03/ps4-graphics-raising-the-bar/
Not very deep and focuses worryingly much on the filmic stuff. But, whatever... they're excited.
Geomerics is the company behind BF3's lighting engine, among others.
Welcome to capitalism. If you grow your studio too quickly and take on too much risk that's what happens.
How many small/indie houses have closed up after one "flop"? Its only studios/publishers trying to shortcut their way into the AAA realm that has killed companies.
That's equivalent to a bunch of film school graduates getting together and trying to turn out The Avengers. What else is to be expected?
As one of the quoted developers said, the industry has shaped itself into tiers now. Sony's business model seemingly supports this with it's strong indie/small studio focus. If you want to make new, exciting content on the PS4 you aren't locked into a farm of expensive development kits or tying yourself to a big publisher's demands on what your games should look like now. That is entirely your own gamble to take.
