Panajev2001a
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So if they need to build for XSS the bigger consoles have less of a problem as they get pushed less hard, well tell people something they do not know
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Developers hate Series S
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Codeblew
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I mean, they could have put in an extra 8 hour shift at McDonalds to upgrade to an XSX.
SkylineRKR
Member
This is becoming less and less the case with cross platform being phased out. Meanwhile Xbox is stuck with S for like the entirety of this gen. They can drop Xbox One internally, as we've seen with some games like Flight Sim and the upcoming Starfield, but they can't drop XSS ever this gen.
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BlackTron
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Xbox isn't telling you to go fuck yourself if you're poor, they are working double time for you. They set up their model to become last/crossgen game land, and now they are bending rules to try and squeeze a real next gen game from PS5 onto Series S.
Maybe MS thought they would be SO successful, the whole industry would need to accept having games dragged down for a whole gen just to have titles on Xbox.
Games on Series S aren't going to get any worse. We should be happy games on other consoles will be allowed to be better without being affected by it.
To be fair MS did kinda tell you to go f yourself at the start of the gen when they blatantly lied about what the S could do. But we shouldn't have an entire long gen defined by S just for that. It was a mass produced affordable COVID crossgen box masquerading as a next gen system.
"MS lied to me and now all gamers with more money than me need to have complete parity with my experience for the whole gen" sorry no.
The difference between S/X and Switch portable/dock modes is that Nintendo never pretended anything, it's not a different sku, and X has to compete with a home console of the same price so it has the same perceived value. But that value isn't there when only one has pure next gen exclusives because the other one has to also target little brother mode.
They should have gone for a single sku for a healthier ecosystem and let people play Xbox One until they can afford it. It's what Sony did and why they are successful.
DeltaPolarBear
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The most simple explanation is that PS4 has about the same amount of RAM as Series S. So if you make cross-gen games then the RAM would not be a big problem. But people are not making cross gen games anymore and that means things change from now on.
Hudo
Member
Stop talking sense! These are the console wars, soldier. Get your hyperboles out immediately! Back to the front with you.
I fundamentally never understood this strategy.
We’ve struggled through a generation where despite some fundamental spec weaknesses developers have pulled off amazing things.
Everybody - devs and gamers - were hungry for a much higher spec that could deliver fundamental improvements (like the SSDs clearly have) as well as the usual large increase in overall power.
So why settle on a reasonably strong spec within the constraints of being a console (like price) and then say “ok now let’s bork it by making a bonked-on-the-head version”?
We’ve struggled through a generation where despite some fundamental spec weaknesses developers have pulled off amazing things.
Everybody - devs and gamers - were hungry for a much higher spec that could deliver fundamental improvements (like the SSDs clearly have) as well as the usual large increase in overall power.
So why settle on a reasonably strong spec within the constraints of being a console (like price) and then say “ok now let’s bork it by making a bonked-on-the-head version”?
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Neofire
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This lol
StealthGoblin
Banned
Doesn’t it run at a PS2 era resolution on Series S?
BlackTron
Member
Reading the marketplace for instant gratification, short-term thinking with no plan for long-term success other than "see what happens and wing it".
Sony took a beating near the start of the gen with supply shortages and slow ramp-up of next-gen games to qualify the higher standard. They smartly invested in winning the generation while Xbox bragged about how many crossgen boxes they could supply during Covid.
Edit: These are the kind of game business understanding and tactics that make Sony and Nintendo veteran behemoth's and MS wannabe's that gotta buy their way out.
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FunkMiller
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The issue is that there's nothing really wrong with owning a cheaper, weaker console, but that has to come with compromises.
So far though, the people being compromised are the ones with the more expensive machine, and that shouldn't be how it works.
MS should have been more honest about what buying a Series S would mean for the consumer. They weren't. They lied and said there would be no compromises - and they've hamstrung the better machine instead of admitting they were lying.
Glad this is starting to change.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Well, the others run at PS3 resolution, so it's not exactly a dunk. Series S runs the game the smoothest out of all 3.
they wanted lowest price point without eating the cost
look at their already abysmal sales figures and imagine where they would be with just selling a $500 console
squarealex
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Anyone know why Fort Solid is not on Xbox Series? (Announced at Gamescom night, only on PS5/PC) No sign of deal exclusivity with Sony...
Series S fault?
I feel they are more and more game will be release first on PC/PS5. (and PS5 globales sales will be unstoppable with Spider-Man 2, which is comforting some devs to work only one PS5/PC).
Series S fault?
I feel they are more and more game will be release first on PC/PS5. (and PS5 globales sales will be unstoppable with Spider-Man 2, which is comforting some devs to work only one PS5/PC).
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Panajev2001a
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You have seen the visual quality too right
?StealthGoblin
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The whole thing is a awful with the Series S the worst of the bunch. You can optimise for a better framerate, which I assume will happen with the XSX and PS5, but I doubt you’ll see a resolution boost on the Series S.
The whole game is a technical dump though. Crikey.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You have seen the visual quality too right
Yes, but for performance purists, it's probably the best console version.
But I digress, Unreal 5 is an engine which supports all the way down to Switch, so making games work on different hardware using those would be easier to manage than if a game is using a bespoke engine.
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Black_Stride
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That one 3 hour long game?Anyone know why Fort Solid is not on Xbox Series? (Announced at Gamescom night, only on PS5/PC) No sign of deal exclusivity with Sony...
Series S fault?
I feel they are more and more game will be release first on PC/PS5. (and PS5 globales sales will be unstoppable with Spider-Man 2, which is comforting some devs to work only one PS5/PC).
They are a very small dev studio and had to decide where to prioritize, so they decided on PS5/Mac/PC.
Xbox version is coming later.
It has nothing to do with the Series S.
MasterCornholio
Member
Looking at what the developers said that could very well be the case.
Basically larger install base > smaller install base
Also it probably takes them longer to develop for two consoles than just one so there's probably that as well.
As for difficulties with the Series S we really don't know anything about that coming from them. Maybe they have issues Maybe they don't it depends on what they are trying to do with the game.
laynelane
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I've seen the idea floated around that S owners are somehow at fault for buying the system. They should have somehow, magically known MS' marketing was bullshit. One of the worst takes thus far. It will be interesting to see if there is any push back on this from customers. There really should be.
Sleepwalker
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Poor people cannot afford $300 + games + extra controller (if 2 kids) + gamepass sub.
I know this, I used to be one. Poor people will get a last gen console from FB marketplace for $100 if anything, or tell their kids to suck it up and play with their old toys.
I know this, I used to be one. Poor people will get a last gen console from FB marketplace for $100 if anything, or tell their kids to suck it up and play with their old toys.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Publishers don't give a fuck as long as they sell games, so better man up and do the job you're being paid for, if it's a problem for the industry people and publishers will skip it, but seems not to be the case:
https://tech4gamers.com/xbox-series-x-1000-increase-sales-starfield
https://tech4gamers.com/xbox-series-x-1000-increase-sales-starfield
Audiophile
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As I alluded to in my prior mockup, they should have knocked a teraflop off the XSX with a smaller, cheaper die but with a faster clock and subsequent faster front end. Then add a teraflop or so on to the XSS. It'd have been cheaper and easier to get an extra teraflop on the XSS rather than the XSX. Then just bump the memory and bandwidth a little on the XSS. This way the gulf is smaller and the overall cost across both systems probably would have been cheaper.
So the ss will make other consoles useless?
This.
I swear some ppl are really being obtuse.You have seen the visual quality too right
I mean...if the PS5 and XSX had as many cutbacks as the Series S...they too would be smoother.
MasterCornholio
Member
I just hope nobody believes the Series S is more powerful than the XSX and the PS5. Even if the FPS is a little better you need to question what sacrifices the devs made to get there. And in almost all situations (that I know of) the Series S makes serious cutbacks when compared to the PS5 and XSX versions.
Damn! Too bad we can give a double like,the image is hilarious and triggering at the same time.
Audiophile
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I hear there's an extra 2GB of HBM4 in the XSS power brick, Phil's just waiting to hit the remote activation.
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Kataploom
Gold Member
In Colombia the remaining $200 for Series X is like 3 weeks of works for minimum wage
Sleepwalker
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In Colombia the Series S costs more than the minimum monthly wage.
ShadyAcshuns
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The hate from console gamers is strange, especially the ones who don't own one. I don't generally see PC gamers hating each other over differences in hardware (maybe they do, but I don't usually go into tech spec threads).
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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Kataploom
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He means gaming on computer... And TBF specifically said "PC"
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supernova8
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I called it ages ago.
Microsoft seems to have made the mistake of assuming that developers/publishers would be so desperate to put their games on Xbox that they would go along with Microsoft's parity policy.
Apparently at least some would rather forego Xbox altogether than spend time scaling their game down to Series S.
What I won't tolerate is Microsoft officially allowing developers to skip on features on the Series S version.
As a Series S owner, here are Microsoft's options:
1) throw everything (spare engineering resources-wise) you have at the problem to make it all work
2) end the parity requirement but release a digital-only Series X power equivalent and offer a free trade-in for Series S owners
3) end the parity requirement but leave Series S owners in the cold
Picking option 3 means that I immediately sell my Series S. Simple as that.
Bottom line is the whole "oh come on Series S is obviously too weak and holding the generation back" argument means nothing. Microsoft promised parity and marketed Series S as being in the same generation as the Series X. They explicitly said that all games would be on Series S and would be feature complete, only running at lower resolution and/or framerate (I can accept that bit).
They can't just turn around a few years and be like:
without consumers voting with their wallets and telling Microsoft to get fucked.
Microsoft seems to have made the mistake of assuming that developers/publishers would be so desperate to put their games on Xbox that they would go along with Microsoft's parity policy.
Apparently at least some would rather forego Xbox altogether than spend time scaling their game down to Series S.
What I won't tolerate is Microsoft officially allowing developers to skip on features on the Series S version.
As a Series S owner, here are Microsoft's options:
1) throw everything (spare engineering resources-wise) you have at the problem to make it all work
2) end the parity requirement but release a digital-only Series X power equivalent and offer a free trade-in for Series S owners
3) end the parity requirement but leave Series S owners in the cold
Picking option 3 means that I immediately sell my Series S. Simple as that.
Bottom line is the whole "oh come on Series S is obviously too weak and holding the generation back" argument means nothing. Microsoft promised parity and marketed Series S as being in the same generation as the Series X. They explicitly said that all games would be on Series S and would be feature complete, only running at lower resolution and/or framerate (I can accept that bit).
They can't just turn around a few years and be like:
without consumers voting with their wallets and telling Microsoft to get fucked.
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digdug2
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I'm not a console hardware engineer, so maybe my take isn't feasible or accurate. But looking at this from a layman's perspective, they should have, at the very least, made the XSS noticeably more powerful than the One X.
They could have kept the CPU and SSD the same as it is currently, but they should have boosted the graphics and RAM to at least the same performance of the One X. 6TF with the new RDNA capabilities and 12GB of GDDR6 would have absolutely made a difference.
They could have kept the CPU and SSD the same as it is currently, but they should have boosted the graphics and RAM to at least the same performance of the One X. 6TF with the new RDNA capabilities and 12GB of GDDR6 would have absolutely made a difference.
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FunkMiller
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...or... you know... just make a single next generation games console, with enough exclusive games to showcase its power, and draw in consumers.
Silly concept in 2023, I guess.
Sleepwalker
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Is that a skin you applied or found it online? Looks awesome either way.
twilo99
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digdug2
Member
There is also that. There's no more chip shortage now like there was when these consoles were released, so it should definitely be doable.
nosoynadie22
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It is so beautiful
hououinkyouma00
Member
Lol what? As somebody else said as well try bringing up Mac and you'll see the same amount of people that shit on other consoles shit on Macs (and iPhones/iPad as well) and it's the same when PCMR constantly shits on consoles like their existence killed their dog and how everybody that makes a decision that doesn't match theirs is a fucking retard. This happens with every single topic, it's not just a PS/XB thing.
Also look at how many people deepthroat Nvidia and shit on AMD. They willingly get fucked in the ass and keep going back for more.
twilo99
Member
I was hoping it will curb the hatred around here a bit lol
Of course, lipstick on a pig is a likely comment here
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ShadyAcshuns
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No thank you. As I said, I don't care for those kinds of threads in general.
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