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DF : Hands-on with Rise of the Tomb Raider
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Then there's no inherent waiting as a possibility. If they don't have XBO or don't plan to get it, then there's no waiting to be done.
Saying they will wait implies they have a choice of not waiting, which implies they have an XBO.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Just watched that tomb trailer again where you see Lara in that small space with scorpions and the tomb itself. It all looks pretty nice, the lighting too. Definitely did not remind me of DE, but this new footage absolutely does. Is that thanks to the same engine and/or cross gen?
Yeah, that's why I was a bit negative here. I thought the game looked amazing previously but...this new area is just so bland. It really felt like a step back. Not a huge upgrade over DE (just this area).
It really took me by surprise!
Dictator93
Member
I think the reason why the new area looks so visually underwhelming (and hence why the flaws in rendering become that much more apparent) is because it takes place primarily in shadow. And the only way the game procudes variations in ambient colour and shadow in such moments is through things which cannot do it so well: screen space AO, point lights, and a flat ambient IBL probably (just a hunch). It just lacks realistic indirect lighting and variation IMO.
Unless games have icredible GI solutions, most areas that are out of direct lighting will look flat. And even then, most games cannot do that dynamically... so dynamic objects wills tick out in the scenes like sore thumbs.
That cave scenario on the other hand has tons of shadow and light play and it shows off their cool volumetric lighting: a much more conducive environment to hide the downsides of real time rendering.
Unless games have icredible GI solutions, most areas that are out of direct lighting will look flat. And even then, most games cannot do that dynamically... so dynamic objects wills tick out in the scenes like sore thumbs.
That cave scenario on the other hand has tons of shadow and light play and it shows off their cool volumetric lighting: a much more conducive environment to hide the downsides of real time rendering.
Fredrik
Member
Problem is, lots of people played TR2013 Definitive Edition running at ~55fps. Sorry to say this but 30fps alone is a big letdown for many of us. :/
But I'll be there day 1 anyway
Problem is, lots of people played TR2013 Definitive Edition running at ~55fps. Sorry to say this but 30fps alone is a big letdown for many of us. :/
But I'll be there day 1 anyway
Is it? I mean variable framerate over a mostly locked gameplay?
Myself, I don't mind a variable framerate as long as it's high enough. To me a "consistent" 30fps is not good, I'd rather have a framerate fluctuating between 50-60fps.
Fredrik
Member
I'd say that a variable framerate above 50fps is perfectly okay, I'd even say that it will make 30fps look like a stuttery mess in comparison even if it's locked, the difference is simply too big.
But like I said, it's still a day 1 title for me so don't take me the wrong way here, just trying to explain the framerate complaints, and just to be clear, the same thing will happen after playing 60fps Nathan Drake Collection, going from 60 back to 30 fps is never a pleasant transition.
Again?
19 Seconds into the video:
...oh, c'mon.
At least they changed from "secret" to "challenge". But this raises a few red flags for me just how much the game has changed and expanded.
Having now played both versions thanks to GwG, in the case of Tomb Raider DE, without a shadow of a doubt.
Any info about any story related tomb or all of them are optional?
I highly doubt that, it will look good but not the best. Besides shit like The Order already came out.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Battlefield Hardline will be hard to top!
From what I've seen so far. No.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Oh yeah that came out.
Dreadx_Jecht
Banned
Here's hoping they get the frame rate up the par and that the ps4/pc versions aren't half-assed ports.
You can't afford to release half-assed ports that much later. PC and PS4 versions will most certainly contain visual improvements, and the PS4 version will include all the DLC content when it releases.
How is it off topic, it's about a game that will one day be on all 3 consoles
johnnydrama
Banned
i kinda wish the game was ps4 and pc exclusive, the xbox one seems to hold the game back
I kinda wish the game was a PC exclusive. Consoles seem to hold the game back.
C'mon, man!
i kinda wish the game was ps4 and pc exclusive, the xbox one seems to hold the game back
Seriously? Game looks amazing i dont know why people complain so much with some minor things.
johnnydrama
Banned
It does look fantastic. I get that some people might not be pleased with the technical aspects, but despite owning a fairly powerful PC, I'm gonna get this day one on Xbox. I fucking loved the first one, and the previews for this one have been great so far. Can't wait.
By the way, why is the preview thread so dead? Game's gotten some positive early impressions.
Just some minor things that might be fixed yet and people complain loud and clear, dont get it...
icecold1983
Member
...Scatter...
Banned
Yeah, I'm not waiting a year for higher rez shadows. Game looks good - will buy.
MadClacker
Member
How about instead of telling us "OPTIONAL CHALLENGE TOMB NEARBY" you just let us find it by accident thru good level design? JUZ SAYIN'
Nothing kills immersion more than popup notifications, intrusive HUD, and "+10 HEADSHOT" all over the place. And considering this series used to be all about exploration, sense of wonder, and immersion, it blows my mind how this could be the direction they decide to go toward.
...Oh I forgot, we're all stupid and need to be shown absolutely everything because you don't trust us to want to explore the world environment you've gone out of your way to fill with detail. LET US EXPLORE. Stop telling us what's around the next corner. Just leave us alone to experience the game.
Nothing kills immersion more than popup notifications, intrusive HUD, and "+10 HEADSHOT" all over the place. And considering this series used to be all about exploration, sense of wonder, and immersion, it blows my mind how this could be the direction they decide to go toward.
...Oh I forgot, we're all stupid and need to be shown absolutely everything because you don't trust us to want to explore the world environment you've gone out of your way to fill with detail. LET US EXPLORE. Stop telling us what's around the next corner. Just leave us alone to experience the game.
Hopefully it is an option to turn that shit off.
You have a point about people liking being led by the hand though, I mean look at some of the complaints about MGSV and people not finding out how to fast travel because you have to discover it on your own.
No.
PC - 6 months after
PS4 - 1 year after
...Scatter...
Banned
Did you play 2013 DE? It was the same. And it was good.
Yes it's shitty posting, but it's the reality of this game now on Gaf. Most bought a PS4 only, and they wanted this game, and since it's coming a year late, that's going to be 90 percent of the posts. It'll calm down after a few days, or until the mods decide it's no longer relevant to the conversation and take action.
What makes you think only shadows will be improved on PS4 ? Or was it just a lame drive-by ?
Considering the Xbone version is 1080p this gives the PS4 quite a bit of headroom for visual enhancements of various kinds. I expect some of the stuff they have in the pipeline for the PC will also make their way on PS4.
If the Xbone build runs at 40-45fps average then it's possible the DE situation will repeat : 50-60fps on PS4.
Now this is complete crap.
Oh, so you've highlighted the issue when AF problems have been present in games previously?
I'm expecting this too tbh.
MadClacker
Member
I assume you're referring to the Definitive Edition of TR'13. Don't get me started on that game. It played good, but that was it. It was an above average dime a dozen third person shooter. Nothing more. Poorly written, poorly directed, redundant gameplay mechanics, predictable QTEs, tacked on multiplayer, hand holding narrative. This is barely touching the surface.
A significant portion of Rise of the Tomb Raider comments in new threads is "I'll get this when it comes to PS4/PC". Is that crap?
It is complete bullshit to say those comments make up 90% of the threads, yes.
This thread seems to have more posts whining about people saying they'll get the game on PS4/PC than people actually saying that though :/